Salary Cap Witch Hunt. **Appeal unsuccessful**

[Mark from Brisbane]

Correct me if I am wrong but has the NRL actually laid out their case to what the club has done? Step by step?

No doubt in the 115 page document which the club has!

 

[HappilyManly]

Correct me if I am wrong but has the NRL actually laid out their case to what the club has done? Step by step?

115 Report was handed to the Club yesterday.
Manly has till Tuesday to appeal or acquiesce

 

[lsz]

115 Report was handed to the Club yesterday.
Manly has till Tuesday to appeal or acquiesce

You would think they would do a media summary...maybe after Manly makes their case?

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

You would think they would do a media summary...maybe after Manly makes their case?

Why, Todd’s word is law so whatever he says is right!!

Apparently.

 

[Woodsie]

Penns have lawyers on staff.

Their win against CoCo and Snake's win against the media coverage of the Match Fixing, shows that the rule of law still counts for something 🙂

Greenturd's media conference attack on Bozo's reputation was a misstep by the NRL.😎

Buzz openly stating that Penn commited fraud is also defamation. 😎

NRL's rules are theirs to uphold, but they can not publicly infer that people are therefore corrupt

The good thing is that Manly know the worst case scenario and can directly address each explicit point of the NRL findings 🙂

Interesting times

Agree, when listening to GreenTurd I couldn't shake the thought that no solicitor has advised him to say any of this ..... give a fool with a personal agenda enough rope and he will hang himself .....

 

[Rackets]

There’s no way Bozo is going to just bend over and cop Greenberg having his way with him. No way in the world. Bozo will use every single venue available to him to throw back at Toddy. You’re talking about a man who has had a profound influence on the game, in multiple eras, having his reputation forever tarnished by a little worm nobody. Go get him Bozo.

The Immortal of the game vs the CEO legend...in his own lunchbox. Chew him up and spit him out Bozo!!

 

[HappilyManly]

You would think they would do a media summary...maybe after Manly makes their case?

I think Parra's case was detailed after their appeal was done too.

 

[Eagles2nv]

Another positive is the readership figures for @Dan . Only for you mate, where else would we congrigate for our information, cheers brother.

Wait... are we sure @Dan didn't partner with the NRL to create this scandal so we would post like crazy resulting in increased Ad revenue.


Hmmmm.....

 

[Woodsie]

Just needs some boobies

Pretty much my attitude to the Gods ..

 

[manly al]

If segments of the N R L 360 last night are any indication , Penn and the Manly hierarchy should definitely make a very strong and defiant rebuttal and stand against the N R L ruling . For example Ikin inferring systematic cheating , Rothfied virtually defaming Penn and giving a misleading version of Manly 's T P A arrangements at the time , Fulton being in effect referred as a blatant rorter . Kent essentially condoning these claims . No doubt this would just be a reflection of the general public misconception on how this and based on the evidence and indications to date, is being mainly erroneously and wrongly portrayed . I thought that Penn was quite impressive with that Tele interview . Manly "s 2018 season campaign can still continue as normal but on all indications at present and especially for reputational , brand and even principal consideration , Penn should challenge this big time .

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Has anyone wondered why the cap reduction figure is 660k, 330k x2? Such unusual numbers. No other "rorters" have had to carry a reduction into the following year.

Did the NRL calculate we have 330k left for this year and decided it isn't a high enough penalty, and then doubled it?

I don't think the figure of $660K was plucked out of thin air. Paul Kent's article in the Telegraph this morning suggests we still get the 9 million cap payment each year meaning that the $500K we have to actually pay in fines over 2 years is paid from the CAP money (250 x 2) and Penn comes out 160K ahead which might just be what they estimate he spent on legals so far. The only penalty we actually receive is playing $330K under the cap for two years. Greenberg stressed we are well and truly under the Cap in 2018 so the penalty is really only for 2019 and stalls our recruitment plans for 18 months. IMO this appears a bit too tailor made particularly when compared to penalties imposed on other clubs. The Carrot!

Because Greenburg couldn't face the embarrassment of clearing Manly he needed a couple of sacrificial lambs. Oops! one was Bozo. Greenburg's henchmen Slothfield and Hooker jumped on board relying upon what is described by Greenburg as compelling evidence. If the evidence is not so compelling when considered by objective minded and legally trained folk then this will have been a very expensive exercise.

The real elephant in the room is the fact that NRL have not taken any action against payer managers and they have failed to satisfactorily explain why. Bozo will come out blazing and it only needs one spark to ignite a firestorm. Here come "Cap gate"!

 

[HappilyManly]

When did Buzz say Penn commited fraud? I thought he just said that Penn signed off on the contract because Joe Kelly didn't want to because it was a TPA minefield?...
I didn't see the interview so I have no idea - if he did say Penn commited fraudulent acts then I hope Penn goes for the jugular.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/

Check the video section if you have a Foxtel account.

Basically Buzz said what he only could have sourced from Kelly.

That Chez's contract was contravening the Cap, so Kelly resigned over it (yet I saw him at the Presser announcing Chez's 8 year deal)

But Scott Penn signed it knowing what Kelly knew, infering that Penn deliberately ignored the rules 😎

I was surprised that neither the NRL360 nor the Big League hosts pulled him up on his inference.
Nor why he implicated Chez and Walks, but said then that the NRL won't release player contract details - so how could Buzz be sure of their contracts being part of the 13 players

 

[Nordburg]

I don't think the figure of $660K was plucked out of thin air. Paul Kent's article in the Telegraph this morning suggests we still get the 9 million cap payment each year meaning that the $500K we have to actually pay in fines over 2 years is paid from the CAP money (250 x 2) and Penn comes out 160K ahead which might just be what they estimate he spent on legals so far. The only penalty we actually receive is playing $330K under the cap for two years. Greenberg stressed we are well and truly under the Cap in 2018 so the penalty is really only for 2019 and stalls our recruitment plans for 18 months. IMO this appears a bit too tailor made particularly when compared to penalties imposed on other clubs. The Carrot!

Because Greenburg couldn't face the embarrassment of clearing Manly he needed a couple of sacrificial lambs. Oops! one was Bozo. Greenburg's henchmen Slothfield and Hooker jumped on board relying upon what is described by Greenburg as compelling evidence. If the evidence is not so compelling when considered by objective minded and legally trained folk then this will have been a very expensive exercise.

The real elephant in the room is the fact that NRL have not taken any action against payer managers and they have failed to satisfactorily explain why. Bozo will come out blazing and it only needs one spark to ignite a firestorm. Here come "Cap gate"!

“Greenberg’s henchmen?”
Surely you jest.Are you suggesting that Rothfield and Hooper are out to get Fulton?If so,you have a lot to learn about the Sydney media and radio personalities.

 

[lsz]

You know Greenberg is not that savvy when he picks a fight with Bozo. Love him or hate him I can not remember many times he has not come out on top

 

[The Who]

I am really starting to enjoy this Drama ...

I can see a few Game of Thrones plot twists coming up ....

Perfect opportunity for a telemovie, with the obvious title 'Legal Eagles'.

 

[Nordburg]

You know Greenberg is not that savvy when he picks a fight with Bozo. Love him or hate him I can not remember many times he has not come out on top

Greenberg obviously has some serious evidence to call out Fulton like that.If Hadley hasn’t gone after Greenberg yet,safe to say Fulton has no leg to stand on

 

[COMMANDER]

I doubt it. TPA's and much of the NRL rules fall outside the jurisdiction of a court. The only action Manly could really take would be civil and that cost would likely be higher than the fine and the risk of losing to high.

I would think the most likely would be a drawn out process whereby Manly continue to ask for extensions as well as delay the tactic and continue to respond to each of the points delaying a final decision very likely into late 2019, Manly simply registering their disagreement but still paying the fine

We'll see how it plays out. From what I've read the Penn's have advice and an interpretation of TPA rules that are different from the NRL's that will require a body in a position of authority to make that call.

 

[The '47ers]

Just needs some boobies

Zorba, come on dowwwwnnn!

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

We'll see how it plays out. From what I've read the Penn's have advice and an interpretation of TPA rules that are different from the NRL's that will require a body in a position of authority to make that call.

That’s what it seems to come to I think!!

 

[yokahontas]

Zorba, come on dowwwwnnn!