Moops
Bencher
Then we would have been in the same shiite as we are in now. But anyway, let's just enjoy today's game, watching Tommy carry DCE on his back. Kind of reminds me of the Thunderdome scene...
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Mac Man
Reserve Grader
We have about 400 Des Haslers in here. I think some of you must be first grade coaches somewhere.
The only concern I have is depth at the club but like manly seem to roll is we have our highs and then lows due to injuries. The club built some amazing youth talent in 2011 and as always the talent rose in pay and then left to go elsewhere for more money or stayed on upgraded salaries. That's the name of the game (without paper bags anyway).
DCE has always divided opinions, but I am happy he is with the club and will trust the club with their roster management as they have showed we do have some amazing juniors coming through but are a few years away yet.
But dishing out on our premiership winning captain for his pay packet is ridiculous, maybe some of you need to go back to the bad old days when we had no rep halves (Luke Dorn anybody) and were merged with North Sydney to appreciate where we are today.
The only concern I have is depth at the club but like manly seem to roll is we have our highs and then lows due to injuries. The club built some amazing youth talent in 2011 and as always the talent rose in pay and then left to go elsewhere for more money or stayed on upgraded salaries. That's the name of the game (without paper bags anyway).
DCE has always divided opinions, but I am happy he is with the club and will trust the club with their roster management as they have showed we do have some amazing juniors coming through but are a few years away yet.
But dishing out on our premiership winning captain for his pay packet is ridiculous, maybe some of you need to go back to the bad old days when we had no rep halves (Luke Dorn anybody) and were merged with North Sydney to appreciate where we are today.
Simonmyers11
First Grader
I don't care if dce plays good or ****, I just want a win. Game is tomorrow.
Moops
Bencher
And where are we today? Lower-mid table at best...
Moops
Bencher
All good Simon. We all see different things. Go Manly!
Perspective time
Let us look at the options for letting DCE go
Mbye could not establish a place in the halves
Sezer out cast in the UK
Hastings out cast in the UK
Jack Bird could not establish a place in the halves
Corey Norman a journey man that brought no joy to the clubs he played
Milford we all know how well he has been going .
Hunt and Brookes at the time were contracted to their club
As I said before ... it is all about supply and demand
and at the time of his contract the elite DCE was in demand
Now let us stop this nonsense and sing along
All together now !
Money, money, money
Must be funny
In DCE's world
Money, money, money
Always sunny
In DCE's world
All the things I could do
If I had a little money
In DCE's world
Mac Man
Reserve Grader
Certainly beats watching the Northern Eagles - We have put the most points on Penrith of any team this year. This side is capable of beating any team if it is full strength and actually had a hooker playing.
Lets hope for a big win tomorrow.
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I agree with you. Dce alone is not the reason we haven’t won premierships, one player cant do that (hence the criticism for his salary).
The only reason i’ve been annoyed at dce over the years is that he can’t really lead a team to turn momentum and has looked clueless at times with the ball in hand (especially early this season where I felt he was single handedly squandering our attack). I know he can’t win us games alone.
He has been one of our best in 2017, 2019, parts of early 2020. But he has been meh-to-bad in 2016, 2018 and by the end of 2020. The only accurate way would be to go back through the threads and see the common sentiment at the time but one thing for sure is that he hasn’t consistently been the best, nor value for money. 2021 is a chance to change that and he is making great progress in returning to his former self on the field
To be fair, we haven’t had that many good players over the years to compete, so when he has been our best it still hasn’t impressed me enough like a player on his wage should (personally i think no player in the nrl is close to worth that)
The only reason i’ve been annoyed at dce over the years is that he can’t really lead a team to turn momentum and has looked clueless at times with the ball in hand (especially early this season where I felt he was single handedly squandering our attack). I know he can’t win us games alone.
He has been one of our best in 2017, 2019, parts of early 2020. But he has been meh-to-bad in 2016, 2018 and by the end of 2020. The only accurate way would be to go back through the threads and see the common sentiment at the time but one thing for sure is that he hasn’t consistently been the best, nor value for money. 2021 is a chance to change that and he is making great progress in returning to his former self on the field
To be fair, we haven’t had that many good players over the years to compete, so when he has been our best it still hasn’t impressed me enough like a player on his wage should (personally i think no player in the nrl is close to worth that)
Mac Man
Reserve Grader
Go the Sea Eagles - Cant doubt any of our supporters passion for this club. We all wear our hearts on our sleeves or singlets if you chose that 🙂
Moops
Bencher
Put those players in the Melbourne system though and watch them go. Brooks would probably be playing SOO under Bellamy! I have often wondered whether it would have turned out better for Milford had he stayed at Canberra. Jack Bird was an absolute gun but injuries crueled him (arthritic condition).
frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
Actual unbiased assessment of positives and negatives.... you sure it was ST that you meant to post that sh^t on?
I love how all the justification of DCE is based around 2011 and 2013 GF's. That was 8 years ago almost and we all know the quality of that side. The bone of contention here is his current contract and that started in 2016, so at least let's discuss his performances since then. Forget what happened in 2011 and 2013 because is so long ago it's not relevant, he hasn't looked anything like that player so it's pointless referencing that as what he can possibly bring to the table. That was a completely different environment than he is currently in, he needs to perform with what he has been contracted to perform with.
And comparing what was on the market back then to what may have been available in the interim is also disingenuous. I wouldn't have had an issue with the club signing him to the richest deal in the game for maybe up to 4 years, but that 8 year deal was ridiculous. Who knows who we could have enticed to the club in the meantime had we had the opportunity. It's all sliding doors moments, but Cleary has northern beaches connections, Nicho Hynes was in our system, who's to say Sam Walker doesn't end up here ?? We don't know because we aren't in the market for a half. Also absolutely no hope of developing a young half of our own because no one is going to hang around knowing they have to wait for DCE's lifetime deal to expire before they get a shot.
Saying it's not his fault the club paid him that money I kind of get, but you can't have it both ways and complain that we don't have the cattle around him to make him shine - we don't have the talent or the depth because he is the highest paid player in the league and hamstrings our salary cap.
If you are being paid as the highest paid player in the league you need to bringing more to the table than the inconsistency DCE has provided over the years. On his day a great player and we all know he can kick a field goal, but finals footy is where it is at and he ain't delivering. We are no hope of making a GF this year even if Tommy stays fit. That leaves him 2 years to get us to the big dance and prove he was worth the coin. I can't see it happening, but I hope I'm wrong.
The club took a gamble on his contract that he would be a marquee player that would make us a dominant side for an extended period. That gamble hasn't paid off, not DCE's fault necessarily but pretending that he was worth the money is something I just don't get. He just isn't the best player in the NRL and paying him money for 8 years that says he is the best player has screwed us.
And comparing what was on the market back then to what may have been available in the interim is also disingenuous. I wouldn't have had an issue with the club signing him to the richest deal in the game for maybe up to 4 years, but that 8 year deal was ridiculous. Who knows who we could have enticed to the club in the meantime had we had the opportunity. It's all sliding doors moments, but Cleary has northern beaches connections, Nicho Hynes was in our system, who's to say Sam Walker doesn't end up here ?? We don't know because we aren't in the market for a half. Also absolutely no hope of developing a young half of our own because no one is going to hang around knowing they have to wait for DCE's lifetime deal to expire before they get a shot.
Saying it's not his fault the club paid him that money I kind of get, but you can't have it both ways and complain that we don't have the cattle around him to make him shine - we don't have the talent or the depth because he is the highest paid player in the league and hamstrings our salary cap.
If you are being paid as the highest paid player in the league you need to bringing more to the table than the inconsistency DCE has provided over the years. On his day a great player and we all know he can kick a field goal, but finals footy is where it is at and he ain't delivering. We are no hope of making a GF this year even if Tommy stays fit. That leaves him 2 years to get us to the big dance and prove he was worth the coin. I can't see it happening, but I hope I'm wrong.
The club took a gamble on his contract that he would be a marquee player that would make us a dominant side for an extended period. That gamble hasn't paid off, not DCE's fault necessarily but pretending that he was worth the money is something I just don't get. He just isn't the best player in the NRL and paying him money for 8 years that says he is the best player has screwed us.
Simonmyers11
First Grader
Only Smith, Cronk and Teddy really have been consistently good over the past 5 years and worth their pay packet. They also played in fully stacked successful clubs. I don't think many players in the game have the skills to turn a game on its head, especially if the team is getting dominated. Maybe Turbo, Teddy and Munster the exception. Grant also could be something special. Cleary also looks lost at times when his team is getting smashed. DCE has been in the top 3 halves in the game consistently over the past 5 years, but needs even more consistently I agree. Not worth 1.2 but it is what it is.
Simonmyers11
First Grader
No one player can win you a premiership! Name a half that has guided his team to consistent success and GF with half the spine missing and injury plagued for a lot of those years. Thurston is regarded as one of the greats yet only won one grandfinal and miss many final series
frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
Agree with much of what you say CnC but, as you know, I reckon his effort is ALWAYS there...
I mention the GFs because you want a half that performs in the big moments and, unlike many, Chez has proven time and again that he does that...
Moops
Bencher
They only mentioned the duds. Just having a two minute internet search - Cam Munster was only a spring chicken around that time. Jerome Laui was in the Panthers Holden Cup team. How come these two weren't mentioned as possible recruits along with Norman, mbye, Milford and co?
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frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
Doubt you could have matched the drizzle offer... Who was the last player they lost that they wanted to keep? The 13 at GC is the only one I can think of and he was hardly critical...
Moops
Bencher
$750k as a 20 year old back in 2015? He may have been tempted...
Just making the point that there were options apart from the duds mentioned. Didnt fit the narrative I suppose...
Thanks to the great work by @mosto this is possible!
2020 – DCE voted Silvertails MVP
2019 - DCE voted 3rd in MVP (behind AFB and Jake)
2018 – DCE voted 2nd in MVP (behind Jake)
2017 – DCE voted Silvertails MVP
2016 – DCE not placed (winners were 1st Jake, then Turbo, Lussick, I couldn’t find the final standings)
2015 – DCE voted 3rd in MVP (behind Jake and Snake)
frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
Storm signed him for 3 years in 2014... he was never on the market...
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