The Anthony Seibold Grievances MEGA THREAD

[Scorpio]

Well the great Trent Barrett has recently said the difference between where Parra is tracking atm and success comes down to luck! This is why he will never likely coach FG again in the NRL.
Seibold needs to deliver a top 8 finish or he is gonski…. Personally ( based upon no real facts) other than how he left Souths and the pile of poo he seemingly left at the Broncos I think he was a bad choice to begin with that Mestrov needs to take responsibility for… Time will tell…. Will be very happy to be proven wrong!

I find it hard to believe that he decided to get rid of Des. But he and the club had to pick a new coach from the candidates who were willing and available for the price the club was willing to pay.

Who was an obviously better option at the time?

 

[BOZO]

I find it hard to believe that he decided to get rid of Des. But he and the club had to pick a new coach from the candidates who were willing and available for the price the club was willing to pay.

Who was an obviously better option at the time?

Who was obviously a better option at the time ?
This man was the best option at the time feathered friend
The best option to MAKE MANLY GREAT AGAIN !

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

So......your saying both under achieved?

Or both did well in those respective seasons?

Or it was an achievement for Hasler but an under achievement for Seibold?

I'm amused that you are trying to find logic on these boards. I simply asked if it could be considered an underachievement with that south's roster. If you compare south's 2018 and manly 2019 most unbiased punters would back south's 9 times out of 10.

Yes I possibly think Seibold 2018 is on the fence. I also think our rag tag team ended up overachieving.Probably down to the coach.

This all comes back to replace with better. According to many on here Des had to go. OK done. But replace with an upgrade and at the moment that's debatable.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

I find it hard to believe that he decided to get rid of Des. But he and the club had to pick a new coach from the candidates who were willing and available for the price the club was willing to pay.

Who was an obviously better option at the time?

This is the flawed logic of our much loved owner.
I must sack Des now.....hmmmmmm....who's about? Oh **** not many proven match winners. Perhaps I should have had a winner lined up before the blood-letting.
IDIOT

 

[47MVEagle]

there is a lot to unpick there.

The Broncos made a rash decision as part of a power play to Eject Bennett. The same Bennett that has guided that club to all of its success.

Seibold in 2018 walked into a side with this roster just to name a few. A roster that had won a GF in the past 5 years and knew what success felt like.

Greg Inglis
Adam Renyolds
Sam Burgess
Damien Cook
Angus Crichton
Adam Doueihi
Dane Gagai
Alex Johnston
Cody Walker
Plus many others. Its not exactly the west tigers roster is it? He took them to 3rd on the table and made a preliminary final. Possible underachievement? but good for a first year coach no doubt.

Seibold then goes to the Broncos and we all know where that ends up. Munity and a complete failure leading to the club's first wooden spoon.

As for your white anting Kevvie thoughts..... happens at every club when success is hard to come by. he was already failing at that point so not much of an argument. the Kevvie thing would never have got traction had the team been successful. Seibold made some awful decisions letting go of some of the senior players in that squad leaving a bunch of inexperienced hot boys to burn and crash. That was all on him.

As for your Grit thoughts yep we have beaten some of the apparent heavyweights. but we have also lost some awful games to sides we should beat. go figure. Oh and beating a Panthers or rooters or storm before June means very little.

In the end Seibold will be either a failure or success. I currently see it as a 60/40 fail you obviously see it as a 60/40 success because we beat a few top sides when it doesn't matter. if we miss the finals this year with this roster then 2 years in a row makes it very hard for him to continue.

Im still wondering where you think its a personal thing against the guy. If he succeeds then happy days. just so far he hasn't.

Okay mate, fair enough, you don’t have a personal dislike of Seibold 👍

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

It's always annoyed me.
I wonder if they'll split into to groups of 10 when we get 20 teams and finish with a "Superbowl" style game.

Really that wouldn’t be as silly as it sounds , it could also see State of Origin with less impact , ie each side gets two byes in this period so potentially only one game affected by outs.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

There are many on Silvertails that are very pro Des Hasler , and very anti that he was sacked by the club.

I was VERY anti Des Hasler for what he did after the 2011 GF.

I was very much an insider at the time , celebrating with the players and corporates after the game and know what his announcement just a day later did.

I have never , and will never forgive him.

The pro Hasler camp will talk about how great he was blah blah , I saw behind the scenes , he was a control freak and the club were trying to rein him in , that’s the main reason he left.

And did EXACTLY the same thing to the Bulldogs.

When he returned I was very anti the decision but said at the time that I support any coach the club decides on, @The Wheel will remember this very well.

I think a lot of the anti Seibold attitude on here comes from members who are very pro Hasler.

To them ANY coach will never live up to the almighty one.

Blind Freddy can see ( with Manly ) that there are limitations due to salary cap & players not wanting to come to the club because of recent performances. I think this probably affects most of the bottom 10-12 clubs.

To get a great player you have to pay a fortune and then you are buggered because you can’t afford more of them.

We have quite a few on big $$$$

One on REALLY big $$$ who is lucky to play 1/3 of a season each year.

The side isn’t completely balanced , but if you added a couple of superstar middles and another superstar edge ( and kept the others we have ) I wonder if the Seibold haters would still be hating.

I just think it’s so easy to blame the coach for everything , but in reality it’s , roster , injuries and a bit of luck that’s equally important.

 

[The Wheel]

There are many on Silvertails that are very pro Des Hasler , and very anti that he was sacked by the club.

I was VERY anti Des Hasler for what he did after the 2011 GF.

I was very much an insider at the time , celebrating with the players and corporates after the game and know what his announcement just a day later did.

I have never , and will never forgive him.

The pro Hasler camp will talk about how great he was blah blah , I saw behind the scenes , he was a control freak and the club were trying to rein him in , that’s the main reason he left.

And did EXACTLY the same thing to the Bulldogs.

When he returned I was very anti the decision but said at the time that I support any coach the club decides on, @The Wheel will remember this very well.

I think a lot of the anti Seibold attitude on here comes from members who are very pro Hasler.

To them ANY coach will never live up to the almighty one.

Blind Freddy can see ( with Manly ) that there are limitations due to salary cap & players not wanting to come to the club because of recent performances. I think this probably affects most of the bottom 10-12 clubs.

To get a great player you have to pay a fortune and then you are buggered because you can’t afford more of them.

We have quite a few on big $$$$

One on REALLY big $$$ who is lucky to play 1/3 of a season each year.

The side isn’t completely balanced , but if you added a couple of superstar middles and another superstar edge ( and kept the others we have ) I wonder if the Seibold haters would still be hating.

I just think it’s so easy to blame the coach for everything , but in reality it’s , roster , injuries and a bit of luck that’s equally important.

If we add a hard running prop (in mould of Leniu) and work horse/hard second rower plus Turbo gets back to somewhere near his best then we will be cooking I reckon

 

[47MVEagle]

There are many on Silvertails that are very pro Des Hasler , and very anti that he was sacked by the club.

I was VERY anti Des Hasler for what he did after the 2011 GF.

I was very much an insider at the time , celebrating with the players and corporates after the game and know what his announcement just a day later did.

I have never , and will never forgive him.

The pro Hasler camp will talk about how great he was blah blah , I saw behind the scenes , he was a control freak and the club were trying to rein him in , that’s the main reason he left.

And did EXACTLY the same thing to the Bulldogs.

When he returned I was very anti the decision but said at the time that I support any coach the club decides on, @The Wheel will remember this very well.

I think a lot of the anti Seibold attitude on here comes from members who are very pro Hasler.

To them ANY coach will never live up to the almighty one.

Blind Freddy can see ( with Manly ) that there are limitations due to salary cap & players not wanting to come to the club because of recent performances. I think this probably affects most of the bottom 10-12 clubs.

To get a great player you have to pay a fortune and then you are buggered because you can’t afford more of them.

We have quite a few on big $$$$

One on REALLY big $$$ who is lucky to play 1/3 of a season each year.

The side isn’t completely balanced , but if you added a couple of superstar middles and another superstar edge ( and kept the others we have ) I wonder if the Seibold haters would still be hating.

I just think it’s so easy to blame the coach for everything , but in reality it’s , roster , injuries and a bit of luck that’s equally important.

Interesting info there Mark 👍

I know Des was always there for his players - exhibited when he picked Snake up from the police station when he was accused of sexual assault & Dylan Walker after his DV incident & going into bat for Manase in his trial, but interesting to note that Des was a big factor in supporting the Fainu family for the 2-3 years Manase was stood down pending trial.

So many of Des’ decisions turned out golden but that 1 really screwed the club, unfortunately.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

According to many on here Des had to go. OK done. But replace with an upgrade and at the moment that's debatable.

EOL as we both know, the views of 'many on here' are neither here nor there when it comes to sacking Des, and Mestrov only did it because it was part of the job description Penn gave him when he interviewed for CEO ("Essential criteria - ability to sack Des within a month of taking up the role").

Des's insubordination and public embarrassment of Penn was his main offence, rather than being a dinosaur, mumbling during pressers, or failing to get results. The players still played for him, as evidenced by the spirited performance v Chooks during jerseygate.

Mestrov was tasked with finding the successor... is Seibold an improvement, clearly not on their current records, but he still may become a success with Manly. For Manly to do better we need a better squad of players. It's not rocket science. It is slowly getting better hence we are currently in the 8.

 

[Sheikheagle]

There are many on Silvertails that are very pro Des Hasler , and very anti that he was sacked by the club.

I was VERY anti Des Hasler for what he did after the 2011 GF.

I was very much an insider at the time , celebrating with the players and corporates after the game and know what his announcement just a day later did.

I have never , and will never forgive him.

The pro Hasler camp will talk about how great he was blah blah , I saw behind the scenes , he was a control freak and the club were trying to rein him in , that’s the main reason he left.

And did EXACTLY the same thing to the Bulldogs.

When he returned I was very anti the decision but said at the time that I support any coach the club decides on, @The Wheel will remember this very well.

I think a lot of the anti Seibold attitude on here comes from members who are very pro Hasler.

To them ANY coach will never live up to the almighty one.

Blind Freddy can see ( with Manly ) that there are limitations due to salary cap & players not wanting to come to the club because of recent performances. I think this probably affects most of the bottom 10-12 clubs.

To get a great player you have to pay a fortune and then you are buggered because you can’t afford more of them.

We have quite a few on big $$$$

One on REALLY big $$$ who is lucky to play 1/3 of a season each year.

The side isn’t completely balanced , but if you added a couple of superstar middles and another superstar edge ( and kept the others we have ) I wonder if the Seibold haters would still be hating.

I just think it’s so easy to blame the coach for everything , but in reality it’s , roster , injuries and a bit of luck that’s equally important.

Well said Marky Mark.

 

[Rocky]

There are many on Silvertails that are very pro Des Hasler , and very anti that he was sacked by the club.

I was VERY anti Des Hasler for what he did after the 2011 GF.

I was very much an insider at the time , celebrating with the players and corporates after the game and know what his announcement just a day later did.

I have never , and will never forgive him.

The pro Hasler camp will talk about how great he was blah blah , I saw behind the scenes , he was a control freak and the club were trying to rein him in , that’s the main reason he left.

And did EXACTLY the same thing to the Bulldogs.

When he returned I was very anti the decision but said at the time that I support any coach the club decides on, @The Wheel will remember this very well.

I think a lot of the anti Seibold attitude on here comes from members who are very pro Hasler.

To them ANY coach will never live up to the almighty one.

Blind Freddy can see ( with Manly ) that there are limitations due to salary cap & players not wanting to come to the club because of recent performances. I think this probably affects most of the bottom 10-12 clubs.

To get a great player you have to pay a fortune and then you are buggered because you can’t afford more of them.

We have quite a few on big $$$$

One on REALLY big $$$ who is lucky to play 1/3 of a season each year.

The side isn’t completely balanced , but if you added a couple of superstar middles and another superstar edge ( and kept the others we have ) I wonder if the Seibold haters would still be hating.

I just think it’s so easy to blame the coach for everything , but in reality it’s , roster , injuries and a bit of luck that’s equally important.

Great post Mark

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

There are many on Silvertails that are very pro Des Hasler , and very anti that he was sacked by the club.

I was VERY anti Des Hasler for what he did after the 2011 GF.

I was very much an insider at the time , celebrating with the players and corporates after the game and know what his announcement just a day later did.

I have never , and will never forgive him.

The pro Hasler camp will talk about how great he was blah blah , I saw behind the scenes , he was a control freak and the club were trying to rein him in , that’s the main reason he left.

And did EXACTLY the same thing to the Bulldogs.

When he returned I was very anti the decision but said at the time that I support any coach the club decides on, @The Wheel will remember this very well.

I think a lot of the anti Seibold attitude on here comes from members who are very pro Hasler.

To them ANY coach will never live up to the almighty one.

Blind Freddy can see ( with Manly ) that there are limitations due to salary cap & players not wanting to come to the club because of recent performances. I think this probably affects most of the bottom 10-12 clubs.

To get a great player you have to pay a fortune and then you are buggered because you can’t afford more of them.

We have quite a few on big $$$$

One on REALLY big $$$ who is lucky to play 1/3 of a season each year.

The side isn’t completely balanced , but if you added a couple of superstar middles and another superstar edge ( and kept the others we have ) I wonder if the Seibold haters would still be hating.

I just think it’s so easy to blame the coach for everything , but in reality it’s , roster , injuries and a bit of luck that’s equally important.

You probably won't play this game but let's try. I'm not trying to be smart here. Everything below is a valid question in my mind. Cold all be total BS but hey....

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That's every coach of a bottom side. If only we had a flew quality players that could make a difference.
We don't have a bad roster do we?

I get you were inside the bubble and will know stuff the rest of us won't BUT.

If Des was so bad why do the majority of his players rave about the guy? Most that have played for him would run through walls for him. He's won premierships. He's taken sides to many more playing against generational side like the storm and roosters.
He's picked up players from the cop shop. DW. He's been in court with Snake. He went to visit Manese in the slammer. i honestly dont think ive seen a coach go that far for his players.

You talk about a control freak and the club trying to rein him in? All great winners are control freaks and it's not just our sport.
Do you mean like a Bellemy? Let's not forget the master coach cheated the salary cap and knew exactly what was going on.... he could be described as a control freak. Only difference is the storm went " do whatever you want the castle is yours".....
The great Bennett leaves a trail of disaster where ever He's been. Still considered the GOAT?
Cleary looks to be a bit of a control freak. That quiet kind who's probably the most dangerous.


Anyway I'm going to reiterate the point I'm not Anti seibold. I want the guy to succeed because that means we as a team succeeds. I supported Barret until it was clear he was useless. Unfortunately I see a slightly better version of Barrett in seibold so far. We may soon go on a run and he will prove me a total fool and if he does great. I will bend over and kiss my own arse just after removing the boot.

 

[Disco]

Dessies win % his last 5 seasons and Seibolds are actually almost identical.

Also in Dessies last 10 years as a first grade coach he has a 50% win record.

Just some random info there

 

[BOZO]

Dessies win % his last 5 seasons and Seibolds are actually almost identical.

Also in Dessies last 10 years as a first grade coach he has a 50% win record.

Just some random info there

Dessies last 5 seasons were Dessies declining worst seasons

Dessie also won two grand finals including a Historic record breaking 40 points to nil

Just putting things in clear perspective when you try and compare Seibold with Des

 

[BOZO]

(A) There are many on Silvertails that are very pro Des Hasler , and very anti that he was sacked by the club.

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(B) I wonder if the Seibold haters would still be hating.

(C) I just think it’s so easy to blame the coach for everything , but in reality it’s , roster , injuries and a bit of luck that’s equally important.

The ABC perspective

A.... I am one of the Des Hasler Pro People and I am grateful for his Legendary premiership wins as a Manly player and coach but he underachieved in his second coming and the club made the right move to move him

B ... Manly supporters do not hate losing coaching or players . They hate Manly losing and our club losing its identity as a Legendary winning club

C.... Every coach faces adversity Injuries etc and every coach is judged at the end of the season
by their teams results
A coach will either
A...Meet expectations
B... Exceed expectations
C.... Fail expectations and come up with your excuses for failing feathered friend @Mark from Brisbane

Our clubs expectations according to the roster we have which includes both state of origin leaders to lead the way is minimum top 8

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Dessies win % his last 5 seasons and Seibolds are actually almost identical.

Also in Dessies last 10 years as a first grade coach he has a 50% win record.

Just some random info there

Makes next week quite juicy. Will be a lot of build up on Fox league I would think. Probably even one of the narrated matt noble edits.

 

[BOZO]

If we add a hard running prop (in mould of Leniu) and work horse/hard second rower plus Turbo gets back to somewhere near his best then we will be cooking I reckon

The If Perspective ....

Great coaches overachieve and they overachieve with the players that they have
We have a top 8 squad
We have been inconsistently on the border of the top 8 all season
Seibold has 2 state of origin Leaders
A lightning quick back line
An experienced halves combination
A Match winning X factor Back Rower
Forwards with a mixture of experience and youth that can hold their own

The If Perspective is
If we had a Bellamy or a Bennet X factor
Manly would be a more dominant force

 

[jbb/james]

While sone coaches are great at man managers, etc the top coaches have respect and reputations . This gives them the ability to swing the axe without having to worry about player power. Bellamy and bennett could drop dally m and jesus to reserve grade to set a standard. And still have players lining up for the tough love

A lesser coach could lose the dressing room even considering it

Most coaches have a pretty good grasp of footy stuff and i think seibs is one of them but can he handle the manly way entrenched before he arrived

Dessie was a tweener in my eyes, not so much tough love but unconditional love, which had players playing out of there skins but mostly when desperate . At these times you need injury luck with the ref luck also all to align. At times our squad looked like it needed a harder taskmaster and still do

Barrett was too matesy and wanted to be one of the boys and he strikes me as someone who hasnt moved that dial much hoping player power saves him

Seibs seems to be strategy focussed, nothing wrong with that. He needs to be as hard on his players at times , as manly are with his current contract.

I for one dont care what he says at pressers while he nurses players egos in public, as long as he whacks out the discipline behind closed doors. Discipline has been missing for some time

The whole public schuster shaming is just the bizzaro contradiction from him and still the worst thing ive seen under his reign .

 

[frank stokes]

The whole public schuster shaming is just the bizzaro contradiction from him and still the worst thing ive seen under his reign .

Given its timing within Manly's Schuster-is-the-messiah period, I saw the coach and captain's comments as a move made in desperation to motivate Schu to help himself... turns out it did not work and things snowballed shortly after...

Would LOVE to know what was going on behind closed doors at that time because I am certain that there was more to it....