Salary Cap Witch Hunt. **Appeal unsuccessful**

[Budgie]

From my reading of the situation, the problem is that manly introduced players to second parties, when under the rules they should be third parties.

Funny and true.

 

[HappilyManly]

From my reading of the situation, the problem is that manly introduced players to second parties, when under the rules they should be third parties.

TPAs explained

 

[Spartan Eagle]

Apparently Bozo is going to get a phone call today from Greensprog. Would love to have a copy of that call recording.
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We didn't need Fulton interview: Greenberg

NRL boss Todd Greenberg has responded to claims he threw former Manly supremo Bob Fulton under the bus for his role in Manly's salary cap cheating.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg says he will call Bob Fulton to explain why the former Manly supremo was involved in the punishments handed down at the club for salary cap cheating.

Fulton on Tuesday claimed Greenberg had thrown him under the bus in Monday's findings, despite avoiding sanction because he isn't a registered official in the game.

"I made some comments yesterday that the rules don't permit us around Bob Fulton to provide any sanctions. That message hasn't changed again today. I'm certainly happy to talk to Bob personally, which I'll do today," Greenberg said on Tuesday.

Source: AAP

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Apparently Bozo is going to get a phone call today from Greensprog. Would love to have a copy of that call recording.
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We didn't need Fulton interview: Greenberg

NRL boss Todd Greenberg has responded to claims he threw former Manly supremo Bob Fulton under the bus for his role in Manly's salary cap cheating.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg says he will call Bob Fulton to explain why the former Manly supremo was involved in the punishments handed down at the club for salary cap cheating.

Fulton on Tuesday claimed Greenberg had thrown him under the bus in Monday's findings, despite avoiding sanction because he isn't a registered official in the game.

"I made some comments yesterday that the rules don't permit us around Bob Fulton to provide any sanctions. That message hasn't changed again today. I'm certainly happy to talk to Bob personally, which I'll do today," Greenberg said on Tuesday.

Source: AAP

Greenslime “ GDay Bob”
Bozo “ what do you want ****”.
Greenslime “ no need to be like that Bob”
Bozo “ **** off you prick”
Greenslime “ Bob.....hello Bob you there.....Bob...”

 

[CorkQld]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...t/news-story/85851921e2a878a7ef4ba23e1e2a0f46

Manly Sea Eagles owner Scott Penn fires back at salary cap rorting punishment

DEFIANT Manly owner Scott Penn fired back at the NRL, declaring: “We’re not salary cap cheats.”

The Sea Eagles chairman told The Daily Telegraph his club had been “seriously hung out to dry” through “circumstantial evidence” despite the NRL revealing it had uncovered “deliberate breaches of the cap.”

“This is not a rort,” Penn insisted.

Asked had his club cheated, Penn said: “No. We have abided by the principles of the salary cap. The club has not paid one player any more than we have declared.

“And the NRL has not provided a smoking gun through this whole process. It’s disappointing to be tarnished with a big brush.


“We have not paid a player one cent more than our annual salary cap declaration. We have abided by the principles and rules of the salary cap. They are suggesting we have somehow rorted the system and gained an unfair advantage — we disagree.

“They have said we effectively made promissory notes to players and not disclosed them. They were in relation to making introductions and helping find them third parties. It was only around the negotiating process.

“The NRL is maintaining a hard line on it and are saying it is breach of the rules. We never guaranteed any third parties. That is what we are disputing. They are saying we had to disclose them, it was an obligation.

“But there are no guarantees in writing — this is all circumstantial. When you’re negotiating with a player, sure you try and find them additional money. That’s common practice. This isn’t isolated to the Sea Eagles.

“This is not a rort. It’s a protocol issue. The club has not guaranteed third parties. And no-one is claiming that we have, this is where it gets tricky. We are seriously getting hung out to dry on this, to be honest.

“What we have done is introduce people to player agents, and the like, as part of the negotiations. All at an arm’s length and said there is potentially an opportunity here. Some have come to pass, some haven’t.

“They are claiming that every single one of those for the past five years — any introduction or otherwise — should have been in the cap, which we totally disagree with.”

“We feel at this stage there are certainly strong grounds to appeal,” Penn said. “We just need to review that based on our legal opinion.”


Also:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/b88efdfdcf6bd8eaf8b67d63844a48bd

Only hours after his club was fined $750,000 and key officials were sanctioned for salary cap rorts totalling $1.5 million over five years, Manly chair and co-owner Scott Penn was asked whether the Sea Eagles were cheats.

“I disagree, totally disagree,” Penn said. “You could not possibly put us in the same category as the previous issues (with other clubs) because the club has not paid one cent more than we have disclosed.

Why can't we just have a normal season, where all we talk about are our wins and losses and who should be dropped. In a way I would like Penn to take the fine so we can move on, but if he's confident we can take the Turd on, and he's willing to pay, then let's go in swinging, Cattledog!!!

 

[Spartan Eagle]

Interesting questions posed to Paul Kent on social chat and his reply. Goes to show that the media are aware of the inconsistencies :


Isn't Maloney's promise of the Moylan TPA essentially the same thing as what Manly is being accused of? Didn't the NRL knock back the arrangement and forced them to include on their cap which led to Latu being sent packing. If thats the case, the promise of the TPA gave Panthers an advantage over the other clubs did it not? How is this different than the suggested promises that Manly made and benefited from?

-Luke

The NRL dropped it because Penrith promised not to submit the Moylan TPA, which was with Keno, when they submitted the Maloney contract. It was an absolute joke and weak NRL management. Until fans start protesting to the NRL this will always continue., They treat us like mugs.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Why can't we just have a normal season, where all we talk about are our wins and losses and who should be dropped. In a way I would like Penn to take the fine so we can move on, but if he's confident we can take the Turd on, and he's willing to pay, then let's go in swinging, Cattledog!!!

Manly doesn’t do normal , it’s not in the DNA!

 

[Kevinward777]

The other fact in this insidious witch hunt that just defines logic is that Scott Penn was ultimately the one who pulled the trigger by asking the NRL to investigate the club. If he believed or even suspected the club was being shady, why would he do that? If he signed off on dodgy contracts and oversaw a range of crooked TPA’s why would he ask the NRL to come and investigate the club? Anyone?

 

[Ryan]

@TerryRandall - did you read this quote by Paul Kent? "Until fans start protesting to the NRL this will always continue"

That's all I'm saying mate.

 

[Rodo]

You took 2 paragraphs out!! The "that also applies to Toovey" refers to the immediately proceeding line - "Trent is in the clear".

Manly coach Trent Barrett, who began his tenure in 2016 and is contracted until the end of 2020, received an official warning from the NRL.

"What I would say is that Trent was put into a difficult position in some of these discussions," Greenberg said.

"He complied continually with the integrity unit's investigation. But there's no evidence to suggest there is any accreditation issues for Trent. Trent is in the clear."

That also applies to previous Sea Eagles coach Geoff Toovey, who took over from Des Hasler in 2012 and then was replaced by Barrett at the end of the 2015 season.

Toovey told NRL.com he had not been interviewed during the salary cap investigation, which began last July.

Oh ok. I read it as though Toovey had also been given a warning.

 

[Dan]

Wait... are we sure @Dan didn't partner with the NRL to create this scandal so we would post like crazy resulting in increased Ad revenue.


Hmmmm.....

.......stay right where you are!

 

[Dan]

We'll see how it plays out. From what I've read the Penn's have advice and an interpretation of TPA rules that are different from the NRL's that will require a body in a position of authority to make that call.

It boils down to this really

- You want an NRL license you bide by our rules
- The MWSE aren't being actually real money restrained here, so no restraint of trade

options?
- Fight it and stretch it out but pay in the end because its not open for contest
- Fight it and hope to win
- Just pay the penalty and get on with it
- Start a renegade competition, a super league if you will

 

[midsteyne]

Big day for anti Manly sentiment on social media.

I had a world record ( for me) day yesterday with over 250 likes, mentions and retweets.

I’m lucky if I get 10 a week usually!

Today, I’m at home making Rock Cakes and Scones ( weather not conducive to fishing).

**** them all really , going off half cocked and that includes most of the journo’s who don’t do any research just plagiarise someone else’s work and have no ****ing idea.

Mob of pricks the lot of them!

Ymmmmm rockcakes

 

[Woodsie]

It boils down to this really

- You want an NRL license you bide by our rules
- The MWSE aren't being actually real money restrained here, so no restraint of trade

options?
- Fight it and stretch it out but pay in the end because its not open for contest
- Fight it and hope to win
- Just pay the penalty and get on with it
- Start a renegade competition, a super league if you will

I think option 4 has probably been discussed more often than you would think ... it isn't too long ago that the 16 clubs demanded the resignation of Grant, and I would not be surprised if they jumped at a viable alternative if presented.

 

[silvertail]

I hope we fight. Fight hard and win. Easy for me to say since it's not my money. I hope Penn uses the trades practices act to see the end of Greenburg. I hope Bozo gets defamation damages. I hope both are given fair voice in the media and I hope we are all vindicated with Greenburg's career disgracefully terminated and his proverbial head sitting on a platter in our lounge cabinets. I hope in the next few days we all get the sense that Greenburg is a dead man walking.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

It boils down to this really

- You want an NRL license you bide by our rules
- The MWSE aren't being actually real money restrained here, so no restraint of trade

options?
- Fight it and stretch it out but pay in the end because its not open for contest
- Fight it and hope to win
- Just pay the penalty and get on with it
- Start a renegade competition, a super league if you will

I think option 4 has probably been discussed more often than you would think ... it isn't too long ago that the 16 clubs demanded the resignation of Grant, and I would not be surprised if they jumped at a viable alternative if presented.

For me Manly appear to be taking a moral stand against the NRL and, provided they have a legal stance to back it up, I couldn't be happier.
I also think there is plenty to option 4. The NRL has far to much authority over clubs and it appears to wield this power it sees fit. I suspect that there are a number of clubs (and fans) that see how biased the current system can be and want change before it's too late. At the end of the day the NRL must be accountable and transparent to fans and if this doesn't change soon I fear the heart and soul of the game we all love will be completely destroyed in the coming decade/s. But feel free to call me crazy, paranoid and/or a conspiracy nut 😉

 

[Loobs]

I hope we fight. Fight hard and win. Easy for me to say since it's not my money. I hope Penn uses the trades practices act to see the end of Greenburg. I hope Bozo gets defamation damages. I hope both are given fair voice in the media and I hope we are all vindicated with Greenburg's career disgracefully terminated and his proverbial head sitting on a platter in our lounge cabinets. I hope in the next few days we all get the sense that Greenburg is a dead man walking.

Part of me would like to see us fight it and win too but the pessimist (or maybe it's the skeptic) just wants to wrap it up and move on.

Also knowing what the media cycle is like these days, you will likely see no voice in the media once this story cools. To the majority of readers, once the initial outrage dies down it's boring. It's already been bumped down on the Daily Tele's NRL page by team list Tuesday and the latest Knights druggie.

 

[fLIP]

Greenberg is the best CEO the AFL have ever had.

 

[Eagles2nv]

.......stay right where you are!

Something you need to tells us Dan?

 

[40 years an eagle]

If we don't fight this we are as good as finished... it will only be a matter of time until Greenturd wins.

As close to a fact as you can get..