The Daly Cherrygraph

[jbb/james]

Ditto bud… I feel like we may have had this conversation once or twice before 😁

and probably again if he is here for 3 more

😉

 

[Woodsie]

Mike Eden? Sure. There have been others too. Here's a few others that come straight to mind Jared waerea-hargreaves, Jack Elsegood, Ivan Cleary, etc, etc. I think the point Woodsie was making was that both Bozo and Fatty, just like DCE now, were former Manly captains.

More to the point that they didn't tarnish their reputations as Manly legends by doing so ...

 

[frank stokes]

Yep and with Thompson in bound for 26, Pahulu this year if they pull it off, there adding quality to their roster. I’d be happy to see us adding players of that caliber to our roster and while our roster may have improved, it is no way improving inline with the Dogs.

Ciraldo knows the Riffs blue print and with Gus they are building a side to play that competitive, grinding, up tempo footy. I can seem them continuing to move away from us in terms of becoming a top 4 side with a genuine shot at a premiership in the not to distant future, sadly I can’t say the same for us.

Thompson is a big in but I don’t think they are THAT much better off than us…
They have a more youthful and mobile forward pack but King is similar to Paseka in impact and Thompson will essentially be their Guac…
Crichton is world-class and they have a much better 9 than us…

We have a much better fullback and I would take our halves combination any day… personally I reckon (Crichton aside) our outside backs are better (although Garrick is out of position)…

what we really need is a couple of Preston / Weak-gutted-dog style forwards that are smart / mobile and defend well… I have really been hoping that Burbo and maybe the duck would step-up but that is yet to happen so maybe MCK or even a modified Talau could be options…

I think we have the bones of a very good side and a bit of fine-tuning will see us being top-4 or better…

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I’ve thought about it and my arm’s well and truly cocked with the mother of all piggy banks…if we let him walk over an additional year because of a number on a birth certificate, we are idiots.

Souths played hardball with Reynolds and he played in a GF, whilst Souths missed the 8, eventually lost their coach and narrowly avoided the spoon. If he plays like a million dollar half, pay him to do so.

Zero issues for me , we can throw the bank at him if you like , but remember , if we do that , there can be no whinges about not buying superstars to fill in our shortcomings.

By the way this applies to Turbo / Jurbo as well , when their contracts come up we need to be sharper as well.

Personally I think Daly will want to stay at Manly , he may well have a future on coaching , and you can bet he’ll have a future at Fox Sports plus he loves living on the beaches.

But , if another team offered him 3 million for two years 🤷🤷🤷🤷

 

[Sheikheagle]

Thompson is a big in but I don’t think they are THAT much better off than us…
They have a more youthful and mobile forward pack but King is similar to Paseka in impact and Thompson will essentially be their Guac…
Crichton is world-class and they have a much better 9 than us…

We have a much better fullback and I would take our halves combination any day… personally I reckon (Crichton aside) our outside backs are better (although Garrick is out of position)…

what we really need is a couple of Preston / Weak-gutted-dog style forwards that are smart / mobile and defend well… I have really been hoping that Burbo and maybe the duck would step-up but that is yet to happen so maybe MCK or even a modified Talau could be options…

I think we have the bones of a very good side and a bit of fine-tuning will see us being top-4 or better…

Preston is a good player. They hurt, local juniors playing elsewhere in a position we are a little weak in.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Under Seibold
This player ( See photo Below) he was on a minimum contract and was performing accordingly
Now Under a Superior coach he is now a dominant player in his Match Winning contributions in an understrength team that is missing players like their inspirational captain Murray and their Match Winning Fullback Latrell . In his teams first win he set up their winning try and in his teams second win he kicked a pressure winning field goal .

This Talented and Valuable Utility player is equally at home in the halves and hooker and also played at lock with distinction in the trials

But What does our Head coach Seibold do ?
He sees better value in the Warriors discard Jazz Tevaga and rewards him a top 30 spot instead of
The player below
Head coaches play a role on what players they pick in their team and how they play the game
This is why they are accountable for their teams results

Jamie Humphreys Souths Bargain Buy Match Winner
His New Head coach is getting better Value out of him
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I find myself agreeing with Bozo.

What’s going on?

 

[MW66]

The Humphreys decision is a bit of a head scratcher. As per Bozo's post he can cover a number of positions and I think should have been valued in front of Arthur, Wakeham, Matterson, Simpkin, Waddell (maybe Tevaga). I didn't like it at eh time and I like it less now.

Similarly, Kaeo Weekes. I understand they had to make some decisions and we already had Turbo, Koula to cover his positions however he was always picked for junior NSW rep teams so his class was evident. Where did we play him? Against a rampant Panthers at 5/8 otherwise off the bench and some time at dummy half. I was really hoping he would be a 'dud' after he left us but he is playing very well for the Raiders and is electric.

 

[frank stokes]

Preston is a good player. They hurt, local juniors playing elsewhere in a position we are a little weak in.

I love Preston as a player… all effort… but I did notice he was making some ineffective tackles against the tits last weekend… maybe it was just an off week (or maybe I don’t watch him as closely as Burbo 😉)

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I find myself agreeing with Bozo.

What’s going on?

 

[Rafferty]

Thompson is a big in but I don’t think they are THAT much better off than us…
They have a more youthful and mobile forward pack but King is similar to Paseka in impact and Thompson will essentially be their Guac…
Crichton is world-class and they have a much better 9 than us…

We have a much better fullback and I would take our halves combination any day… personally I reckon (Crichton aside) our outside backs are better (although Garrick is out of position)…

what we really need is a couple of Preston / Weak-gutted-dog style forwards that are smart / mobile and defend well… I have really been hoping that Burbo and maybe the duck would step-up but that is yet to happen so maybe MCK or even a modified Talau could be options…

I think we have the bones of a very good side and a bit of fine-tuning will see us being top-4 or better…

Maybe it’s not so much the talent they have v what we have, it’s the way they play their footy and how they recruit to improve their overall game inline with the current version of what it takes to be competitive. Our approach of playing a large pack, signing lumbering and aging forwards, extending also rans, isn’t the recipe for success these days, we seem stuck in a time warp, re our recruitment and I know there’s a lot more to it, but if there are problems and there are, we don’t seem to get it.

Sure we have talented players and probably one of the best in the game, while on him, as much as I hate saying it, injuries have ruined his career and continue to plague his future which disrupts our side year on year and dare I say it, his a little bipolar in playing terms, his not your all in effort player like Edward’s or Teddy, hell even Connor Tracey plays all in and his not on the same scale talent wise. I’m not sure if it comes down to, if Toms on where on, or if where off his off, however if he had the competitive nature of either of the before mentioned players and or the physical constitution, well, outright super star, yes, but sadly not so, unbelievable player but……..

While the Dogs do have a more mobile pack and here’s the kicker, they have been singled out as a little light, (maybe not their fault given how Suttons time played out) so what do they do? They go and sign Leo and are working to bring Pahulu over this season, either way he’ll most likely join them next year if not, his done at the Tits, it all comes down to them granting or refusing his release request. It’s all exciting if you’re a dogs fan. Then their recent recruiting hasn’t been to bad either.

Measure that against our recent approach, Woods, Brown, Taukeiaho (even though he looks like he will improve us, for a year maybe) Jazz, same deal, extending Duck for 3, they just aren’t the type of players to bring the leg speed and high output that’s needed. Let’s not look at the balance of the pack.

If we could wind the clock back and drop this side into the late 80’s mid 90’s, even the early 2000’s I agree we would have the bones of a good side, but not today.

The Sharks have cottoned on, Fitzy’s time at the chooks and his playing style (all energy) has reshaped them, Ciraldo and Gus get it from their time at the Riff and the Dogs are heading in the right direction, Hell even Sticky has worked it out and has the Raiders heading in the right direction, which should make Sundays game interesting.

I don’t really want to sound like I’m constantly bagging our side as I’ve been a life long supporter and a mad passionate one at that, but I’ve become pretty disheartened with how we’ve been travelling over the last 10 years or so and if I’m being honest I don’t see us as a premiership threat, not even remotely close, I also don’t see us as a top 4 side, for a number of reasons. Anyway I hope you’re right and I’m wrong, guess we’ll see how it all unfolds over the balance of the season.

 

[Woodsie]

The Humphreys decision is a bit of a head scratcher. As per Bozo's post he can cover a number of positions and I think should have been valued in front of Arthur, Wakeham, Matterson, Simpkin, Waddell (maybe Tevaga). I didn't like it at eh time and I like it less now.

Similarly, Kaeo Weekes. I understand they had to make some decisions and we already had Turbo, Koula to cover his positions however he was always picked for junior NSW rep teams so his class was evident. Where did we play him? Against a rampant Panthers at 5/8 otherwise off the bench and some time at dummy half. I was really hoping he would be a 'dud' after he left us but he is playing very well for the Raiders and is electric.

I have both Weekes and Humphries in my Supercoach team ... so I watch them intently ...

Last week ... as a fullback in a winning side ... Weekes scored 21 points ... 34 points the week before ... these are abysmal figures for a fullback ... ... he will have his highlight moments ... but well off the pace of other fullbacks ... may do better in the halves.

Last week Humprey's as a goal kicking halfback scored 67 points and 55 the week before ... very ordinary figures for a halfback ... good player but has demonstrated the creativity of a turnip ... will also have his highlight moments

 

[frank stokes]

I have both Weekes and Humphries in my Supercoach team ... so I watch them intently ...

Last week ... as a fullback in a winning side ... Weekes scored 21 points ... 34 points the week before ... these are abysmal figures for a fullback ... ... he will have his highlight moments ... but well off the pace of other fullbacks ... may do better in the halves.

Last week Humprey's as a goal kicking halfback scored 67 points and 55 the week before ... very ordinary figures for a halfback ... good player but has demonstrated the creativity of a turnip ... will also have his highlight moments

Agree… I was a massive Weekes fan and thought he was the messiah… he has been good at the Faders but not to the point where I am rotten he left…

Humphries is all hype right now… has definitely been serviceable in the role but made to look good by how bad the Pom was… last week I barely noticed Jamie before he slotted the field goal…

Not saying they going badly but, so far, meh…

 

[lsz]

This well worth a watch

Especially where James G says the quiet part out loud about players getting taken care of after they finish playing

 

[JakeyB789]

I have both Weekes and Humphries in my Supercoach team ... so I watch them intently ...

Last week ... as a fullback in a winning side ... Weekes scored 21 points ... 34 points the week before ... these are abysmal figures for a fullback ... ... he will have his highlight moments ... but well off the pace of other fullbacks ... may do better in the halves.

Last week Humprey's as a goal kicking halfback scored 67 points and 55 the week before ... very ordinary figures for a halfback ... good player but has demonstrated the creativity of a turnip ... will also have his highlight moments

Nothing like using Supercoach points to try and justify why we made the right decision letting guys go

Not sure why these guys like Humphreys and Weekes are essentially death-ridden on here, some struggle to accept that maybe we do have some problems with recruitment/retention and will pick out any holes in these early-20s players like they are already finished products. I'm sure Raiders and Souths fans are pretty happy with their purchases and even more pleased with their 2 wins to start the year against more favoured opponents. All while we're getting blown out by the Warriors and showing off our same old attitude and fitness issues we've had in recent years, with our own halfback over 12 years older than these guys holding us out for a bit more cash..

 

[Woodsie]

Nothing like using Supercoach points to try and justify why we made the right decision letting guys go

Not sure why these guys like Humphreys and Weekes are essentially death-ridden on here, some struggle to accept that maybe we do have some problems with recruitment/retention and will pick out any holes in these early-20s players like they are already finished products. I'm sure Raiders and Souths fans are pretty happy with their purchases and even more pleased with their 2 wins to start the year against more favoured opponents. All while we're getting blown out by the Warriors and showing off our same old attitude and fitness issues we've had in recent years, with our own halfback over 12 years older than these guys holding us out for a bit more cash..

Read most of the posts on here ... can't recall too many death riding them ... in fact, I think the consensus would be the exact opposite of what you are saying. The overwhelming majority would believe they're both good players ...

But the context of my post, which was in response to people lamenting letting them go ... was that neither would, by any measuring criteria, Supercoach or otherwise, be within a bull's roar of DCE and Turbo.

and what your last sentence has to do with the topic I have no idea ...

 

[The '47ers]

Manly legend's eye-opening call as Cherry-Evans could walk to rival NRL team

Daly Cherry-Evans is keen to keep playing, but it might be at a different NRL club. Read more here.

au.news.yahoo.com

 

[Dion Johnson]

Yep and with Thompson in bound for 26, Pahulu this year if they pull it off, there adding quality to their roster. I’d be happy to see us adding players of that caliber to our roster and while our roster may have improved, it is no way improving inline with the Dogs.

Ciraldo knows the Riffs blue print and with Gus they are building a side to play that competitive, grinding, up tempo footy. I can seem them continuing to move away from us in terms of becoming a top 4 side with a genuine shot at a premiership in the not to distant future, sadly I can’t say the same for us.

Dogs are not keen on Pahulu any longer they pulled their offer on him.

 

[LeonardCohen]

Not sure if you actually watched the game, but what you should have seen is a team getting soundly beaten until a very lucky escape.

One team has a senior, "star-studded", playing group that has been together for many seasons, whilst the Canterbury team has been put together less than two seasons ago with a relatively average list in comparison.

Their rise is remarkable.

They finished higher than us on the ladder, they were the second best defensive unit all year, and they play tougher in all aspects of the game. They are a better footy team, despite the highlight reel, and they are still trending up

Third best defence but agree with everything you suggest.

Zero issues for me , we can throw the bank at him if you like , but remember , if we do that , there can be no whinges about not buying superstars to fill in our shortcomings.

By the way this applies to Turbo / Jurbo as well , when their contracts come up we need to be sharper as well.

Personally I think Daly will want to stay at Manly , he may well have a future on coaching , and you can bet he’ll have a future at Fox Sports plus he loves living on the beaches.

But , if another team offered him 3 million for two years 🤷🤷🤷🤷

ive always said that the reasons we don’t buy superstars are (a) they don’t wanna come to Manly and (b) we’ve already got them on the books. I’ve never been one to cry foul about a lack of big signing. Get DCE over the line Manly!

 

[Dion Johnson]

Manly legend's eye-opening call as Cherry-Evans could walk to rival NRL team

Daly Cherry-Evans is keen to keep playing, but it might be at a different NRL club. Read more here.

au.news.yahoo.com

Choc could be right, good to read that he is backing his players, though for a young halve to play first grade the club need a creative number nine, need more from a nine than ball distribution to ease the pressure on young players.

 

[Buddy Love]

I find myself agreeing with Bozo.

What’s going on?

I think he copied pasted that