The Daly Cherrygraph

[manlyfan76]

Paying 1 mill or so for DCE was not the problem
not building a gf winning team while we had one of the better halfbacks IS the problem.

all good halfbacks get 900+

 

[Chip and Chase]

Agree totally.

This is option year. I wonder if des is upping the ante to see if he will move on. He looks more pressured than normal. His manager has made some noise and dropping him may get clubs wanting us to pay too much freight. Make him unhappy enough to just go

He seems to be rubbing his head for stress a lot more

Geez i hope

He doesn't have an option year. He signed an 8 year deal. He is here for another 3 seasons unless we move him on and pay some freight. Highest paid player in the league - no one is going to take that on without us dipping into our pocket.

 

[Ryan]

He doesn't have an option year. He signed an 8 year deal. He is here for another 3 seasons unless we move him on and pay some freight. Highest paid player in the league - no one is going to take that on without us dipping into our pocket.

Kev Walters would have him at The Broncos in a heartbeat, and our club should be facilitating this with everything they have. A fresh start for DCE with a new club and system may even re-ignite his form

 

[SeaEagle007]

Incase people havnt noticed he has no specialist 9 or 1 most of the time.. I bet you if you put him in the panthers system or the roosters system , he would be killing it. Just ease up on the guy they all have good and bad games... Last week he wasnt at his best yes, but he has done so much for us since being here , just be patient its only 2 rounds in , we are injured to the hilt , and we have played two of the heavy weights, and a 3 rd one coming next week after the dragons game... after .. Just support the team

 

[manlyfan76]

Milford is on a million at the Broncos this year.

Who would you rather?

 

[jbb/james]

He doesn't have an option year. He signed an 8 year deal. He is here for another 3 seasons unless we move him on and pay some freight. Highest paid player in the league - no one is going to take that on without us dipping into our pocket.

Nooooooooooo. I thought it was 6 plus 2 in his favour.
Thanks chippy . I hate misguided hope and i was camped out on hopes doorstep like i was trying to get concert tickets

 

[Chip and Chase]

He'll come good, he has to. You can't be an Australian and Origin half and keep playing this poorly. Or can you ??

We all know what he is capable of, the frustration comes from him not achieving anywhere near that potential far too often. No point whining about injuries and all that - if he plays to his ability we are travelling a lot better than we have been over the last dozen games. Most of us can cop some losses if the effort / fundamentals are there. Currently they aren't IMO. We've won 1 from our last 11 and that was against the Dogs (wooden spoon contenders). It's not all DCE's fault, but it's his team, he is the playmaker and the Captain. He has to shoulder the bulk of the responsibility, that's what all the good players in every team get paid to do.

Let's hope tonight is the start of a revival. Team looks like they lack confidence and have forgotten how to win. Losing is as contagious as winning. Let's just do the basics well tonight. Kick well, play field position and play direct when in attack. 5th tackle options need to be a whole heap better than what we've seen over the last dozen games. Our pack showed last week they can hold their own, halves need to start delivering. The skipper needs to lead from the front, on and off the ball.

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

He'll come good, he has to.

Unless, as jbb/james and others have argued, he was (cue dramatic music!) never really that good in the first place.

I'm not sure I buy that, but given we've got another three years of DCE at the helm, it'll be interesting to see how his career is evaluated when he's done. Right now, it's easy for anyone to say he's overpaid and underperforms - he's been horrible.

It's up to him to prove the doubters wrong - something he's always said he loves doing. Over to you, Cherry.

 

[Little Grubber Kick]

Unless, as jbb/james and others have argued, he was (cue dramatic music!) never really that good in the first place.

Perhaps he is carrying an injury as well, another fail to fire should see him being 'rested' for a couple of weeks (though a reality check says he would play in a moon boot to prevent a view of the team playing without him)

I'm not sure I buy that, but given we've got another three years of DCE at the helm, it'll be interesting to see how his career is evaluated when he's done. Right now, it's easy for anyone to say he's overpaid and underperforms - he's been horrible.

'Right now' would definitely be an appropriate Groundhog Day comment

It's up to him to prove the doubters wrong - something he's always said he loves doing. Over to you, Cherry.

don't know about 'always' but he definitely said he loved it on that one occasion he proved the doubters wrong last year.

 

[Jigzkiller]

Milford is on a million at the Broncos this year.

Who would you rather?

Neither they are both rubbish.

 

[Little Grubber Kick]

Neither they are both rubbish.

But which is better?

 

[XV-1]

I know how to get DCE out of his slump. Make him captain.

Worked a treat for Hunt

 

[ALinda]

I know how to get DCE out of his slump. Make him captain.

Worked a treat for Hunt

So reverse psychology should do the trick - sack him as captain

 

[Simonmyers11]

I was paying attention to both teams ball playing structure last night and they actually mixed it up, they occasionally play flat but it seemed they all knew what was happening and how to support the ball runner when playing flat, 4 to 5 men moving with the ball, support runners either side of him, in saying that the main go to was a deeper line in attack buying time and space with the ball, it kind of gives the defending side more time to lose their structure, in turn opening opportunities and space for their quicker men, we on the other hand are just playing the 80 flat and every side knows it, where cannon fodder. Has to be addressed.

Exactly. Poor jbb/james just doesn't see it. Thinks dce is afraid to take the line on. LOL. There is a whole lot wrong with the structure. Players look lost, don't support the ball carrier, put in the extra 1 %. They give up too easily, are not resilient enough including DCE. The coaches job is to galvanize the team, but we are not playing as a team. Every now and then some individual decent play, but too often we fall in a heap. Should the leaders be leading from the front more, yep. Cannot do much about avery players like crocker, parker, Jack etc. They are just not quality.

 

[Simonmyers11]

He'll come good, he has to. You can't be an Australian and Origin half and keep playing this poorly. Or can you ??

We all know what he is capable of, the frustration comes from him not achieving anywhere near that potential far too often. No point whining about injuries and all that - if he plays to his ability we are travelling a lot better than we have been over the last dozen games. Most of us can cop some losses if the effort / fundamentals are there. Currently they aren't IMO. We've won 1 from our last 11 and that was against the Dogs (wooden spoon contenders). It's not all DCE's fault, but it's his team, he is the playmaker and the Captain. He has to shoulder the bulk of the responsibility, that's what all the good players in every team get paid to do.

Let's hope tonight is the start of a revival. Team looks like they lack confidence and have forgotten how to win. Losing is as contagious as winning. Let's just do the basics well tonight. Kick well, play field position and play direct when in attack. 5th tackle options need to be a whole heap better than what we've seen over the last dozen games. Our pack showed last week they can hold their own, halves need to start delivering. The skipper needs to lead from the front, on and off the ball.

What does the captain say to the effort of some of the players tonight in that first half. Thought DCE, Shuster, Foran in particular started well but Parker, Jack dropped it twice each on the attack. Crocker knocks on from dummy half! Jack totally misses two easy tackles that lead to tries. Suli comes in twice and leaves the winger open. Those errors tonight were mind boggling. Dragons were not even good, we were just so bad.

Its definitely a confidence thing. We are in a massive, massive rut and until we can manage a couple of wins things won't change. Morale is at an all time low. Bit worried about Martys head space now as well told he is not wanted??

 

[Simonmyers11]

I knew you would

Your too reactive. Your sample is waay too small

You mention storm and the penny panthers. There playmakers tak a hit also, not just stand deep. Its both, not one . Apparently clearys chin is playmaker swelling.

He did not run the ball to the line last year also when levi had a pretty good pass.

Sirros issue have been years in the making and has been injured lately
Suli, brian kelly all caught colds

You constantly make it the problem of people at the end of the chain rather than the front. . Foran tells his outside men where to stand and what to do. DCE is a victim though because why ?

The hooker
His positioning too flat to attack
His positioning to deep when kicking
Well that just blew that theory out of the water
Des
The 6
Sirro
suli

Anyway game day. Im sure it will appear as though we watched different games . nothing wrong with that though. Enjoy the footy and keep finding cherries excuses , while i go sharpen my axe.

Pistols at dawn.

Imagine if has a good game despite everyone elses issues. Would that mean it was him all along. Anyway lets ponder that

Read my post, I said DCE is part of the blame as well as how they are playing as a team (or lack of) No confidence.

Saying DCE doesn't take the line on enough because he doesn't want to get hit by defence is so not the main reason we are playing this bad. How many simple simple dropped balls and misreading the attack happened tonight. Reserve grade stuff

 

[jbb/james]

Exactly. Poor jbb/james just doesn't see it. Thinks dce is afraid to take the line on. LOL. There is a whole lot wrong with the structure. Players look lost, don't support the ball carrier, put in the extra 1 %. They give up too easily, are not resilient enough including DCE. The coaches job is to galvanize the team, but we are not playing as a team. Every now and then some individual decent play, but too often we fall in a heap. Should the leaders be leading from the front more, yep. Cannot do much about avery players like crocker, parker, Jack etc. They are just not quality.

He played second fiddle to foran tonight, possibly 3rd fiddle to schuster and If tom and manase were there , he would have been 5th fiddle off the rack. While he didnt completely screw the pooch tonight , he did very little that couldnt be done by the most inexperienced half in the competition. A couple of nice kicks

Sure we have issues in depth due to the absurd pay packet of a few and i dont include turbo in that group. injury is just bad luck

I just dont expect as much from players on minimum wage plugging gaps compared to mr qualifications and nor should we.

The disparity between pay and the leadership shown by foran compared to dce is beserk tonight. Dce was literally getting out of the way tonight

As for resilliance and 1 % dce doesnt get a solid pass either

And curiously our champion halfback in your opinion after 3 games has no try assists, no line break assists but takes the ball to the line. So if he does actually do it, he is obviously piss poor at it.Lol

Croker with 2 runs for the season has a try assist

As for coaches i try not to comment too much on what i cant see and rationalise . Even barrett i tried to stay out of it mostly until right at the end, but passing , kicking, being a fancy pants on field i feel more comfortable with.

But lastly if our most experienced , most gifted , multi capped represtitive player need a million mechanisms to perform his role. Your words about dce weekly , why are you so harsh on the bit players ? Forans side started to show some activity tonight

Dce did throw ball to suli tonight . Perhaps more direct ball tonight than all of last season.

 

[Franko]

Sack him and make play for Adam Reynolds he can’t get his contract at south’s sorted.

 

[jbb/james]

Read my post, I said DCE is part of the blame as well as how they are playing as a team (or lack of) No confidence.

Saying DCE doesn't take the line on enough because he doesn't want to get hit by defence is so not the main reason we are playing this bad. How many simple simple dropped balls and misreading the attack happened tonight. Reserve grade stuff

This thread is the daily cherrygraph , not the sydney morning croker.
But dropped ball was very costly tonight and that post of mine was pre game and was general and historical . Cherry did not lose the game tonight .He never once tried to win it either.

 

[Simonmyers11]

He played second fiddle to foran tonight, possibly 3rd fiddle to schuster and If tom and manase were there , he would have been 5th fiddle off the rack. While he didnt completely screw the pooch tonight , he did very little that couldnt be done by the most inexperienced half in the competition. A couple of nice kicks

Sure we have issues in depth due to the absurd pay packet of a few and i dont include turbo in that group. injury is just bad luck

I just dont expect as much from players on minimum wage plugging gaps compared to mr qualifications and nor should we.

The disparity between pay and the leadership shown by foran compared to dce is beserk tonight. Dce was literally getting out of the way tonight

As for resilliance and 1 % dce doesnt get a solid pass either

And curiously our champion halfback in your opinion after 3 games has no try assists, no line break assists but takes the ball to the line. So if he does actually do it, he is obviously piss poor at it.Lol

Croker with 2 runs for the season has a try assist

As for coaches i try not to comment too much on what i cant see and rationalise . Even barrett i tried to stay out of it mostly until right at the end, but passing , kicking, being a fancy pants on field i feel more comfortable with.

But lastly if our most experienced , most gifted , multi capped represtitive player need a million mechanisms to perform his role. Your words about dce weekly , why are you so harsh on the bit players ? Forans side started to show some activity tonight

Dce did throw ball to suli tonight . Perhaps more direct ball tonight than all of last season.

Because DCE is a champion, he will come good, he always does. Players like Parker, Crocker,vJack etc have never look like first grade ever, but continue to get picked. Foran played great, but we should be worried he does limp back on side from about the 60 min mark. He staggers back and hangs out on the wing, limping. Anyway, DCE can turn it around, he is too good.