agree with those 2 in the team ,I reckon even a few of the STs genii could coach em to week 2 or 3 of the finals at least !!!
The Anthony Seibold Grievances MEGA THREAD
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frank stokes
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Liam Martin is just an out-and-out game changer... he is like a f*cking cheat code some games...
That catching the bomb on the run and passing in one motion almost to Lindsay Collins was/is ridiculous for a forward... he reminds me of a bloke called Beaver...
(calm down, I did NOT say he was as good as Beaver lol)..
I think our consistency under Seibold is possibly our strongest asset.
The difference between our best game and worst game is negligible.
We are consistently ok/good.
Credit to Seibs that he has acknowledged his mistake from the Souths game a brought Humphreys in.
I've said Ima few timesI dont think Humphreys is a star prospect but he is a halfback and Ive faith he will contribute.
Would have been easy to be stubborn but Seibs adapted.
I've said Ima few timesI dont think Humphreys is a star prospect but he is a halfback and Ive faith he will contribute.
Would have been easy to be stubborn but Seibs adapted.
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Nordburg
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I’m no Seibold fan,but the fact the team’s biggest loss this season is only by 14 and there were extenuating circumstances for that margin,would suggest he’s built a bit of fight or resilience into the side,even if some of the defence at times can be questionable
The best guide to a coach is how the "players" buy in and fight on the field.
Personally have seen no white flags and even uninspiring games the players have played the 80 minutes with effort
A couple of the interviews with Seibold have been polished in the "boring cliche type 1 liners", but that's probably 80% of coaches
I have seen some times a lack of aggression and intimidation and thought the coach could maybe have the players more fired up, but then other games they have outmuscled more fancied opponents
Also some of our lessor performances in 2024 have been key players not stepping up and it's not "always" the coaches fault when teams lack energy, there are professional sports ppl and yes it's the coaches job to help get players "up" for a game, but I have seen games more of the issue has been the players including the stars on the big bucks....the coach is not playing the game
It can't be every loss on Seibold but the wins it's all because of the players
It's a combination of both being on song
As for Seibold, I certainly don't rate him a Top 3 NRL coach, but this season he rates a 6-7 out of 10 imo
Personally have seen no white flags and even uninspiring games the players have played the 80 minutes with effort
A couple of the interviews with Seibold have been polished in the "boring cliche type 1 liners", but that's probably 80% of coaches
I have seen some times a lack of aggression and intimidation and thought the coach could maybe have the players more fired up, but then other games they have outmuscled more fancied opponents
Also some of our lessor performances in 2024 have been key players not stepping up and it's not "always" the coaches fault when teams lack energy, there are professional sports ppl and yes it's the coaches job to help get players "up" for a game, but I have seen games more of the issue has been the players including the stars on the big bucks....the coach is not playing the game
It can't be every loss on Seibold but the wins it's all because of the players
It's a combination of both being on song
As for Seibold, I certainly don't rate him a Top 3 NRL coach, but this season he rates a 6-7 out of 10 imo
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And you credit Seibold with that?
We have a very good roster.
DCE is in career best form. Saab is getting better every day. Koula has a lot of development still but is a walk up for most NRL sides. Garrick on the wing is a very good player. Brooks is quality. Hamole is a beast. we have the team to do much much better than we are. Yet we are happy with seibold? What is Seibold actually doing with this side other than treading water?
frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
So if we finish top 4 it will be because of our players/roster and nothing to do with Seibs but if we miss the 8 (I presume) it is all on the coach?
Seems like Seibs cant win because he was not an "approved" signing...
Personally I feel we are going alright considering our injuries this year, we have knocked off a lot of the top teams (which has been an issue for years) and it seems that the team's efforts are generally a lot more consistent than last year - so we are heading in the right direction...
short of the Lodge signing (and the Schu extension) I am also pretty happy with the club's roster decisions since Seibs came on board...
It aint perfect but for me Manly is travelling better than it has for a looonnngg time...
Season Report cards come out at the end of the season my feathered friend
7 out of 10 is very generous considering we have been Inconsistently on the border of the top 8
We have a top 8 team and top 8 is expectations
Over achieving and acceding expectations is top 4
Legendary Manly Status is a Grand final win
Seibold has the opportunity to gain Legendary Manly status
We all wish him luck
We all want Manly to Win
Happiness is Manly Winning
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long time? We made a semi final with rag tag bunch of misfits in 2019 minus Turbo. 2020 was covid year and the competition was completely changed when it came back. we had a tough win over the stacked roosters in round 2 and then it was shut down. 2021 we made the prelim final and had turbos 2 disallowed tries fallen our way we could have been in the big dance. 2022 again Turbo and injuries followed by rainbow gate cooked our season.
so when you say a looooonnnngggg time do you mean 2022 and 2023 because for me we are no where near a 2021 level or even a 2019 fighting spirit and could very well miss the finals again even after beating some top sides ( that i must say are no where near the strength as past years). what then?
Grand Final Wins are the end of all grievance at Manly
There is no other cure
Winning is only The Manly Way !
and we would not have it any other way
Sing with me my Passionate Manly feathered friends
All together now !
Those were the days, my feathered friends
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and NEVER LOSE !
There is no other cure
Winning is only The Manly Way !
and we would not have it any other way
Sing with me my Passionate Manly feathered friends
All together now !
Those were the days, my feathered friends
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and NEVER LOSE !
frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
2021 we had a rampaging Tom that got us to the finals but we were not competitive against the top teams that year and whilst we towelled up the roosters in week 2 of the finals their starting halves were Lachie Lam and Drew Hutchison... enough said... we were smashed in the other finals games by Bunnies and Drizzle...
2019 was a much better year and one that I would compare to this year because we were gritty and competitive...
then Manase stabbed a bloke, Api left, Addin left, Schuster (f*cking Schuster), coaches, rainbows.... 5 years may not seem long to you but to a bloke as passionate about this club as I am (not implying you are not), and with where we have been heading, it seems like a f*cking eternity to me...
Seibs seems to be getting some stability back and I disagree that the top sides we have beaten are/were not strong - Rorters had full squad R2, Riff only missing Cleary R5 and Drizzle only missing Munster... yes, Cleary and Munster are great players but they have been out most the year yet those teams are 1 and 2 on the table...
I am happy to give Seibs (and Mestrov) the benefit for now but time, and results, will tell... We cannot keep swapping coaches for fun and thinking that bringing a "supercoach" in will somehow miraculously fix all the club's issues...
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Not according to this Fox article Sea Eagles unleash DCE heir amid Turbo backflip; silver lining to Eels hell — Teams Talking Points that describes him so: "Incoming coach Wayne Bennett has reportedly recruited the rising star..."
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I see your point but for me (I too am as passionate as they come) This season has been a disappointment just as last year was.
I feel you may have answered a question i didn't ask yet beautifully illustrates why i see the last 2 years so poorly.
"then Manase stabbed a bloke, Api left, Addin left, Schuster (f*cking Schuster), coaches, rainbows"
AND HAMSTRINGS
AND DW DV Case\AND.....
Look at what we had to deal with from 2019 - 2022. your list says it all yet we still made a Semi and Prelim. Both of which were very winnable. Jakes sin bin screwed us in 2019 and Toms 2 non tries and a big helping of Luck helped the bunnies in 2021.
And personally there is no way Penrith, Storm , souths or Rooters are anywhere near the sides they were from 2019 - 2022.
We need more from Seibold. He has the troops and talent in there to be a top 4 side. We lack leadership. we lack basic coaching. we lack the fire sometimes. we look to be a really DUMB side sometimes. He needs to do better. he needs to give us more. Trust me i hope he does but at this very point he's a downgrade on what we had before and that says a lot about Mestrov and club.
47MVEagle
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We had pretty much the same roster last year & it wasn't happening but that doesn't really matter as I suspect your criticism is due to a personal dislike of Siebold as opposed to any constructive assessment.
LeonardCohen
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I have defended Seibold and put our middle of the road form down to our average pack but one thing I am not a fan of, is the expansive style we play. I know we are in front of St Merge on the ladder (1 point) and they've been flogged many more times than Manly but I can't help but wonder what could happen at Manly if we had a coach that demanded the side play tough and physical. St Merge have a really ordinary squad but are going toe for toe with us for a finals spot. With our superior roster and abundance of natural talent, I wonder if we'd benefit from a different 'style' of coach; one that keeps things simple and values the effort plays over 'using our weapons' and 'transitions' and what not. That type of coaching is what turns average players in quality first graders; it's the Wayne Bennett/Mark Nichols model.
Ron E. Gibbs
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Playing devil's advocate here, because I think players are generally more culpable than coaches, but has that not coincided with Seibold's arrival at the club? Same with the development of Saab and Koula, and the arrival of Brooks?
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100% wrong. I have no grudge against Seibold. I have an issue with replacing a coach with another that was not an upgrade. In the end Des went sure but to replace him with a guy surrounded by failure and expecting anything different was crazy.
once i got over the replacement i was looking forward with excitement to see what Seibold had to offer. unfortunately not much so far.
we didn't even look at the young up and comers coaches in the storm/roosters/penrith systems. we didn't look at the older successful coaches. We went with a guy that couldn't get a job in Rugby league to save himself.
Perhaps some of you are just happy with middle of the road? well congratulations thats what you have now.
Really? sorry supercoach. I will disappear into the stands to learn more about this apparently complex game.
frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
2019 feels/felt like a lost opportunity... 2021 felt like we were best-of-the-rest with the best-player-in-the-comp...
For me 2019 is the outlier in a decade of disappointment... I actually feel like we ARE back being competitive this year and Seibs has got them competing and hunting as a pack again... Dragons game, last 20min of Raiders game and a 20min period against Finns are probs the exceptions (not counting the vermin game where we had all our top players out)...
We are a win-and-a-half away from being 3rd on the table and we have shown that we are capable of beating the 2 standout teams this year (3 if you include rorters)... regardless of whether they are as good as past years, THIS year we have shown we CAN beat them come September...
Given the constant injuries and rarely having the same team in back-to-back rounds, I reckon our "dud" coach has got our squad up for it and we are a real chance in the back half of the season if we can just keep blokes on the park (and Tom is not as badly injured as he looked last week)...
LeonardCohen
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Not trying to be smart here just enjoy a healthy discussion…I disagree with this notion.
I think beating the likes of Penrith and the Roosters in the early rounds of the competition is nothing like trying to beat them in September.
Last year the Tigers beat Penrith in the early rounds but I don’t believe they would have done the same thing if they’d met Penrith in the finals series.
There’s an old saying that Premierships aren’t won in March and that’s because it can take the best sides a good 2/3 of the season before they prime themselves for a shot at the title. Further, teams like Penrith have big game experience and are going to have the edge under pressure. It’ll take a monumental effort from Manly to even compete against the likes of Melbourne, Penrith and the Roosters when the whips are cracking.
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