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Manly's survival

Ranger

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Probably best to relocate the teams with the lowest number of actual local juniors.
That would be last year’s Grand Finalists.
Easy peasy.
How many juniors from Melbourne or Victoria in 20+ years of the Storm's existence have actually become NRL players? 2? 3?

Top junior talent that they buy or recruit from Queensland, 'Queensland' or NZ does not count.

I wonder when that question will actually be asked at NRL HQ.
 

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How many juniors from Melbourne or Victoria in 20+ years of the Storm's existence have actually become NRL players? 2? 3?

Top junior talent that they buy or recruit from Queensland, 'Queensland' or NZ does not count.

I wonder when that question will actually be asked at NRL HQ.
And still melb are allowed to have feeder teams in qld. How long do they need proping up.
 

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I posted this to fox sports facebook page.

Great Idea Todd! Lets mess around with the fabric of the game and upset the established fan base all in the name of progress!! What we should do is make a truly national and world wide sport out of Rugby League. We could call it Super League!! Wait hold on, I think we tried that already and it nearly killed us.

Typical Rugby League administration always looking for the next bright and shiny thing instead of consolidating and focusing on tradition and creating a game that is impossible to walk away from because it is in your family history and your blood. Instead of bright and shiny plastic throw away clubs that people will chuck away like rubbish when they don’t win every week.

AFL get it, they understand tradition and creating that unbreakable ingrained bond and support for clubs, thats why they have so many members. Because if young fans stop supporting their club their grandfathers won’t talk to them anymore.

Maybe expansion might work but not at the expense of established clubs and the longer this chat of hammering the traditional clubs out of sydney continues, the more fans will simply start to walk early. I know I am sick of Greenbergs ruthless corporate methods. NRL needs to fertilise the soil so the roots and the tree will prosper. He doesn’t get that because he is basically Rupert Murdoch MKII ready to wreck it all over again.
Spot on mate.

Funny how there is never any talk out of the AFL that there is too many clubs in Melbourne - they have seven that are all in close proximity, all within about 20mins of each other.

We have the chooks and rabbits next door to each other in an area that has a very rapidly changing demographic to sustain what these clubs need - junors and families.
One of them should be on the agenda for relocation but the have the $$ and power. Will be interesting what the chooks will be like once Uncle Nick falls off his twig.

We have the Dragons, Dogs and Sharks core areas all within 20-30 mins.
The Dogs especially are in a changing demographic also, they pack out Belmore for two games a year but ANZ is a ghost town.
As the Dragons are established in Wollongong they have future proofed themselves very well in my opinion.
The Sharks and/or Dogs should be on the agenda for relocation.

Tigers need to work out if they are from the inner west ( Balmain, Lidcombe, Ashfield ), again a changed demographic in terms of families or the south west ie Campbelltown.
This takes on more importance as the A-League will have a new team there ( Macarthur ) in two years.

Parra whether we like it or not is here to stay - new stadium, is a city unto itself ( kind of ) and easily accessible and identifiable to the masses flocking to the new estates out west.
Penrith safe - juniors, funds, fanbase, geographically well placed.
Manly should be safe - privately owned and the only team north of the city. If the NRL are fair dinkum they'd be nuts to give us up.

To me the Gold Coast doesn't work as most people up there are from NSW - so have their own team they still support - or Brisbane so are begrudgingly Broncos supporters too.
Same reason relocation to the Central Coast won't work and didn't with the Northern Beagles.
People don't generally like to be told who they should support.

In summing up, it should be the Dogs that are candidate no 1 for relocation.
 

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Your logic is applauded, however I don’t trust the NRL to do anything in the interests of fans.
$$$ is their only master
Manly do need to market more effectively in the Northern regions of Sydney though. Difficult prospect though.
If Manly are renamed, relocated or kicked out, I will be done with the NRL.
Exactly what he said !
 

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This current TV deal takes us up to 2022 inclusive, it would be irrelevant to admit just one new side , more likely they would have to include two new teams in order to have more bargaining power negotiating the next deal, however this would have to be done well before the current deal finishes, and I would doubt it very much if they would be able to admit two new teams in that time frame.
As for relocation, I doubt that they will force a club to, relocate unless it's voluntary, it would drag on for years in the courts if a club decided to fight it.
 

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If Manly move to Brissy one positive is a front row seat for you and Mr D!
Funny. I’d still support us in Perth but never in Brisbane. Weird.
 

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How many juniors from Melbourne or Victoria in 20+ years of the Storm's existence have actually become NRL players? 2? 3?

Top junior talent that they buy or recruit from Queensland, 'Queensland' or NZ does not count.

I wonder when that question will actually be asked at NRL HQ.
They couldn’t care less about that!!
 

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The Roosters have been riding on a crest of success for six years now and good players tend to gravitate to successful clubs, even on slightly reduced contracts, whereas if we were to get a marquis player now, we would probably have to pay overs to get, it's the rugby league cycle, as they say, nothing succeeds like success.
You are missing the my point ....

I was not talking about marque players mate . I was talking about marque club membership support .

Our club membership support even in those successful cycle years of ours has always been around 10k making our club the least supported club of all where it counts most and that is in club membership loyal support .
 

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They couldn’t care less about that!!
Sadly mate unlike the few loyal and passionate committed club members like your self that make up around 11k committed Manly Sea eagles club members making our club the least supported in the NRL

Most of the Manly people seem not to care about that as well

I wish we had more loyal , committed and passionate supporters like you


At the end of the day it is all about the passion of your club

Who ever is reading this . How passionate are you about our Manly club ?


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You are missing the my point ....

I was not talking about marque players mate . I was talking about marque club membership support .

Our club membership support even in those successful cycle years of ours has always been around 10k making our club the least supported club of all where it counts most and that is in club membership loyal support .
No doubt about it, our club is the least supported in membership , I suppose a lot of factors come into this, one factor would be the changing of the demographics of the area.
The traditional supporters who once lived in the area, have either died or moved on, and even their children have probably moved on due to the unaffordability of the area.
I suppose a factor in all of this is that for six decades Manly was a premier club and success followed success, sometimes fans are fickle and are not prepared to follow a club that's been languishing at the bottom rather than the top, and apathy sets in.
Souths were in the same situation, their success was way in the past, always financially stretched and poor crowds, it wasn't until they were thrown out of the competition that all of their fans came out of the woodwork when they realised their team was gone.
When we played a grand final qualifier in 2013, I caught a bus from the Sutherland Shire to ANZ Stadium, the bus was almost full of Souths supporters, with me the only Manly supporter, amongst the Souths fans there were kids of various ages and I thought to myself, how the fark does Souths get so many fans, even in the Shire.
I've been following Manly for well over fifty years and even in the past when they used to have the match of the day at the SCG, there would always be a crowd of around 25,000 at every game, and that's when Sydney's population was just on 3 million, I suppose Pay TV and night football has changed all of that today.
For us to be viable we really need a membership base of at least 15,000, perhaps the club is to blame here for lack of marketing, who knows?
 

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No doubt about it, our club is the least supported in membership , I suppose a lot of factors come into this, one factor would be the changing of the demographics of the area.
The traditional supporters who once lived in the area, have either died or moved on, and even their children have probably moved on due to the unaffordability of the area.
I suppose a factor in all of this is that for six decades Manly was a premier club and success followed success, sometimes fans are fickle and are not prepared to follow a club that's been languishing at the bottom rather than the top, and apathy sets in.
Souths were in the same situation, their success was way in the past, always financially stretched and poor crowds, it wasn't until they were thrown out of the competition that all of their fans came out of the woodwork when they realised their team was gone.
When we played a grand final qualifier in 2013, I caught a bus from the Sutherland Shire to ANZ Stadium, the bus was almost full of Souths supporters, with me the only Manly supporter, amongst the Souths fans there were kids of various ages and I thought to myself, how the fark does Souths get so many fans, even in the Shire.
I've been following Manly for well over fifty years and even in the past when they used to have the match of the day at the SCG, there would always be a crowd of around 25,000 at every game, and that's when Sydney's population was just on 3 million, I suppose Pay TV and night football has changed all of that today.
For us to be viable we really need a membership base of at least 15,000, perhaps the club is to blame here for lack of marketing, who knows?
No excuses . I hate excuses as it makes people complacent and excuses never bring results

I have seen it at the gym for years and I tell every one . Put in or you are going to get nothing out of your time at the gym . Dont waste your money or my time .


No one is to blame except our Manly people .

The Parramatta club take the cake in in house fighting , board corruption and pathetic wooden spoon years over 40 years and they have nearly 3 times more club members than us .

No excuses .

All club supporters know what is required by their club !
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I have something for you John Ribot ,U Cretin.
 

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Our club membership support even in those successful cycle years of ours has always been around 10k making our club the least supported club of all where it counts most and that is in club membership loyal support .
How is that surprising when the favourite non footy game of every NRL supporter is hating Manly? It’s been decades. Over that time, several whole new generations have been born into Manly hating households. While we wear the hatred as a badge of honour this will never change.
 

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I personally feel that no Sydney club should be booted and definitely not Manly. I think there should be a second division and all new teams must start there. Promotion and relegation. Win second division your into the NRL, get the wooden spoon in Nrl then down you go..

For argument sake second division could be a 8-10 team competition. 4 teams from Qld , 2 from nsw ( Bears , Newtown? ) and Perth and a second from NZ. 4 team finals..
 

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Several of the previous posts have mentioned a relocation of The Mighty 'Eagles to the Central Coast; as a born and bred Gosford boy (East Gosford to be specific), I think, IMHO, relocating the team to the Coast will not work; no matter that I'd love it.

It didn't work with the ill conceived and executed North Eagles because we're hated by everybody, however loved by all of those who love Rugby League and the way we've traditional played the game, i.e. Silvertails.

The thing with the Coast, is that as we've never had our own team, people support whichever team they feel an affinity with and don't want to have another team forced down their throats by the NRL. Families often have divided loyalties (mine, Dad-the Chooks mostly, with a soft spot for the old Magpies, Mum- Saints since birth, me-The Mighty 'Eagles, brothers- Souths and Tigers); going through school, etc., everybody was the same and nobody will ever change. People moving to the Coast still follow their old team.

However much people like to think resurrecting the Bears will be a success (I'm looking at you Singo), the only way a fulltime NRL team will work, IMHO, is with a new franchise with its own colours, emblem and culture, even then it will take time, at least a generation, until all the old team loyalties have died out.

Just my 2 cents worth.
Agree, we relocated to Copacabana from Narabeen in 1987 and there is no way this region will support a relocated team. It’s got to be a new franchise and a competitive one for it to work. This has been demonstrated by the Mariners debacle.
 

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