Let us not be too complacent with real people power . That is strong club membership support
Even the Rosters who territory wise are 10 times smaller than us have bigger membership support than us
Manly's survival
- Thread starter The Who
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Even the Rosters who territory wise are 10 times smaller than us have bigger membership support than us
The Who
Journey Man
Territory is irrelevant. Population is important. The City of Sydney and the Eastern Suburbs have a greatest population than the Northern Beaches.
I also maintain that we get larger crowds at Brookie supporting the Sea Eagles than there are Easts supporters at the SFS for an average First Grade match.
Population yes i understand this
What I do not understand is , what is the point of having the population when you have the least people supporting a club ?
The Budge is a touch north of Gwandalan. But you’re right. We should be more ambitious. Swansea I say!
The Who
Journey Man
Surely on-field performance, along with financial viability, is the only criteria to judge if a club is worthy of staying in the NRL.
What concern is it of the NRL that a club has a low membership base? That's the concern of the owners. If they are prepared to finance a club, and that club has never come last, then it is a successful club.
On the other hand, if a club regularly comes last then the NRL should put them out of their misery.
Really !,No way is Budgewoi North of Gwandalan...But def North of Swansea is imbred Knights zone..
In a perfect world clubs should merge ,but as we know this doesn’t work .
You might say the West Tigers are going ok but they aren’t off the field there is constant bickering between the 2
But back to my point
Merge : Rooster - Rabbits
Sharks - Dragons
Eels - Panthers
West Tigers - Bulldogs
Then introduce the new teams Perth , Brisbane #2
Manly stand alone cause of there geo graphic that then includes the central coast
But we don’t live in a perfect world so will never happen
You might say the West Tigers are going ok but they aren’t off the field there is constant bickering between the 2
But back to my point
Merge : Rooster - Rabbits
Sharks - Dragons
Eels - Panthers
West Tigers - Bulldogs
Then introduce the new teams Perth , Brisbane #2
Manly stand alone cause of there geo graphic that then includes the central coast
But we don’t live in a perfect world so will never happen
I have always been an advocate that relocation wouldn’t work as the new region /team would want to identify with its team and not buy into an old relocated franchise.
But heard an interesting discussion on ABC grandstand and I’m not so sure now.
Those against relocation and/ or mergers tend to talk about the years just post super league years where let’s face it the game was an absolute mess after the truce and the demise of the crushers, rams, reds, etc and the Souths legal battles.Decisions were made on the run with no real thought.
In fact we’ve really only had partial relocations and split home grounds with the Northern Eagles fiasco , West Tigers and St Merge etc.
I think the AFL may give us some insight into this.
The Swans have thrived and had great success, The Lions won 3 GFs in a row and although not a powerhouse like Sydney could be regarded as a success. Both these clubs were relocated. Swans from South Melbourne, Lions from Fitzroy.
On the other hand the brand new franchises GWS and Suns have been an absolute disaster financially ( despite GWS decent efforts on the field). The AFL has ploughed more than a 150 mill into these teams.I know it is slightly different in that they were thrust into non AFL country but the Swans have shown there is an appetite for AFL in Sydney and there was a big AFL following on the Gold Coast prior to the Suns arriving.
One of the benefits of relocation is that there is a small but solid fan base in Brisbane at least for Sydney sides ( plenty hate the broncos) to kick the team off and the admin of the relocated side would have been doing it for years as opposed to a new outfit.
I think it could work if the playing strip remains the same and the emblem. Northern Sharks , Northern Sea Eagles etc playing in traditional jerseys. You would need something like “ Northern” in the name to satisfy and attract new fans from the region.One of the things that NSW people probably don’t realise ( and I’m sure some Northern ST posters will agree) is the hatred for all things Bronco by a lot of punters up here. There are thousands wanting to grab on to something new.
I definitely don’t want that and the Brookie hill remains one of Gods great joints but if it meant that it was the ONLY way we could survive I’d support it.
But heard an interesting discussion on ABC grandstand and I’m not so sure now.
Those against relocation and/ or mergers tend to talk about the years just post super league years where let’s face it the game was an absolute mess after the truce and the demise of the crushers, rams, reds, etc and the Souths legal battles.Decisions were made on the run with no real thought.
In fact we’ve really only had partial relocations and split home grounds with the Northern Eagles fiasco , West Tigers and St Merge etc.
I think the AFL may give us some insight into this.
The Swans have thrived and had great success, The Lions won 3 GFs in a row and although not a powerhouse like Sydney could be regarded as a success. Both these clubs were relocated. Swans from South Melbourne, Lions from Fitzroy.
On the other hand the brand new franchises GWS and Suns have been an absolute disaster financially ( despite GWS decent efforts on the field). The AFL has ploughed more than a 150 mill into these teams.I know it is slightly different in that they were thrust into non AFL country but the Swans have shown there is an appetite for AFL in Sydney and there was a big AFL following on the Gold Coast prior to the Suns arriving.
One of the benefits of relocation is that there is a small but solid fan base in Brisbane at least for Sydney sides ( plenty hate the broncos) to kick the team off and the admin of the relocated side would have been doing it for years as opposed to a new outfit.
I think it could work if the playing strip remains the same and the emblem. Northern Sharks , Northern Sea Eagles etc playing in traditional jerseys. You would need something like “ Northern” in the name to satisfy and attract new fans from the region.One of the things that NSW people probably don’t realise ( and I’m sure some Northern ST posters will agree) is the hatred for all things Bronco by a lot of punters up here. There are thousands wanting to grab on to something new.
I definitely don’t want that and the Brookie hill remains one of Gods great joints but if it meant that it was the ONLY way we could survive I’d support it.
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The '47ers
Your resident two-headed Queenslander
Do you think they will put a 2nd team in Brisbane mate, seems an "obvious" thing to do, but I seriously believe a 2nd team will just get bullied out of town again. I reckon it will be a failure and this might be more trouble than the NRL will want to deal with.
Peter C
Bencher
They won't exclude another club as long as they are substantially viable to continue, and only our current owners know the answer to that.
What is heartening though is that there are other parties who have an interest in ownership, if available.
Peter C
Bencher
yes, they would love another team in Brisbane, it would suit television, as well as a buffer to prevent Brisbane consuming all around it.
Let's not forget, not everyone like the Broncos up there.
The Crushers were getting very good crowds in their first season up there, until the advent of the Super League War, and then after that the ARL/QRL didn't put too much effort into them and then they were a casualty of the peace agreement.
Peter C
Bencher
The Roosters have been riding on a crest of success for six years now and good players tend to gravitate to successful clubs, even on slightly reduced contracts, whereas if we were to get a marquis player now, we would probably have to pay overs to get, it's the rugby league cycle, as they say, nothing succeeds like success.
You’re right. I was thinking Gorokan. I don’t get out much because, deep down, I’ll always be a Newtown girl!
Tomay
Bencher
There’s an idea, we should relocate the Jets!
Jigzkiller
Bencher
It's an indictment on the people that have run our club from 1970 to now to be in what I consider such a weak position. The most successful club since 1970 (premierships,finals) and I would argue has less fans now than then. What have we done since 1970? we should be a powerhouse club of the league, yet we have terrible member numbers a ground that is a dump and no political power in the nrl on top of not much money. Frankly we have ourselves to blame the people involved in our club have never been forward thinking and I fear for our future.
I have been going to Brookvale since 1982 and see the crowd get older and older, even when we dominate the comp we struggle to pull a crowd and I really wonder who would care if we were dumped (except for us on this forum) Most locals couldn't give a **** or they would be members and go to games in bigger numbers. Other clubs are in a similar situation but other clubs havn't been the powerhouse we have been since 1970 also I don't care about other clubs I care about us.
I know this opinion won't be popular but 5 years down the track I struggle to see us at Brookvale.
HoldenV8
Journey Man
I've said it before and I'll say it again.....
The NRL would be crazy to try and relocate Manly. Ours is basically the ONLY club representing northern Sydney. We're their only club north of the harbour until you get to Newcastle. Lose that and it opens the door for union, soccer and Aussie rules to move in because you know that if Manly does get forced to move, no other NRL team will take its place, not even North Sydney.
Super League had the right idea when they wanted Sydney represented by north, south, east and west, they just went about it all wrong. As much as the SL war alienated fans, they were smart enough to know not to relocate clubs. Instead they made new ones with the Hunter Mariners and Adelaide Rams. I can understand that the Mariners were folded because Newcastle really wasn't big enough for both them and the Knights. But losing the Rams was dumb IMO and its taken almost 20 years just to regain some of that lost ground.
IMO, new clubs have more of a chance of capturing new fans than a relocated one does. E.g. a new Perth or Adelaide team would be more accepted in those cities than a relocated Manly or Cronulla would.
It doesn't make sense to lose fans in one area just to try and get new fans in another. You keep the ones you already have and then try to add more.
The NRL would be crazy to try and relocate Manly. Ours is basically the ONLY club representing northern Sydney. We're their only club north of the harbour until you get to Newcastle. Lose that and it opens the door for union, soccer and Aussie rules to move in because you know that if Manly does get forced to move, no other NRL team will take its place, not even North Sydney.
Super League had the right idea when they wanted Sydney represented by north, south, east and west, they just went about it all wrong. As much as the SL war alienated fans, they were smart enough to know not to relocate clubs. Instead they made new ones with the Hunter Mariners and Adelaide Rams. I can understand that the Mariners were folded because Newcastle really wasn't big enough for both them and the Knights. But losing the Rams was dumb IMO and its taken almost 20 years just to regain some of that lost ground.
IMO, new clubs have more of a chance of capturing new fans than a relocated one does. E.g. a new Perth or Adelaide team would be more accepted in those cities than a relocated Manly or Cronulla would.
It doesn't make sense to lose fans in one area just to try and get new fans in another. You keep the ones you already have and then try to add more.
Stop making sense! Did you forget you were on Silvertails
HoldenV8
Journey Man
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