Manly's survival

[Rosko]

We're coming 3rd in Harold Mathews and 4th in SG Ball with 3 rounds to go. We're going well in the Juniors

And some of them are even locals.

 

[wombatgc]

This is the story Kenty was going on about tonight on NRL 360. But it’s hidden behind the paywall.

• NRL takes first step on road to relocation of distressed …
  https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-takes-first-step-on...
  22 minutes ago · The ARL Commissions plan to explore expansion has taken another significant twist after it emerged it was locked in discussions with club chairs that could ultimately leave it with unfettered ...

 

[madmax]

Spot on mate.

Funny how there is never any talk out of the AFL that there is too many clubs in Melbourne - they have seven that are all in close proximity, all within about 20mins of each other.

We have the chooks and rabbits next door to each other in an area that has a very rapidly changing demographic to sustain what these clubs need - junors and families.
One of them should be on the agenda for relocation but the have the $$ and power. Will be interesting what the chooks will be like once Uncle Nick falls off his twig.

We have the Dragons, Dogs and Sharks core areas all within 20-30 mins.
The Dogs especially are in a changing demographic also, they pack out Belmore for two games a year but ANZ is a ghost town.
As the Dragons are established in Wollongong they have future proofed themselves very well in my opinion.
The Sharks and/or Dogs should be on the agenda for relocation.

Tigers need to work out if they are from the inner west ( Balmain, Lidcombe, Ashfield ), again a changed demographic in terms of families or the south west ie Campbelltown.
This takes on more importance as the A-League will have a new team there ( Macarthur ) in two years.

Parra whether we like it or not is here to stay - new stadium, is a city unto itself ( kind of ) and easily accessible and identifiable to the masses flocking to the new estates out west.
Penrith safe - juniors, funds, fanbase, geographically well placed.
Manly should be safe - privately owned and the only team north of the city. If the NRL are fair dinkum they'd be nuts to give us up.

To me the Gold Coast doesn't work as most people up there are from NSW - so have their own team they still support - or Brisbane so are begrudgingly Broncos supporters too.
Same reason relocation to the Central Coast won't work and didn't with the Northern Beagles.
People don't generally like to be told who they should support.

In summing up, it should be the Dogs that are candidate no 1 for relocation.

Sharks or Dragons!!!!

 

[madmax]

So how about Sea Eagles, Rabbitohs, Roosters, Tigers, Eels, Panthers, Dragons, Sharks, Bulldogs, Knights, Raiders, Warriors all abandon the NRL, go back to the ARL & bring back Bears, Magpies, Steelers. Jets ( back to traditional rugby league)......Let the Broncos, Storm, Cowboys & Titans stay with the NRL & have Perth Reds, Adelaide Rams, Darwin Crocodiles, Hobart Devils join them for a truly national competition.........

 

[globaleagle]

This is the story Kenty was going on about tonight on NRL 360. But it’s hidden behind the paywall.

• NRL takes first step on road to relocation of distressed …
  https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-takes-first-step-on...
  22 minutes ago · The ARL Commissions plan to explore expansion has taken another significant twist after it emerged it was locked in discussions with club chairs that could ultimately leave it with unfettered ...

By Brent Read

The ARL Commission’s plan to explore expansion has taken another significant twist after it emerged it was locked in discussions with club chairs that could ultimately leave it with unfettered power to demand the relocation of distressed sides.

The Australian understands discussions over perpetual licensing agreements, which have been on hold for more than a year, have resumed in recent weeks just as debate over the relocation of clubs has started to heat up.

While the prospect of perpetual licences — effectively lifetime guarantees — would seem to be counterintuitive to relocation, it is understood as part of any deal, the commission would have more power than at any time in its history to dictate the future of clubs should they hit rocky financial waters.


It is also believed the ARL Commission would have more power to decide the owners of clubs should they be placed up for sale.

Ultimately, it could mean the commission has the power to influence the relocation of a club through a sale between private owners.

Negotiations over perpetual licences began when club chairs and the ARL Commission reached an agreement over the current funding arrangement more than a year ago.

However, they were put on the backburner and only recently were placed back on the table. As it stands, the clubs are only licensed to remain in the competition until the current broadcasting deal ends in 2022.

There is a view among clubs that perpetual licences would increase their value by guaranteeing their future in the competition, an attractive incentive to private owners who could ultimately look to cash in on their asset.

However, the handful of clubs who walk a financial tightrope each year could leave themselves vulnerable if they agree to the new conditions.

Several clubs have been forced to rely on the largesse of the commission in recent years but chairman Peter Beattie and chief executive Todd Greenberg have made it clear on more than one occasion that the commission will no longer support those in need.

Cronulla have been the club at most recent risk, their survival only guaranteed after they were forced to cut costs and rely on loans from directors and private backers. Only yesterday they confirmed a $40 million deal involving the development around their home ground as their long-term saviour, although the commission is likely to keep watching closely as it ponder its options for relocation.

Greenberg is in the process of reviewing expansion with a view to providing recommendations to the commission later this year.

Every avenue is expected to be explored as the game surveys its options, although the promise of perpetual licences will make it impossible for the commission to move any club unless they are under financial stress.

The only other option would be to place a pot of money on the table as an incentive for interested clubs. The NRL previously offered an $8m carrot to clubs to relocate, although it failed to pique any interest in an indication that it would need to up the stakes significantly to convince a club to pack up and move.

Future incentives could be linked to the broadcasting deal. For example, if the broadcasters were willing to pay an extra $50m a year to have a team in Perth and a team in Brisbane, the commission could look to place $20m or more on the table for a club to pack up and shift north and west.

Another option likely to be explored could result in clubs splitting their games between two cities. Wests Tigers, as an example, could be given a financial incentive to share their games between Sydney and Perth.

A host of parties have expressed an interest in housing an NRL franchise should the commission press ahead with expansion plans. It is understood the commission has already told Queensland Cup side Redcliffe to be at the ready in case an existing club falls over.

The mayor of Cairns has also held talks with Beattie and Greenberg as part of a bid that would result in Papua New Guinea joining the NRL.

Brisbane and Perth, however, remain the frontrunners should the NRL decide to expand, either through relocation or the addition of two new licences.

 

[sheridanstand78]

We are about to find out for real if Greenturd and Beatup are either governing for all clubs or just a select few. The proposal to expand the game at the likely expense of a Sydney club or two is a massive threat to the fabric of the game.

I walked on the save South Sydney march in 2000 because it was not just them under threat, we were force into a merger that was never going to walk and for the 3 years of that merger, it remains the most disengaged I ever felt about the game.


The game was founded in this country in this city and the clubs that exist are very much a part of the tribal folklore that has made the game what it is. The NRL should be ensuring the health of the existing clubs first before thinking about expanding. As we know this is all going to be dictated by the next TV deal and it will all about be about profit and ratings over clubs and fans.

I still lament the loss of foundations clubs like Wests, Balmain, Newtown and Norths. So many fans left the game, never to return over those decisions to oust them.

The NRL have learned nothing about ditching clubs!!!

I am in favour of a proposal of having 2 different conferences of 10 teams and having a true home and away season and then it allows for a cup competition to be played potentially and an end to split rounds where there would be time for representative games.

This is the acid test for the leadership of the game, get it wrong and risk more and more alienated fans leaving the game for good.

When are the Sydney clubs going to wake up about the danger that is coming?? Greenturd and Beatup are only interested in a few clubs that generate them money.

I have a simple mindset about this, while there is a team based on Sydney's northern beaches that has a Sea Eagle emblem and wears the Maroon and white colours, I will continue to love and support the game. If our club folds or is relocated, I am prepared to walk away from the game for good.

 

[The Wheel]

If you have been waiting for a reason to join up as a member of the Sea Eagles then this is surely it??

Being a member illustrates the fan base commitment to the club and the game.

Additionally it supports the club b financially so we never will be in a position that Greenturd will have an excuse to target us for relocation!

Stop thinking, get off the fence and join up today. The basic package is approximately $7 per month - if you can afford that follow the link below today!

https://www.seaeagles.com.au/membership/

 

[niccipops]

If you have been waiting for a reason to join up as a member of the Sea Eagles then this is surely it??

Being a member illustrates the fan base commitment to the club and the game.

Additionally it supports the club b financially so we never will be in a position that Greenturd will have an excuse to target us for relocation!

Stop thinking, get off the fence and join up today. The basic package is approximately $7 per month - if you can afford that follow the link below today!

https://www.seaeagles.com.au/membership/

Hey Wheel,
Does the club have the option for fans to become a member at Brookie before, during and after home games? A membership booth could attract fans to join, especially after a win or a real fought to the death game. Throw in something free for those who sign up at the game.
Just wondering.
Go Manly!

 

[skull61]

Just a thought bubble here but maybe this is why Penn doesn’t want to sell yet despite reports of offers to buy the club. They relocate the team pocket the relocation cash then on sell to another party for more than what is being offered now. Plausible?

 

[Fluffy]

I personally feel that no Sydney club should be booted and definitely not Manly. I think there should be a second division and all new teams must start there. Promotion and relegation. Win second division your into the NRL, get the wooden spoon in Nrl then down you go..

For argument sake second division could be a 8-10 team competition. 4 teams from Qld , 2 from nsw ( Bears , Newtown? ) and Perth and a second from NZ. 4 team finals..

Same salary cap?

If so topped up by the NRL by the same amount?

If not then it will simply be who is richest as they will just buy the best players - eg Toronto Wolfpack (sorry GE but they are just buying the comp) until they are in.

 

[The Who]

Just a thought bubble here but maybe this is why Penn doesn’t want to sell yet despite reports of offers to buy the club. They relocate the team pocket the relocation cash then on sell to another party for more than what is being offered now. Plausible?

URM is the/a reported suitor and the owners of that company would not be interested in purchasing if the Sea Eagles were moved, I believe.

 

[skull61]

URM is the/a reported suitor and the owners of that company would not be interested in purchasing if the Sea Eagles were moved, I believe.

What if the consortium was from the place we relocate to

 

[bob dylan]

Why would the clubs agree to anything that could lead to their demise.

The 16 clubs should tell Greensnot to F#%* O*#, as should the fans from all 16 clubs.

The only ones happy about this whole scenario would be the repugnant Bears.

 

[globaleagle]

Why would the clubs agree to anything that could lead to their demise.

The 16 clubs should tell Greensnot to F#%* O*#, as should the fans from all 16 clubs.

The only ones happy about this whole scenario would be the repugnant Bears.

Maybe todd and beatie should have their own kpi's.

5 player scandals and they're out.
7 clubs lose money and they're out
cant find a buyer in 1 year for the remaining nrl owned clubs and they're out
2+ referee mistakes in the game and they're out.
Open their ****ing eyes in the morning, and they're out

 

[The Who]

What if the consortium was from the place we relocate to

Yep. That would be the worry.

 

[Ralphie]

Panthers, Parra, Dogs - endless supply of Pokie money, strong junior leagues
Souths - Croweys deep pockets
Easts- Uncle Nick's brown paper bags
Sharks - soon to be $40mil richer ?
Dragons - foundation club, TWO redeveloped home grounds, 2 leagues clubs ?
Wests Tigers - ???
Manly - ??

Penn & friends pockets are miles deeper than Russell Crowes.

 

[The Wheel]

Hey Wheel,
Does the club have the option for fans to become a member at Brookie before, during and after home games? A membership booth could attract fans to join, especially after a win or a real fought to the death game. Throw in something free for those who sign up at the game.
Just wondering.
Go Manly!

Pre game yes outside the Arko stand entrance

Nothing post game I am aware of - they might set one up in Brookie Pub???

 

[hozza]

Same salary cap?

If so topped up by the NRL by the same amount?

If not then it will simply be who is richest as they will just buy the best players - eg Toronto Wolfpack (sorry GE but they are just buying the comp) until they are in.

No definitely not. Salary cap half, sell 2 games to the broadcasters to help pay for it. Then like you said clubs can’t buy promotion, they have to earn it..

 

[Ralphie]

The below table is population by current or possible team locations. I have assumed that Illawarra Dragons are Wollongong based leaving 8 Sydney only teams. If the intention is to go to the population centres and build then new teams should be established in Perth, Adelaide & NZ South Island. If you are looking to cut teams then the teams that standout with the weakest population are Nth Qld, The Gong & Canberra.

I fully understand that population is not the sole criteria to look at, but it is instructive of the potential for growth. Simple mathematics says you will do better on the Sth Island of NZ than you will in Nth Qld because NZ Sth Island has almost 4.5 times the population. I agree with a prior post that says nothing needs to change in Sydney. The NRL owns Sydney and should be proud of that fact. If it were up to me I would simply add four new teams and let the cards fall as they fall. Perth, Adelaide, NZ Sth Island & a 2nd team in Brisbane. Everyone plays everyone once in the season and there are standalone weekends for SOO and a final 8 series.

If a team get's into financial trouble they get themselves out of it or die.

 

[Moops]

I tend to think a predatory club like the Roosters will spread their territory to include the Northern Beaches of Sydney if Manly are gone. Just a feeling...