The squad takes shape

[Ryan]

The Panthers have by far the biggest junior nursery in the NRL.

Yes they’ve just won a GF, but it did take them a while to get there.

Im not sure you can compare us to them though I think for us it’s a mix between “ bought / developed / developed from the juniors all the way”.

I’m trusting our recruitment and coaching staff to know more than we do.

What I'm saying mate, is they may have players stuck behind the very obvious talent at the top level they already do. So rather than re-signing ageing, slow players that aren't up to the current game, pilfer some of their talent for a change. Bring in some 20-23 year old kids (big, fast, explosive), and blood them / develop them here.

It's about building towards the future. I'm unsure how signing Boyle / Taufua is "building towards the future".

 

[eaglebuzz]

Boyle has had some brilliant games for us, people calling him a plodder seem to be overlooking that. I think he's a depth player personally but he's not terrible depth. Bullemor is a real step in the right direction IMO.

It seems like the social media people are back in the office today, a flurry of announcements!

 

[eaglebuzz]

What I'm saying mate, is they may have players stuck behind the very obvious talent at the top level they already do. So rather than re-signing ageing, slow players that aren't up to the current game, pilfer some of their talent for a change. Bring in some 20-23 year old kids (big, fast, explosive), and blood them / develop them here.

It's about building towards the future. I'm unsure how signing Boyle / Taufua is "building towards the future".

I'm sure that will be happening, whether they get spots in the top 30 or not.
But there are a few open spots still, some of them will be put into the 30 I'd imagine.

 

[The better Robbo]

Wait on. Didn't you say none of our promising juniors would play First Grade next season? So how could "10 or 12 young kids with potential get smashed week in week out"?
Wouldn't they be playing with Blacktown?
And if you'll recall, 10 or 12 of the players in the first NSW Cup match between Blacktown and Norths did end up playing First Grade this season for Manly and Easts.
You never know how injuries and form will play out, and it was proven in 2021.

You mixed up. I said if you had your way we would have 10 or 12 kids in our top 30. Which means when injuries strike we would get smashed every week! Again I'm yet to see anything from any of our youngsters that haven't debuted that says they will be a star. (Other than Latu Fainu)
This is the whole Albert Hoppa debate all over again and we all know how that turned out.

 

[Ryan]

Morgan Boyle - Sea Eagles
Games played: 47
Tries: 1
Offloads: 1
Average Metres: 96 (2017)
Average Metres: 42 (2018)
Average Metres: 55 (2019, 2020)
Average Metres: 48 (2021) - only 2 games, so excluding them
Win percentage: 40%
Tackles Made: 855 (18.19 per game) Tackles Missed: 58 (1.23 per game)
Tackle efficiency: 93%

Last 5 games:
Loss to Panthers: 46 - 6
Loss to Roosters: 46 - 4
Loss to Warriors: 40 - 28
Loss to Titans: 42 - 24
Loss to Warriors: 26 - 22

 

[Karshy]

I think there are variables that a lot of people dont consider when it comes to roster management.

• I believe Top 26 have a min pay base rate of $120k in 2022
• I believe players 27-30 have a min pay base rate of $80k in 2022.
• Veteran and Developed Player Allowance allows for 200k to players who have given 8 years service to a club or 10 years service in the game (we have four 8 year players in DCE, Foz, Jorge and Jrbo). Im not sure if there is a $ cap per player or if it can be used all on one player? (obviously DCE gets it all if it can be used on one player)
• If there is a cap per player, my guess is that Jorge would have part of his pay subsidised by the veteran allowance, freeing up some cap space for strengthening other parts of the roster while also providing depth for us in centre and wing. Can anyone share a name of an experienced outside back that we could pick up for potentially $70k? (assuming min contract of $120k subsidised by veteran status to the tune of $50k)
• Also believe Boyle provides a cheap depth option at the lower end of the pay scale, also probably on min given there are likely 7 middle forwards in front of him. Can anyone share a better middle forward that we could sign for $120k per year?
• I also think the 27-30 spots go to emerging juniors yet to break through.

 

[XV-1]

Bring back Tom Wright from rugby

As Bozo says, speed to burn.

 

[40 years an eagle]

In terms of would they make the other teams..well for Manly they are purely depth players so if you can tell me who the number 26 to 30th players are at these other clubs then we can compare them accurately.

Spot on. Everyone here are also ASSUMING both Horhay and Lance will be in our top 29 paid players come march 1. I'm not saying they won't be, but maybe they won't.

 

[40 years an eagle]

I think there are variables that a lot of people dont consider when it comes to roster management.

• I believe Top 26 have a min pay base rate of $120k in 2022
• I believe players 27-30 have a min pay base rate of $80k in 2022.
• Veteran and Developed Player Allowance allows for 200k to players who have given 8 years service to a club or 10 years service in the game (we have four 8 year players in DCE, Foz, Jorge and Jrbo). Im not sure if there is a $ cap per player or if it can be used all on one player? (obviously DCE gets it all if it can be used on one player)
• If there is a cap per player, my guess is that Jorge would have part of his pay subsidised by the veteran allowance, freeing up some cap space for strengthening other parts of the roster while also providing depth for us in centre and wing. Can anyone share a name of an experienced outside back that we could pick up for potentially $70k? (assuming min contract of $120k subsidised by veteran status to the tune of $50k)
• Also believe Boyle provides a cheap depth option at the lower end of the pay scale, also probably on min given there are likely 7 middle forwards in front of him. Can anyone share a better middle forward that we could sign for $120k per year?
• I also think the 27-30 spots go to emerging juniors yet to break through.

It is irrelevant whose contract the 200k allowance is attributed to. We get 200k on top of the cap and whether it is shared among contracts or goes to a single contract makes zero difference to how it is spent. Just sayin'. I agree regarding Lance.

 

[JakeyB789]

Surely with Marty, Paseka, Aloiai, Keppie, Sipley, Bullemor and De Luis in the squad then Boyle would be lucky to ever see the field, which makes you wonder why we'd re-sign him instead of signing a centre where we only have Parker and Harper with inexperienced guys like Tuipulotu and maybe Burbo or Koula as backups. Unless Jorge has been re-signed to play there which would not work out very well. Maybe Walker will go back to the centres but he has barely played there since 2017 (the year he won Dally M Centre of the Year)

 

[bob dylan]

"Jorge" mate. And like I say, out of all the teams I've listed, which winger would he replace?

Any that are injured.

 

[Disco]

(Honest question, does Boyle or Taufua make a Bunnies, Panthers, Roosters, Eels or Storm teams?)

I mean I agree that I wouldnt have resigned either but the above point makes no sense as neither make our top team either.

 

[maxta]

Surely with Marty, Paseka, Aloiai, Keppie, Sipley, Bullemor and De Luis in the squad then Boyle would be lucky to ever see the field, which makes you wonder why we'd re-sign him instead of signing a centre where we only have Parker and Harper with inexperienced guys like Tuipulotu and maybe Burbo or Koula as backups. Unless Jorge has been re-signed to play there which would not work out very well. Maybe Walker will go back to the centres but he has barely played there since 2017 (the year he won Dally M Centre of the Year)

Don't forget Sione Fainu - think he will be under consideration in 2022 - his style is Very suitable to the modern game

 

[The Who]

These are the players from Blacktown (manly) and Norths (easts) that played in round one of the NSW Cup in 2021. How many can you count who ended up playing an important role in the NRL?

TEAM LISTS​

BACKS​

• Fullback for Sea Eagles is number 1Dylan Smith
  1
  Fullback for Bears is number 1Brad Abbey
• Winger for Sea Eagles is number 18Tim Simona
  182
  Winger for Bears is number 2Matt Ikuvalu
• Centre for Sea Eagles is number 3Christian Tuipulotu
  3
  Centre for Bears is number 3Joseph Suaalii
• Centre for Sea Eagles is number 5Morgan Harper
  54
  Centre for Bears is number 4Tony Satini
• Winger for Sea Eagles is number 21Tevita Funa
  215
  Winger for Bears is number 5Sione Hopoate
• Five-Eighth for Sea Eagles is number 6Brad Keighran
  6
  Five-Eighth for Bears is number 6Sam Walker
• Halfback for Sea Eagles is number 19Josh Schuster
  197
  Halfback for Bears is number 7Drew Hutchison

FORWARDS​

• Prop for Sea Eagles is number 8Kurt De Luis
  8
  Prop for Bears is number 8Tukupa-Ke Hau Tapuha
• Hooker for Sea Eagles is number 9Cade Cust
  920
  Hooker for Bears is number 20Ben Marschke
• Prop for Sea Eagles is number 20Toafofoa Sipley
  2010
  Prop for Bears is number 10Fletcher Baker
• 2nd Row for Sea Eagles is number 11Haumole Olakau'atu
  11
  2nd Row for Bears is number 11Egan Butcher
• 2nd Row for Sea Eagles is number 12Jordin Leiu
  12
  2nd Row for Bears is number 12Naufahu Whyte
• Lock for Sea Eagles is number 13Zac Saddler
  13
  Lock for Bears is number 13Max Bailey

INTERCHANGE​

• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 4Dane Aukafolau
  414
  Interchange for Bears is number 14Coby Thomas
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 10Terrell May
  1015
  Interchange for Bears is number 15Jerry Key
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 14Denzal Tonise
  1416
  Interchange for Bears is number 16Elih Jackson
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 15Francis Laloua-Tui
  1517
  Interchange for Bears is number 17Ben Thomas

 

[Highflier]

These are the players from Blacktown (manly) and Norths (easts) that played in round one of the NSW Cup in 2021. How many can you count who ended up playing an important role in the NRL?

TEAM LISTS​

BACKS​

• Fullback for Sea Eagles is number 1Dylan Smith
  1
  Fullback for Bears is number 1Brad Abbey
• Winger for Sea Eagles is number 18Tim Simona
  182
  Winger for Bears is number 2Matt Ikuvalu
• Centre for Sea Eagles is number 3Christian Tuipulotu
  3
  Centre for Bears is number 3Joseph Suaalii
• Centre for Sea Eagles is number 5Morgan Harper
  54
  Centre for Bears is number 4Tony Satini
• Winger for Sea Eagles is number 21Tevita Funa
  215
  Winger for Bears is number 5Sione Hopoate
• Five-Eighth for Sea Eagles is number 6Brad Keighran
  6
  Five-Eighth for Bears is number 6Sam Walker
• Halfback for Sea Eagles is number 19Josh Schuster
  197
  Halfback for Bears is number 7Drew Hutchison

FORWARDS​

• Prop for Sea Eagles is number 8Kurt De Luis
  8
  Prop for Bears is number 8Tukupa-Ke Hau Tapuha
• Hooker for Sea Eagles is number 9Cade Cust
  920
  Hooker for Bears is number 20Ben Marschke
• Prop for Sea Eagles is number 20Toafofoa Sipley
  2010
  Prop for Bears is number 10Fletcher Baker
• 2nd Row for Sea Eagles is number 11Haumole Olakau'atu
  11
  2nd Row for Bears is number 11Egan Butcher
• 2nd Row for Sea Eagles is number 12Jordin Leiu
  12
  2nd Row for Bears is number 12Naufahu Whyte
• Lock for Sea Eagles is number 13Zac Saddler
  13
  Lock for Bears is number 13Max Bailey

INTERCHANGE​

• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 4Dane Aukafolau
  414
  Interchange for Bears is number 14Coby Thomas
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 10Terrell May
  1015
  Interchange for Bears is number 15Jerry Key
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 14Denzal Tonise
  1416
  Interchange for Bears is number 16Elih Jackson
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 15Francis Laloua-Tui
  1517
  Interchange for Bears is number 17Ben Thomas

12 or 13 I guess

 

[Rocky]

Surely with Marty, Paseka, Aloiai, Keppie, Sipley, Bullemor and De Luis in the squad then Boyle would be lucky to ever see the field, which makes you wonder why we'd re-sign him instead of signing a centre where we only have Parker and Harper with inexperienced guys like Tuipulotu and maybe Burbo or Koula as backups. Unless Jorge has been re-signed to play there which would not work out very well. Maybe Walker will go back to the centres but he has barely played there since 2017 (the year he won Dally M Centre of the Year)

Fair point but i guess we were caught short during this season with our prop depth at one stage

 

[Disco]

Okay so firstly I personally wouldn't have resigned either but I'm not going to throw my toys out of the cot over it.

We arent on the inside so there could be method to the madness.

Both are only for a year so maybe the thought is keep the kids on a development contracts (Tuitavake, S Fainu, Weekes) whilst they haven't played games in a while and opt for a steady hand for a year?

Maybe Taufua is a role model to the younger polynesian guys, a great clubman and worth his weight in gold for club culture?

Maybe the idea with say Jorge is to have his contract expire the same time as Martys 850k backended deal so we have 950k to pick up say Stefano on 600k and a 350k back?

Maybe we decided Josh Feledy at 18 will be a go and better to have Jorge to warm the seat for a year then to sign someone else on a multi year deal?

Exactly the same with Boyle and Tuitavake?

Maybe Des sees Jorge being a solid backup centre, he did play there most of the year?

Maybe we decided with Saab, Koula, Tuipulotu, Schuster, Feledy, Fainu, Fainu, Fainu, Fainu, Weekes, B Trbojevic, Humphries, Keppie, Olakau'atu, Birt, Paseka, Tuitavake etc we have enough hot young talent come through at varying stages and we wanted some steady experiend hands...then when we looked for stady experienced hands that would take a one year deal on minimum coing we realised its better the devil you know?

Who knows???

Also final point, Boyle is better than De Luis and no way I see De Luis being in our top 30 next year

 

[StuBoot]

These are the players from Blacktown (manly) and Norths (easts) that played in round one of the NSW Cup in 2021. How many can you count who ended up playing an important role in the NRL?

TEAM LISTS​

BACKS​

• Fullback for Sea Eagles is number 1Dylan Smith
  1
  Fullback for Bears is number 1Brad Abbey
• Winger for Sea Eagles is number 18Tim Simona
  182
  Winger for Bears is number 2Matt Ikuvalu
• Centre for Sea Eagles is number 3Christian Tuipulotu
  3
  Centre for Bears is number 3Joseph Suaalii
• Centre for Sea Eagles is number 5Morgan Harper
  54
  Centre for Bears is number 4Tony Satini
• Winger for Sea Eagles is number 21Tevita Funa
  215
  Winger for Bears is number 5Sione Hopoate
• Five-Eighth for Sea Eagles is number 6Brad Keighran
  6
  Five-Eighth for Bears is number 6Sam Walker
• Halfback for Sea Eagles is number 19Josh Schuster
  197
  Halfback for Bears is number 7Drew Hutchison

FORWARDS​

• Prop for Sea Eagles is number 8Kurt De Luis
  8
  Prop for Bears is number 8Tukupa-Ke Hau Tapuha
• Hooker for Sea Eagles is number 9Cade Cust
  920
  Hooker for Bears is number 20Ben Marschke
• Prop for Sea Eagles is number 20Toafofoa Sipley
  2010
  Prop for Bears is number 10Fletcher Baker
• 2nd Row for Sea Eagles is number 11Haumole Olakau'atu
  11
  2nd Row for Bears is number 11Egan Butcher
• 2nd Row for Sea Eagles is number 12Jordin Leiu
  12
  2nd Row for Bears is number 12Naufahu Whyte
• Lock for Sea Eagles is number 13Zac Saddler
  13
  Lock for Bears is number 13Max Bailey

INTERCHANGE​

• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 4Dane Aukafolau
  414
  Interchange for Bears is number 14Coby Thomas
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 10Terrell May
  1015
  Interchange for Bears is number 15Jerry Key
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 14Denzal Tonise
  1416
  Interchange for Bears is number 16Elih Jackson
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 15Francis Laloua-Tui
  1517
  Interchange for Bears is number 17Ben Thomas

Depends on what you define as an important role.

The obvious ones for us are Harper, Guac and Schu but you could argue that Toff and DeLuis played important roles when called upon but to a lesser extent.
Cust and Tuna were used very sparingly.

When you look at the chooks/bears - as their year turned out the major ones were
Ikavalu, Walker, Hutchison and also Marschke and the Butcher and the Baker

Tony Satini, now there's a player that I thought would kick on but....

 

[NZEaglesFan]

Fair point but i guess we were caught short during this season with our prop depth at one stage

I thought we would have learnt from this year, never doubt Des, as he knows best.

 

[Disco]

These are the players from Blacktown (manly) and Norths (easts) that played in round one of the NSW Cup in 2021. How many can you count who ended up playing an important role in the NRL?

TEAM LISTS​

BACKS​

• Fullback for Sea Eagles is number 1Dylan Smith
  1
  Fullback for Bears is number 1Brad Abbey
• Winger for Sea Eagles is number 18Tim Simona
  182
  Winger for Bears is number 2Matt Ikuvalu
• Centre for Sea Eagles is number 3Christian Tuipulotu
  3
  Centre for Bears is number 3Joseph Suaalii
• Centre for Sea Eagles is number 5Morgan Harper
  54
  Centre for Bears is number 4Tony Satini
• Winger for Sea Eagles is number 21Tevita Funa
  215
  Winger for Bears is number 5Sione Hopoate
• Five-Eighth for Sea Eagles is number 6Brad Keighran
  6
  Five-Eighth for Bears is number 6Sam Walker
• Halfback for Sea Eagles is number 19Josh Schuster
  197
  Halfback for Bears is number 7Drew Hutchison

FORWARDS​

• Prop for Sea Eagles is number 8Kurt De Luis
  8
  Prop for Bears is number 8Tukupa-Ke Hau Tapuha
• Hooker for Sea Eagles is number 9Cade Cust
  920
  Hooker for Bears is number 20Ben Marschke
• Prop for Sea Eagles is number 20Toafofoa Sipley
  2010
  Prop for Bears is number 10Fletcher Baker
• 2nd Row for Sea Eagles is number 11Haumole Olakau'atu
  11
  2nd Row for Bears is number 11Egan Butcher
• 2nd Row for Sea Eagles is number 12Jordin Leiu
  12
  2nd Row for Bears is number 12Naufahu Whyte
• Lock for Sea Eagles is number 13Zac Saddler
  13
  Lock for Bears is number 13Max Bailey

INTERCHANGE​

• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 4Dane Aukafolau
  414
  Interchange for Bears is number 14Coby Thomas
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 10Terrell May
  1015
  Interchange for Bears is number 15Jerry Key
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 14Denzal Tonise
  1416
  Interchange for Bears is number 16Elih Jackson
• Interchange for Sea Eagles is number 15Francis Laloua-Tui
  1517
  Interchange for Bears is number 17Ben Thomas

I go at 11