The Anthony Seibold Grievances MEGA THREAD

[maxta]

Seibold has been far better about accountability and expectations from the side, which I think is a big tick in his favour....the excuses are fewer and expectation higher, which is good.
He also has had the side up for important games like Friday vs the Dogs and other games against more fancied opposition in 2024.
The Croker option is something I will never get, especially how much smoother the attack flowed with Simpkin at 9, but noticed Croker actually got out more vs Dogs to engage the markers and jet his forwards over that advantage line.....though threw a couple of stinkers, including a forward pass to Tom T to kill the momentum....thing is, Seibold is a huge fan and while Croker is healthy, he will always be our starting hooker and defensively is pretty strong in the middle....
Looking forward to a big game Sunday and hopefully Manly again dominate that middle, which will put pressure on Hynes who is still down on confidence.

 

[JakeyB789]

Been on and off about Seibold (much like our team's performances under him) but he absolutely nailed that team list on Friday. Starting with Lodge was a masterstroke and making the tough but absolutely correct call in leaving out Burbo showed he can make the right decisions even if it's not so popular with Tom/Jake and the rest of the playing group.. I don't think he'd do the same with Croker at this point but I like how much more adaptable he's been lately, especially compared to De$

My main concern with him and the current administration is how much we've leveraged away our future to try and get the success with this current group right now. And I can understand that given he's trying to get the results now to earn an extension. But given this we should be looking to make a deep finals run which is on the cards for us now if we want it. If we do have some success over the next month, I've no problems with him getting a multi year extension so we could actually build a roster for success beyond the next 3+ years, after DCE and Jake (and potentially Tom) are gone. I'll add he's done very well in bringing Lehi through and keeping him in the side, would just like to see us actually sign some players for next year (there's a gaping hole with Lawton leaving), and not see more of these highly wrapped juniors coming through the system playing for other clubs.

 

[The Who]

Surely the $800,000 Shoe Salary Saving gives us some money to compete for a decent 2025 signing.
I know we've not been mentioned in the media about chasing any established players, but it wouldn't surprise me if we've quietly put in a call to RCB to see if he'd be interested in crossing to the bright side. Or even NAS.
We'd love a new hyphenator, especially a damaging forward.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I don't disagree conceptually, and I agree it was time to part company with De$$ie, but Seibold is a failed Donkey's coach so is under suspicion from the get go. I have seen very little from him to suggest he is a Premiership winning coach, rather I suspect he is a Premiership standard BS artist.

Correct you on one thing there ( and I know personally due to my contacts when I was contracting to them).

Seibold isn’t a failed Broncos coach at all , he was set up to fail , it was a concerted effort by the Broncos old boys who were pissed that their mate Kevvie didn’t get the job.

Those in the firing line were the CEO ( now gone ) and the coach ( Seibold ).

As soon as he was appointed they started undermining him , they are hugely influential ( the old boys ) with the staff & the players.

The players were coerced to not perform, a spoon the ideal way to get rid of the coach. Remember the now sacked CEO made the call, without reference to the old boys ( this created the situation).

Seibold was on a hiding to nothing !!

I don’t mind you not liking him, and preferring Des , and believe me I’m not thinking he ( Seibold ) is a coaching god but I think it’s harsh to call him a failed Broncos coach when in fact he was absolutely shafted from the get go and never had a chance of success.

And the then immediate appointment of Walter’s , tells you that what I’m saying isn’t bull****.

I assure you my contact ( now very high up in their major competitor ) was in the upper echelon of management at the Donkeys at the time and saw it all happening first hand.

You can choose to believe this , or not , that’s your call.

 

[Sheikheagle]

To be honest i am over the constant seibold bashing. I reckon he is doing a fair job and the team has definitely improved under his watch.

 

[HK_Eagle]

The Croker option is something I will never get, especially how much smoother the attack flowed with Simpkin at 9, but noticed Croker actually got out more vs Dogs to engage the markers and jet his forwards over that advantage line.....though threw a couple of stinkers, including a forward pass to Tom T to kill the momentum....thing is, Seibold is a huge fan and while Croker is healthy, he will always be our starting hooker and defensively is pretty strong in the middle....

Yep, it seemed quite clear to me as well that Croker was attempting to step out of dummy half and trying to engage the markers more against the doggies… thus, that stinker forward pass to Turbo. I’m not sure if he will persist with this moving forward or how long it will take him to develop that part of his game… perhaps a bit late in the season (and his hooking career for that matter)?

 

[StuBoot]

Surely the $800,000 Shoe Salary Saving gives us some money to compete for a decent 2025 signing.
I know we've not been mentioned in the media about chasing any established players, but it wouldn't surprise me if we've quietly put in a call to RCB to see if he'd be interested in crossing to the bright side. Or even NAS.
We'd love a new hyphenator, especially a damaging forward.

No one (in the media) saw us signing Brooks, that was well and truly kept under wraps so we could be chasing someone but just don't know it.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Yep, it seemed quite clear to me as well that Croker was attempting to step out of dummy half and trying to engage the markers more against the doggies… thus, that stinker forward pass to Turbo. I’m not sure if he will persist with this moving forward or how long it will take him to develop that part of his game… perhaps a bit late in the season (and his hooking career for that matter)?

I admire Froggy for what he’s done , and where he’s come from to get to this point but it’s clear that we do lack a proper hooker.

Simpkin is great but isn’t defensively as good as Froggy.

Dunno where from here.

 

[Chunkytuna]

Yep, it seemed quite clear to me as well that Croker was attempting to step out of dummy half and trying to engage the markers more against the doggies… thus, that stinker forward pass to Turbo. I’m not sure if he will persist with this moving forward or how long it will take him to develop that part of his game… perhaps a bit late in the season (and his hooking career for that matter)?

I just think we need Simpkin in the side as a back up. I reckon the game these days is too hectic for one dummy half to do an entire game - especially when it comes to finals where the pace picks up another notch again! Croker to start. Bust his arse defensively and work hard in attack. Then Simpkin come on when things open up a bit in the middle. Similar to what Gordie was doing but I think Simpkin is a class above Gordie.

 

[BOZO]

I admire Froggy for what he’s done , and where he’s come from to get to this point but it’s clear that we do lack a proper hooker.

I agree you with you that you have to admire what Croker has done with his limited ability
He has defied Brilliance with Bravery to keep his spot in the NRL

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Do we resign Steve Hales and Michael Ennis both off contract with what I can see.

Well based on this year , why not ??

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Yep, it seemed quite clear to me as well that Croker was attempting to step out of dummy half and trying to engage the markers more against the doggies… thus, that stinker forward pass to Turbo. I’m not sure if he will persist with this moving forward or how long it will take him to develop that part of his game… perhaps a bit late in the season (and his hooking career for that matter)?

He has been stepping out (doing the Eagle Rock) occasionally for years.

It would be great if he made it a regular part of his repertoire.

 

[Ralphie]

Correct you on one thing there ( and I know personally due to my contacts when I was contracting to them).

Seibold isn’t a failed Broncos coach at all , he was set up to fail , it was a concerted effort by the Broncos old boys who were pissed that their mate Kevvie didn’t get the job.

Those in the firing line were the CEO ( now gone ) and the coach ( Seibold ).

As soon as he was appointed they started undermining him , they are hugely influential ( the old boys ) with the staff & the players.

The players were coerced to not perform, a spoon the ideal way to get rid of the coach. Remember the now sacked CEO made the call, without reference to the old boys ( this created the situation).

Seibold was on a hiding to nothing !!

I don’t mind you not liking him, and preferring Des , and believe me I’m not thinking he ( Seibold ) is a coaching god but I think it’s harsh to call him a failed Broncos coach when in fact he was absolutely shafted from the get go and never had a chance of success.

And the then immediate appointment of Walter’s , tells you that what I’m saying isn’t bull****.

I assure you my contact ( now very high up in their major competitor ) was in the upper echelon of management at the Donkeys at the time and saw it all happening first hand.

You can choose to believe this , or not , that’s your call.

Mark, I respect your info and contacts, but I must say I find it a big ask to believe that any group of players would deliberately play for the spoon for ANY reason, let alone to be rid of a coach & CEO. If true, then every one of the Donkeys players should be sacked for their current issues, which would also suggest they want rid of Kevvie.

 

[voicefromthehill]

You must be logged on another site feathered friend if you think that there is no whinging on here and excuses from our failing club that is going through our biggest premiership winning drought in our proud history

I am strong in principle for our Legendry clubs High standards
and unless we lift our standards we will have no impact in living up to our high Benchmark standards as the Greatest club of all once again
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You must be logged on to another planet

My response remains the same

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Mark, I respect your info and contacts, but I must say I find it a big ask to believe that any group of players would deliberately play for the spoon for ANY reason, let alone to be rid of a coach & CEO. If true, then every one of the Donkeys players should be sacked for their current issues, which would also suggest they want rid of Kevvie.

I don’t know that they played for the spoon but I do know that they collectively just went out , earned their money & couldn’t give a **** !

This was pre Adam Reynolds & Reece Walsh.

I was told one of the reasons Flegler went the way he did was the attitude of his fellow players, as to the validity of this 🤷🤷🤷.

Im not in any way trying to validate Seibold , everyone can have their opinion on him and that’s fine , but I think it’s unfair to label him “ a failed Bronco coach “ when there was so very much going on behind the scenes to get rid of him and bring back Kevvie.

Remember almost the same team went from last to play in a GF, so that really tells you something.

 

[Disco]

I mean, yes and no. Absolutely we should always be aiming to win a premiership, but often putting yourself in a position to do that takes more than one season. You can't say every coach who doesn't win the premiership this year is a failure. It depends where you're starting from and what you've got to work with, and as long as you're going getting closer to a premiership and not further away, you're probably doing okay. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but success isn't always a straight line…

I'm still 50/50 on Seibold. We definitely needed a change from Des, but I wasn't sure Seibs was the best choice. There are parts of him I really like (he's good with the media and seems to be good with the players) and parts that rub me the wrong way (the "work-ons", the "free throw at the stumps", etc). But his recruitment decisions have been pretty good, his player selections have not been stagnant, and the team has shown improvement overall, as have individual players. I reckon he probably deserves an extension.

That said, it's beyond important that he and the team don't think they've done enough this season and can phone it in from here on in. The next couple of games are vital. There's a big difference between finishing fifth (or sixth) and seventh, as there is between winning an elimination final and losing one. We probably don't have enough to be genuine contenders this year, but we can put the fear into every team above us and set ourselves up for next year, or the year after that.

And I would consider that a qualified success.

Get out of my brain man

 

[47MVEagle]

For me, the ONLY measure of success is Premierships. Come back at the end of each season & we can talk about the coach once that has been decided.

If that’s your only criteria for judging a coach why have you been slagging him off all season?

Why not just wait until the season is over & slag him off if we don’t win the premiership?

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Personally I think the success of a coach is improvement year on year.

That can de determined by the playing roster as well ( I mean if we had all our superstars retire at once and they weren’t replaced) , or the addition of one or two really top shelf players ( such as Reynolds & Walsh for the Donkeys last year ).

But if we take 2023 v 2024

We lost a bit of dead wood

Added arguably our best recruit for a while.

And have had some youngsters emerge.

So things have changed , but also Seibold inherited Des’s roster last year , this year is his roster ( or close to it ).

We certainly have improved from 2023, but we also have a ways to go to be a real chance.

 

[Stuey Davis’s Socks]

I admire Froggy for what he’s done , and where he’s come from to get to this point but it’s clear that we do lack a proper hooker.

Simpkin is great but isn’t defensively as good as Froggy.

Dunno where from here.

Old mate Fainu could attack and defend…..sigh

 

[Rocky]

Why would I do that when I have been a diehard Eagles fan for 60 years? I just have higher expectations and standards than you do.

You have followed the team for that long and all you choose to do is vent over Seibold endlessly, like a jilted lover.

Imagine the contributions and insights you could make to this forum with all the footy you have watched.

What a shame.