Overreaction

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I know it’s par for the course on Silvertails,but is the majority of folks response to the Dragons loss,an overreaction?We’ve got people(usual suspects)suggesting several players should be dropped and never see first grade again,we have people suggesting other players should of been picked despite those players not even being available(a bugbear of mine as it shows those people don’t do their research yet want to come on ST puffing their chest out)and we have people who just love to blame the refs every week that Manly lose.The facts are,the team has been very good the past 6 weeks,even in the heartbreaking loss to the Cows.Other than the Panthers,every team that wins a few in a row eventually hit a wall at some stage.Penalty counts/6 agains have gone Manly’s way in that time.Many of the much maligned players like Harper and Saab,have been very good in that period.Last nights result was so predictable that I backed the Dragons @$2.35.Even in Manly’s prime over the last 20 yrs,they still struggled against St.George away.For some reason they’re Manly’s bogey side.The players ruled out due to Covid was a big factor given all 3 are classed as “work horses” whilst 2 of them regularly rack up 60+ tackles combined a week.The loss of Croker hurt the most as the back ups were also unavailable.And if Manly fans haven’t realised yet,it was wet and Manly/DCE,turns into the Wicked Witch of the West when there’s the slightest chance of precipitation within a 10km radius of a ground.Other than the potential injury concerns,I think this game should be just forgotten and move onto next week.The side still controls its own destiny and a win next week moves them back into the 8
 
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Bencher
It is complicated.
The previous 5 weeks we spanked our opposition(apart from a total of about 18 minutes which was baffling) and there were some good teams there.
Last night we missed the 3 workhorses and the reffing was a bit off.
You would hope that players picked would do the job and it would be next man up scenario and that was not the case with a few players performances less than desired.
Des did his usual stick with his guys last night,with a number of guys out and an unusual circumstance he could have gone differently.
He could have tried GCKT as a starter or having a specialist 9 on the bench,he could have had De Luis in at 13 to play a defensive game and play long minutes as he can and therefore allowing the other forwards to be rotated as usual and then switch him to prop and bring on Roumanos who is a poor man's Jake(no offense to him)
For me I think just let it go and move on to next week,but each to their own....
 
Sea Eagle forever
There's no over reaction. Hunt stepped up, Reynolds stepped up, Keary stepped up, DCE goes missing. Someone explain when it's clear that putting up no pressure bombs isnt working that you might want to try something else. I'm sure a 12 year veteran might have worked out that a change of tactic might be in order. Fu*k me how many more times do we need to witness this mindless sh*t.
 
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For me it justified our reason why not to throw silly money at Walker. He was useless. I expect an NRL player of his experience to have done better. I have concerns for Schuster as our future #6. When he comes on, he contributes little upside, but many mistakes. Tapua, once again, seen better days. I applaud the backs who tried their guts out last night. Tuk, Harper, Tolo, Garrick, Foran never stopped taking hit ups and looking for work. DCE poor kicking game last night.
 
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For me it justified our reason why not to throw silly money at Walker. He was useless. I expect an NRL player of his experience to have done

I've read in other threads here that Walker made 48 tackles.
That's about 30 more than he usually makes.

Unsurprisingly, he then did little in attack.

Not sure if that can be described as useless, and I'm not a Walker fan at all.
 
I certainly don't think most have over reacted. That was a putrid attacking second half.. no if buts or maybes. The only two people responsible for that are Foran and DCE. Now Foran tried his heart out but his handling errors and the lack of direction from him and DCE caused that loss. They just didn't steer the side around.. some of our sets in that second half were a disorganised rabble. That certainly was a game we could have, would have, should have won without any questions. The Dragons were ordinary and we had them on the rack the whole second half but a lack of direction and the handling errors just killed us. I understand that the three outs were huge and the Croker out was huge but gee it is not hard for a half/five eighth to say okies we are playing this pattern from here or this pattern or we are taking two to the posts for a spin for two to the posts for a kick. At times that second half was comical with players runing around behind other players, players having no clue who was taking the ball up, dummy half passes going to nobody as three players stood there looking at the ball hit the ground. A shambles. What it did prove to me though is our defence was still pretty solid although passive in line speed without Jake. And it certainly reinforced that Burbo is simply not up to First Grade standard and his tackling technique is woeful with his head on the wrong side in that tackle but his efforts in general - average. Schuster was also very very average. If he is our 5/8 in waiting... my goodness he will want to get his act together and quick. He was great as a backrower last year but his effort, desire and even skill levels this year are certainly questionable. Last night he was just a body.. I think he tried hard but he really didn't add anything in attack. His defence seemed solid but again.. he is just a defender - certainly nothing special in defence. This was a huge huge loss for us. A win would make our way to the 8 sooo much easier although still not guaranteed but we would have been looking pretty solid. The loss to me has almost killed our chances off. The reality is as well... no matter with those COVID outs... no matter the injuries during the game... no matter the refereeing... no matter the weather.... that Dragons side was so so average and a win was there to be easily taken with some decent attack and we blew it. And as I said I think that has almost killed our 2022 chances and yet I firmly believe we have a side even without Turbo as good as the Roosters, Eels, Rabbits at least and yet we will now probably finish 9th - arghhh! And that is why at least I am upset... a game totally thrown away. I certainly don't think my reaction or the reaction of most to that insipid second half is an overreaction or the normal Silvertails wrist slitting exercise. Just a rational response and a rational assessment of a loss we should not have had.
 
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I know it’s par for the course on Silvertails,but is the majority of folks response to the Dragons loss,an overreaction?We’ve got people(usual suspects)suggesting several players should be dropped and never see first grade again,we have people suggesting other players should of been picked despite those players not even being available(a bugbear of mine as it shows those people don’t do their research yet want to come on ST puffing their chest out)and we have people who just love to blame the refs every week that Manly lose.The facts are,the team has been very good the past 6 weeks,even in the heartbreaking loss to the Cows.Other than the Panthers,every team that wins a few in a row eventually hit a wall at some stage.Penalty counts/6 agains have gone Manly’s way in that time.Many of the much maligned players like Harper and Saab,have been very good in that period.Last nights result was so predictable that I backed the Dragons @$2.35.Even in Manly’s prime over the last 20 yrs,they still struggled against St.George away.For some reason they’re Manly’s bogey side.The players ruled out due to Covid was a big factor given all 3 are classed as “work horses” whilst 2 of them regularly rack up 60+ tackles combined a week.The loss of Croker hurt the most as the back ups were also unavailable.And if Manly fans haven’t realised yet,it was wet and Manly/DCE,turns into the Wicked Witch of the West when there’s the slightest chance of precipitation within a 10km radius of a ground.Other than the potential injury concerns,I think this game should be just forgotten and move onto next week.The side still controls its own destiny and a win next week moves them back into the 8
There had better not be the slightest risk of rain though. Or any other challenge we have to overcome, such as the other side turning up with commitment. Because with the most experienced leaders in the NRL, we seem to have no leadership.
 
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I know it’s par for the course on Silvertails,but is the majority of folks response to the Dragons loss,an overreaction?We’ve got people(usual suspects)suggesting several players should be dropped and never see first grade again,we have people suggesting other players should of been picked despite those players not even being available(a bugbear of mine as it shows those people don’t do their research yet want to come on ST puffing their chest out)and we have people who just love to blame the refs every week that Manly lose.The facts are,the team has been very good the past 6 weeks,even in the heartbreaking loss to the Cows.Other than the Panthers,every team that wins a few in a row eventually hit a wall at some stage.Penalty counts/6 agains have gone Manly’s way in that time.Many of the much maligned players like Harper and Saab,have been very good in that period.Last nights result was so predictable that I backed the Dragons @$2.35.Even in Manly’s prime over the last 20 yrs,they still struggled against St.George away.For some reason they’re Manly’s bogey side.The players ruled out due to Covid was a big factor given all 3 are classed as “work horses” whilst 2 of them regularly rack up 60+ tackles combined a week.The loss of Croker hurt the most as the back ups were also unavailable.And if Manly fans haven’t realised yet,it was wet and Manly/DCE,turns into the Wicked Witch of the West when there’s the slightest chance of precipitation within a 10km radius of a ground.Other than the potential injury concerns,I think this game should be just forgotten and move onto next week.The side still controls its own destiny and a win next week moves them back into the 8
Great post...

The only thing that should be keeping any of us up at night, is the injuries to Aloiai and potentially, Haumole.

This loss was clearly a byproduct of COVID/bogey team.
 
Bencher
I know it’s par for the course on Silvertails,but is the majority of folks response to the Dragons loss,an overreaction?We’ve got people(usual suspects)suggesting several players should be dropped and never see first grade again,we have people suggesting other players should of been picked despite those players not even being available(a bugbear of mine as it shows those people don’t do their research yet want to come on ST puffing their chest out)and we have people who just love to blame the refs every week that Manly lose.The facts are,the team has been very good the past 6 weeks,even in the heartbreaking loss to the Cows.Other than the Panthers,every team that wins a few in a row eventually hit a wall at some stage.Penalty counts/6 agains have gone Manly’s way in that time.Many of the much maligned players like Harper and Saab,have been very good in that period.Last nights result was so predictable that I backed the Dragons @$2.35.Even in Manly’s prime over the last 20 yrs,they still struggled against St.George away.For some reason they’re Manly’s bogey side.The players ruled out due to Covid was a big factor given all 3 are classed as “work horses” whilst 2 of them regularly rack up 60+ tackles combined a week.The loss of Croker hurt the most as the back ups were also unavailable.And if Manly fans haven’t realised yet,it was wet and Manly/DCE,turns into the Wicked Witch of the West when there’s the slightest chance of precipitation within a 10km radius of a ground.Other than the potential injury concerns,I think this game should be just forgotten and move onto next week.The side still controls its own destiny and a win next week moves them back into the 8
To lose is always tough .I must admit when some of these "' ST members "" come on in game day when we are getting beaten and voicing opinions that so and so cant play, not 1st grade standard, should be gone ,hopeless, no desire etc etc really irritate me which I guess is their purpose. I never respond to any of them, as I dont think merciless pillaring of someone who is playing one of the toughest sports in the world for MANLY deserves that TBH.
As for Refs I try and look at things with 2 eyes but I find extreme frustration with the reffing esp last night and the Cummins episode where it just looks like we are being managed out of the game by the use of unseen and unknown crimes resulting in mysterious 6 agains penalties ,missed fouls on our players etc and the list goes on .That bloke was appalling along with the dopes on the sideline and reffed one side only and was a disgrace ,and I still think that in the clear light of day .

Anyways onto next week I really hope we have at least Croker and Jake back and that Hamole and Josh A are ok so we can face the Rorters at full throttle .
I hate losing esp to inferior teams and incompetent officiating but this is sport so it does happen
Go Manly
 
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)and we have people who just love to blame the refs every week that Manly lose.The facts are,the team has been very good the past 6 weeks,even in the heartbreaking loss to the Cows.Other than the Panthers,every team that wins a few in a row eventually hit a wall at some stage.Penalty counts/6 agains have gone Manly’s way in that time.
Which is exactly what is getting fans wound up. Why do Penrith and some other special clubs never cop what looks like they are being singled out for the night by the ref? Why were Manly repeatedly hammered earlier in the season and then Des copped $25K fine? Last night was a return to earlier in the season? Statistically, Penrith & co should have by the end of July run into at least one "just back luck" night of decisions go against them?
 
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I know it’s par for the course on Silvertails,but is the majority of folks response to the Dragons loss,an overreaction?We’ve got people(usual suspects)suggesting several players should be dropped and never see first grade again,we have people suggesting other players should of been picked despite those players not even being available(a bugbear of mine as it shows those people don’t do their research yet want to come on ST puffing their chest out)and we have people who just love to blame the refs every week that Manly lose.The facts are,the team has been very good the past 6 weeks,even in the heartbreaking loss to the Cows.Other than the Panthers,every team that wins a few in a row eventually hit a wall at some stage.Penalty counts/6 agains have gone Manly’s way in that time.Many of the much maligned players like Harper and Saab,have been very good in that period.Last nights result was so predictable that I backed the Dragons @$2.35.Even in Manly’s prime over the last 20 yrs,they still struggled against St.George away.For some reason they’re Manly’s bogey side.The players ruled out due to Covid was a big factor given all 3 are classed as “work horses” whilst 2 of them regularly rack up 60+ tackles combined a week.The loss of Croker hurt the most as the back ups were also unavailable.And if Manly fans haven’t realised yet,it was wet and Manly/DCE,turns into the Wicked Witch of the West when there’s the slightest chance of precipitation within a 10km radius of a ground.Other than the potential injury concerns,I think this game should be just forgotten and move onto next week.The side still controls its own destiny and a win next week moves them back into the 8
Yeah the only problem with that is the bit about DCE turning into the wicked witch of the west - or the headless chook, as I and others like to call him. The fact is we’re paying him a fortune to be a leader and to NOT be the melting witch. So yes, there’s hysterical calls for Des to go, the team to be cleaned out etc etc. But you can’t sweep a bad/poor performance under the carpet because there’s been a few good games before. The fact is, DCE (and others, but he’s supposed to be our leader) has as many bad games (if not more) than he has good games. That’s a big issue when he’s supposed to be a leader, a rock for the team. He’s not. And other ‘leaders’ like Tapau have also been found wanting very often.
 
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