Salary Cap Witch Hunt. **Appeal unsuccessful**

[Fluffy]

How do we end up with a bigger penalty than parra yet only 1/4 the amount over? Parras fine was 1M ours is 1.4M FFS yet we were 800k compared to their 3M?

 

[Fluffy]

What punishment does Kelly get?
After all, he was that CEO that negotiated and signed off on every contract till 2016

One would think that due diligence on the matter would see his new position equally scrutinized........

 

[niccipops]

If you can't beat them, then join them ?

I'm not condoning any cheating. But if things were an even playing field the NRL would spend 9 months trying to find TPA discrepancies at all 16 clubs. I wonder how all 16 clubs have interpreted the TPA rules?

 

[conanu]

Looks to me like we are guilty of saying to potential players that we could organise 3rd parties to top up their package in our negotiations with the prospective players. In some instances this enticed the players to sign with us and then we didn't come through with the TPA.

Therefore:
* No actual cap breach for paying outside or above the cap.

* Players weren't involved as they received nothing.

* Other clubs would be upset because it removed players from the market.

My guess is we told Nate Myles, Foran and a few others that we could organise TPA's for them to get the upper hand in negotiations and get the deals over the line. The Myles deal probably got DCE over the line and Titans run by the NRL at the time were seriously butt hurt. Once we realised Nate was an absolute Dud and Foran was leaving we pulled the TPA's they were both expecting so they got upset and reported it to the NRL. The 1.5 mil they are mentioning may only be a value of what we actually said we could organise and that could have been offered to players that didn't end up signing with us but the NRL are using it to inflate the figures none the less.

The whole thing is a farce built around an agenda and they are trying to exaggerate the breach to justify the money and effort they have put into this investigation. We don't have any power brokers in the RL commission or the NRL to get this to disappear like the Broncos did with Andrew Gee.

All we are guilty of is making an offer to players and not following through with organising a TPA. Which ironically if we had made the payments we would have breached the cap.

I am actually more proud of the club for not wasting the money of good people that would give money to Manly tpa's, on those selfish plonkers like Nate Myles and Foran.

I find it hysterical that 2 of the 3 previous clubs that systemically rorted the cap did not receive future cap penalties and were able to win the comp within the following seasons, yet we are cap penalised for essentially 3 years. Due to the fact that we were not allowed to remove Matai and Stewart last year and 2018 and 19 we must have 330 removed from our cap. Its a joke.

 

[Harvies elbow]

Fulton is going to own the NRL after this.

Anyone who can should tune into Hadley tomorrow. He is gunna go "ape" at Todd labelling his best mate a cheat without producing any evidence.

Yep.
Bad move. And others will probably cop it. And Hadley won't just say it once, it will go on and on.

 

[Fluffy]

As a lifelong Manly supporter, one thing I understand with absolute clarity is that Bob Fulton is nobodies patsy. He’s never laid down in over 50 years in the game. Let’s hope our greatest ever player aims up. We might get a clearer indication on how Boze is going to approach this by how Ray Hadley responds this week. Todd may have stuffed up big time with his insinuations regarding Bozo. Another interesting point is the way coaches are speaking a united language regarding how the game is being officiated. Interesting times. One thing is becoming apparent, the men who have bled playing this game their entire life are speaking out against the NRL hierarchy.

Would not be surprised if someone does oust Greenberg if they have anything on him. 1 whistleblower and it all comes tumbling down.

 

[mave]

I'm not condoning any cheating. But if things were an even playing field the NRL would spend 9 months trying to find TPA discrepancies at all 16 clubs. I wonder have all 16 clubs have interpreted the TPA rules?

I don't care about the other 15 clubs.
We cannot control what they are doing.

All we can control is what we do, what contracts we offer, and that we stay within the rules. It appears that we have been unable or unwilling to do this.

NRL is not, and never will be, a level playing field.

 

[Fluffy]

You really think one of the richest men in Sydney who is their chairmen isn't facilitating all their tpa? Not at arms length and contravenes the rules.

I heard of Brown paper bags and the "bet you can't sink that 1 inch putt" type ways about 20 years ago from the son of a board member of a Sydney club so have no doubts about home some go about it.

 

[HappilyManly]

What Greenturd and Buzz forget is that a week after Chez backflipped, the Titans called in the receivers

The NRL had to step in and finance them for 4 years FFS 😎

So Manly didn't prevent them from signing a player. Rather helped a player out of a dodgy Titans contract'

 

[Fluffy]

Looks to me like we are guilty of saying to potential players that we could organise 3rd parties to top up their package in our negotiations with the prospective players. In some instances this enticed the players to sign with us and then we didn't come through with the TPA.

Therefore:
* No actual cap breach for paying outside or above the cap.

* Players weren't involved as they received nothing.

* Other clubs would be upset because it removed players from the market.

My guess is we told Nate Myles, Foran and a few others that we could organise TPA's for them to get the upper hand in negotiations and get the deals over the line. The Myles deal probably got DCE over the line and Titans run by the NRL at the time were seriously butt hurt. Once we realised Nate was an absolute Dud and Foran was leaving we pulled the TPA's they were both expecting so they got upset and reported it to the NRL. The 1.5 mil they are mentioning may only be a value of what we actually said we could organise and that could have been offered to players that didn't end up signing with us but the NRL are using it to inflate the figures none the less.

The whole thing is a farce built around an agenda and they are trying to exaggerate the breach to justify the money and effort they have put into this investigation. We don't have any power brokers in the RL commission or the NRL to get this to disappear like the Broncos did with Andrew Gee.

All we are guilty of is making an offer to players and not following through with organising a TPA. Which ironically if we had made the payments we would have breached the cap.

I am actually more proud of the club for not wasting the money of good people that would give money to Manly tpa's, on those selfish plonkers like Nate Myles and Foran.

I find it hysterical that 2 of the 3 previous clubs that systemically rorted the cap did not receive future cap penalties and were able to win the comp within the following seasons, yet we are cap penalised for essentially 3 years. Due to the fact that we were not allowed to remove Matai and Stewart last year and 2018 and 19 we must have 330 removed from our cap. Its a joke.

Sounds almost exactly like that Keno sponsorship and Maloney........

 

[niccipops]

I don't care about the other 15 clubs.
We cannot control what they are doing.

All we can control is what we do, what contracts we offer, and that we stay within the rules. It appears that we have been unable or unwilling to do this.

NRL is not, and never will be, a level playing field.

I'm choosing to believe Manly over Todd Greenberg.

 

[COMMANDER]

Looks to me like we are guilty of saying to potential players that we could organise 3rd parties to top up their package in our negotiations with the prospective players. In some instances this enticed the players to sign with us and then we didn't come through with the TPA.

Therefore:
* No actual cap breach for paying outside or above the cap.

* Players weren't involved as they received nothing.

* Other clubs would be upset because it removed players from the market.

My guess is we told Nate Myles, Foran and a few others that we could organise TPA's for them to get the upper hand in negotiations and get the deals over the line. The Myles deal probably got DCE over the line and Titans run by the NRL at the time were seriously butt hurt. Once we realised Nate was an absolute Dud and Foran was leaving we pulled the TPA's they were both expecting so they got upset and reported it to the NRL. The 1.5 mil they are mentioning may only be a value of what we actually said we could organise and that could have been offered to players that didn't end up signing with us but the NRL are using it to inflate the figures none the less.

The whole thing is a farce built around an agenda and they are trying to exaggerate the breach to justify the money and effort they have put into this investigation. We don't have any power brokers in the RL commission or the NRL to get this to disappear like the Broncos did with Andrew Gee.

All we are guilty of is making an offer to players and not following through with organising a TPA. Which ironically if we had made the payments we would have breached the cap.

I am actually more proud of the club for not wasting the money of good people that would give money to Manly tpa's, on those selfish plonkers like Nate Myles and Foran.

I find it hysterical that 2 of the 3 previous clubs that systemically rorted the cap did not receive future cap penalties and were able to win the comp within the following seasons, yet we are cap penalised for essentially 3 years. Due to the fact that we were not allowed to remove Matai and Stewart last year and 2018 and 19 we must have 330 removed from our cap. Its a joke.

I think of a lot of the NRL's evidence will be coming from disgruntled former players; one of which was mixed up in the "match fixing" scandal and would have made complaints around TPA's not being honoured to the NSW Police. The Police, for whatever reason passed this information on the the NRL.

Having said that, if the NRL is basing a lot of their evidence around what these grubs have complained about the Club may have a leg to stand on.

 

[mave]

I'm choosing to believe Manly over Todd Greenberg.

I can respect that.

In my opinion Penn and Greenburg are completely interchangeable. Neither inspire me with any confidence in their true love for t Manly or the NRL respectively.

Both would make excellent pollies, only on opposing sides.

 

[niccipops]

I can respect that.

In my opinion Penn and Greenburg are completely interchangeable. Neither inspire me with any confidence in their true love for t Manly or the NRL respectively.

Both would make excellent pollies, only on opposing sides.

Pollies. That's interesting. I don't know much about Penn really. He owns a seriously awesome football team though. So I'm definitely voting for Penn.😀

 

[manly al]

Looks to me like we are guilty of saying to potential players that we could organise 3rd parties to top up their package in our negotiations with the prospective players. In some instances this enticed the players to sign with us and then we didn't come through with the TPA.

Therefore:
* No actual cap breach for paying outside or above the cap.

* Players weren't involved as they received nothing.

* Other clubs would be upset because it removed players from the market.

My guess is we told Nate Myles, Foran and a few others that we could organise TPA's for them to get the upper hand in negotiations and get the deals over the line. The Myles deal probably got DCE over the line and Titans run by the NRL at the time were seriously butt hurt. Once we realised Nate was an absolute Dud and Foran was leaving we pulled the TPA's they were both expecting so they got upset and reported it to the NRL. The 1.5 mil they are mentioning may only be a value of what we actually said we could organise and that could have been offered to players that didn't end up signing with us but the NRL are using it to inflate the figures none the less.

The whole thing is a farce built around an agenda and they are trying to exaggerate the breach to justify the money and effort they have put into this investigation. We don't have any power brokers in the RL commission or the NRL to get this to disappear like the Broncos did with Andrew Gee.

All we are guilty of is making an offer to players and not following through with organising a TPA. Which ironically if we had made the payments we would have breached the cap.

I am actually more proud of the club for not wasting the money of good people that would give money to Manly tpa's, on those selfish plonkers like Nate Myles and Foran.

I find it hysterical that 2 of the 3 previous clubs that systemically rorted the cap did not receive future cap penalties and were able to win the comp within the following seasons, yet we are cap penalised for essentially 3 years. Due to the fact that we were not allowed to remove Matai and Stewart last year and 2018 and 19 we must have 330 removed from our cap. Its a joke.

I am starting to get the impression that these refereed to additional payments were fully disclosed to the N R L and Manly made no attempt to conceal them as according to their version they made a judgement that they were quite in order at the time . And the payments were delivered to the respective players concerned . The contentious and ambiguous point or difference of opinion is whether they then complied with the N r l "s definition of third party deals or arrangements . Any way i guess it a case of over to you Scott Penn and co and let "s see what you have got in regard to a worth while challenge to dispute the findings . B T W good reference to Andrew Gee "s past antics which were obviously on the dodgy side .

 

[Loobs]

Penn should keep saying he’ll fight it but wait a few days till something else happens and the focus is off the club then pay the fine and get on with life. It’s dragged on long enough.

 

[Supreme Leader]

NO its $660K EACH year

Hey guys, seriously putting a disagree after 3 hours? The initial media was very confusing at best and if you actually listened to the press conference he said $660K fine over this year and next year - was it halved over 2 years or was it $660K each year. Obviously it was clarified but it was a poorly made comment by Toddy

Sure, I was on the other side of the comment. I look forward to when you next wrong.

I thought better of you guys!

 

[COMMANDER]

I thought better of you guys![/QUOTE]

That was your first mistake.😱

 

[HappilyManly]

So in closing this Witch Hunt, Kelly is the

 

[MadMarcus]

Let's not all forget that this whole audit was done via a committee members private company....

Mmmmmm..... Wonder how much they got paid?....

Allegedly their fee is $500k now with $250k suspended and 2 further payments of $330k in each of the next 2 years.