Salary Cap Witch Hunt. **Appeal unsuccessful**

Shoe1 said:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...finds-league-crime-links-20171026-gz8szl.html

Fishy, but not manly’s problem.
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Every industry, profession would have the very same problem.

Parliament, Judiciary, Police, Doctors ....

I'd rather drugs were limited to footy players, rather than Sydney neurosurgeons 😱
A few have already been deregistered and some even jailed.

Men think with/of their little mate as a priority and sex, money and opiates have been available to indulge in for eons :makeup::dollar::drunk::smoke:

Kate is missing the big picture, big time 😎
 
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HappilyManly said:
Every industry, profession would have the very same problem.

Parliament, Judiciary, Police, Doctors ....

I'd rather drugs were limited to footy players, rather than Sydney neurosurgeons 😱
A few have already been deregistered and some even jailed.

Men think with/of their little mate as a priority and sex, money and opiates have been available to indulge in for eons :makeup::dollar::drunk::smoke:

Kate is missing the big picture, big time 😎
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To me the fishy bit is winnings from a game ending up in the brothers’ accounts from bets placed by people associated with a certain chap who hadn’t bet before.
 
The police have a job to do and can't ignore what's put in front of them. And if the police ultimately find nothing then that is all great provided no one named the club involved in the first place. But that's where the problem is. Somehow Manly got named and the mud sticks. I can't remember if the police named Manly or if it was the NRL news media.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...d/news-story/63265263f795d3997ddce2059c3fb299
No apology for Manly after match-fixing investigation closed
 
I'd like to see another investigation now looking into where the allegations originated. Perhaps there are some at NRL headquarters who would feel differently though...
 
Shoe1 said:
To me the fishy bit is winnings from a game ending up in the brothers’ accounts from bets placed by people associated with a certain chap who hadn’t bet before.
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Alleged winnings.

The whole fiasco was based on Media headlines.

Unfortunately the Nuralda Mob don't report to the General Public, so we will never know if those allegations were ever proven. @:cool:
 
Still seems nothing of substance or of any compelling indications that could implicate the Manly club as an organization or individual club officials with any improper or illegal conduct . Also still seems to mainly smack and consist of blatant anti Manly bias and prejudice and if some individual players even did or were culpable or guilty of any wrong doing at that previous time , well this should be on their heads and for them to be accountable for , and certainly not the Manly club . Again the whole matter just seems to lack any proper perspective and balance .
 
Batty said:
The police have given information to the Nrl though. That's the concern. What is that info. They must have evidence of something. What evidence is it and does it lead back to the club...
Revelations that several high-profile Manly players may have taken secret benefits or payments in cash, in breach of salary cap rules, came to police attention during Strike Force Nuralda's long-running investigation into match-fixing allegations.
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All relevant and fair points but again i suppose it comes down to and revolves around who or at what level of the club could or would have sanctioned or approved such activities . I presume that Kelly was the C E O then , and would have had a significant input with arranging players contracts and so on , no doubt a few other key officials also involved but again it would be staggering to say the least if this would have again been allowed or permitted at a high administration or official level .Obviously nothing can be ruled out but again just seems such an unlikely scenario for this to have been sanctioned through the proper official administration level and channels at the club .
 
Batty said:
Revelations that several high-profile Manly players may have taken secret benefits or payments in cash, in breach of salary cap rules, came to police attention during Strike Force Nuralda's long-running investigation into match-fixing allegations.
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See the bolded letters in that paragraph. If you unscramble them do you know what they spell ?

"nothing of substance"
 
Batty said:
The police have given information to the Nrl though. That's the concern. What is that info. They must have evidence of something. What evidence is it and does it lead back to the club...
Revelations that several high-profile Manly players may have taken secret benefits or payments in cash, in breach of salary cap rules, came to police attention during Strike Force Nuralda's long-running investigation into match-fixing allegations.
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Interesting fact - crime commission can not share information gained through their interviews with outside persons/organizations.

They contravened this rule 😎
https://ngm.com.au/crime-commission-powers/

Section 13(9) of the New South Wales Crime Commission Act gives the Crime Commission the power to prohibit the publication of any answers procured during an examination if to do otherwise would prejudice the fair trial of a person who has been or may be charged with an offence.

All players from 2015 have left the Club. Apart from Chez who was never part of the clique @:cool:
 
Batty said:
Think that would be in relation to other police matters. Like sharing info from one police investigation into another unrelated one. That's why it mentions a fair trial. With the possibility of being charged with an offence, sharing info may prejudice the result.

Don't think it has to do with giving info to other organisations outside the police.
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Disagree.

This was even reported by the Media as an issue.

The Crime Commission has a scope and then passes any findings on to their Police for formal charges should they arise. In this case, they didn't.

Their powers aren't for private entities to coerce information from people.
 
Batty said:
So your saying that the police have broken the law by giving information to the Nrl but Manly haven't acted on this...? The Nrl have taken information unlawfully and the media isn't jumping all over it?

I have to say, I find that hard to believe.

I have no idea I must admit, I'm just assuming that manly, players, officials and staff would be using this as a defence if it were a possibility. Evidence obtained illegally you would think would have the media all over it.

Why do you suppose they aren't?
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Manly have already stated that they want the NRL to do their re-audit.
No need to feed the media anything.

We don't know what the Manly lawyers are working on as far as defamation and harrassment etc. That would be interesting to read 😛

The Crime Commission is not the police per se. They are granted different powers and are overseen by different oversight bodies. The story is that they 'leaked' the cash Cap info 😕
We never heard a follow up to the Parra Carpark paperbag payments either 🙄

I have no worries about the Cap investigation at all. Worst case scenario is a fine.
But the reality is that as Penn said, he is the only one signing cheques.
NRL may hear some gossip from past employees, but they would not have any actual evidence @:cool:

The Match Fixing was a concern, as we all know players (from all Clubs) love to gamble 😕
But that case is closed now 🙂
 
Batty said:
I like your optimism. I wish I could be the same but I cant help but think they have it in for us and if there is any evidence of past cap dramas they may try and take achievements off our club like they have done to others in the past... hope not.

From the NRL website:
They must be allowed to pass on information but not names...? No idea. Sounds to complicated to me.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg won't be given names of players or officials that have been pivotal to police investigations into match-fixing, but believes the probe into illegal activity will help safeguard the sport.

The NRL is keen to find out the names of some of the individuals that were key figures in the police investigations, however the crime authorities are bound by legal obligations that prohibit the exchange of such information, despite no charges being laid.

"Police are under difficult circumstances for what they can and can’t say to us," Greenberg said.
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Information without names, is not information. More like an 'activities report' :nerd:
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For over 12 months now, our club has been subjected to innuendo and slurs from the media about allegations that are now proven to be unfounded. We have watched the leadership of the NRL in no way attempt to protect our club or brand while this was going on. Now that we have this official clearance, it is time for the owners to ensure that the honor of the club is upheld and that we get some overdue recognition of that from our accusers in the media. The weak leadership of the NRL is again highlighted with their attitude towards our club and lack of empathy for what had occurred. We now have this salary cap farce still not finalized and on the other hand, they are imploring members to renew for 2018. Surely it is in the best interests to wrap up this investigation and put up or shut up!!!!
 
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