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manly al

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Certainly no offence intended , no implied agender [ Agenda ] sorry . Time and place for everything including gender neutral topics and no thought police on this forum hopefully .Now that has to come close to an approval rating .
 

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Certainly no offence intended , no implied agender [ Agenda ] sorry . Time and place for everything including gender neutral topics and no thought police on this forum hopefully .Now that has to come close to an approval rating .
What is this madness!!!
Posting a rational response that acknowledges your unintended insensitivity on an internet message board....
Where's my argument dammit!
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(well played :) )
 
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manly al

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What is this madness!!!
Posting a rational response that acknowledges your unintended insensitivity on an internet message board....
Where's my argument dammit!
(well played :) )
As long as we can all stay clear of the maddening crowd . Damm , spoilt my copy book again with a unintended insensitive reference . when will i ever learn .
 

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As tongue in cheek as my original comment was, a couple of years ago my previous employer received a government grant to help advance women's equity within our workplace. The CEO at the time had only one idea and solution for this and he was intent on getting the entire organisation to stop using the term "guys". Even when genuine problems and solutions where presented he would drag the conversation back to his one issue. And this was at a time when I (as a man) was struggling to get equal respect and rights to take adequate family leave and have equal responsibilities as my partner at home (as I did and have with the previous and present employers). Anyway he has since been sacked, so maybe they have made some actual progress :)
 

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Does anyone else like it in the bible where gawd tells Eve that because she did the whole apple thing he will make pregnancy and childbirth very painfull for all women?
Classic.
 

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Since you asked for it (and because the religious people have given up :)):
Well we can always ask Bill Burr's thought on stats:

I think many Christians would point to the idea that many of these so called non/less religious counties have built their morals and societies around Christian lessons.
But let's also consider the data a bit more and from a different angle.
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Look how badly Muslim countries perform when you compare the two maps. Surely Islam is dragging down the stats presented when you compare religion into a single lump. Is this evidence that Christianity is a fairer and therefor better religion than the others? I'm sure plenty would argue that. Hey, while we're at it, I think we could argue that Protestant countries are better off than Catholic ones. Evidence that Protestants are "true" Christians?
 

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One problem i see with wealth, is that the islamic countries have all the oil.

Still in the data i posted it shows info for 20 countries.
Not a small sample size.
 

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One problem i see with wealth, is that the islamic countries have all the oil.

Still in the data i posted it shows info for 20 countries.
Not a small sample size.
Ahh (says the true Christian), but you haven't acknowledged the fact that the majority of these so called secular countries reached their current levels of prosperity and equality through the virtues of protestant Christianity! What's more we can see that the breakdown of these societies with the loss of their religion through the increase in things like gang violence and the vanity of internet culture.
You must also consider that such reports aim to show the superiority of these secular states by elevating the value of ideas which go against the very nature of god, even when these actions can lead to the breakdown of family units and irreversible damage to an individual's immortal soul.
 

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Ahh (says the true Christian), but you haven't acknowledged the fact that the majority of these so called secular countries reached their current levels of prosperity and equality through the virtues of protestant Christianity! What's more we can see that the breakdown of these societies with the loss of their religion through the increase in things like gang violence and the vanity of internet culture.
You must also consider that such reports aim to show the superiority of these secular states by elevating the value of ideas which go against the very nature of god, even when these actions can lead to the breakdown of family units and irreversible damage to an individual's immortal soul.
On the surface maybe.

You may claim it but the bottom ten countries in my graph can also blame religon for their woes could they not?

A bigger point that i have not seen discussed here is a view im considering where it is the drive to stay alive that is the motivation to improve society (religon was just the current tool, used to improve these odds) and not religon because of religon that was / is important.
The whole eternal life if you join with us angle plays into that part of the brain really well, but eternal life is not a tangible thing.

Now to the least religous countries, id say that science is replacing the need for religon, or what religon used to provide. As evidenced by the studies quoted in the link.
 

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OK ... if we conclude that religion has/is having an effect on the condition of countries in the world today .... can we further catagoriseand grade these Countries by the National Culture that introduced the religion to them ... Is Catholicism introduced by Spain better than that introduced by Portugal ? ...

Is Religion in fact a secondary consideration to the Nation and Culture that colonised them ... are Countries colonised by the British better today than those colonised by France, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands ? ... Is it Christianity V The Pope or more the governmental systems and laws that were applied ? ..
 

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Two events that really shaped the (Western) world that we now live in were the Reformation and the invention of the printing press:
The combination of the two gave everyday people access to information that was previously only available via authority. It lead to fierce debates of religion and morality (and persecution of people who interpreted things the "wrong" way). It probably wasn't Luther's intention but it gave European society the freedom to challenge the status quo and create new systems that benefited all of society and not just the ruling classes (the church).
It's interesting then, to consider that we now live in the information age where both information and ideas are now available on a truly global scale. Similar to 500 years ago, we are seeing the sort of disruption that this causes when society hasn't yet developed the tools to use a technology without conflict.
 

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OK ... if we conclude that religion has/is having an effect on the condition of countries in the world today .... can we further catagoriseand grade these Countries by the National Culture that introduced the religion to them ... Is Catholicism introduced by Spain better than that introduced by Portugal ? ...

Is Religion in fact a secondary consideration to the Nation and Culture that colonised them ... are Countries colonised by the British better today than those colonised by France, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands ? ... Is it Christianity V The Pope or more the governmental systems and laws that were applied ? ..
Seems a good perspective and consideration , religion in whatever form may have been a common denominator but not the main motivation in exploiting , occupying and colonizing new and already established civilizations out side of the European sphere . Then with some type of or varied society order or control in good and bad forms but primarily consisting of suppression and brutality in most instances and in the name of religion promotion . . . Religion has or did provide some good influences no doubt but also was unfortunately and wrongly used on a regular basis as a justification to support colonial ambitions and exploitation on a very major scale for centuries . Bit hard to generalize how this has evolved into the modern world religious or varied religious influenced societies welfare and common good levels however .
 

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Two events that really shaped the (Western) world that we now live in were the Reformation and the invention of the printing press:
The combination of the two gave everyday people access to information that was previously only available via authority. It lead to fierce debates of religion and morality (and persecution of people who interpreted things the "wrong" way). It probably wasn't Luther's intention but it gave European society the freedom to challenge the status quo and create new systems that benefited all of society and not just the ruling classes (the church).
It's interesting then, to consider that we now live in the information age where both information and ideas are now available on a truly global scale. Similar to 500 years ago, we are seeing the sort of disruption that this causes when society hasn't yet developed the tools to use a technology without conflict.
Now that you have changed the subject again .... I read an interesting article listing some 20 or so major inventions ... and the Chinese were over represented claiming a large portion of them ...

But here is the interesting part ... the article opined that with the invention of porcelan .. China's leadership in invention took a dramatic slow down .... the reason put forth was, that because they were so happy with porcelan .. they neglected any development of glass ... which as we know leads to optics, telescopes, microscopes, test tubes, beakers, etc .... and even more importantly the articles says .. reading glasses ... and that this meant the older more experienced academics became "useless" through vertual blindness just at the stage of their potentially most productive years ...

.. ain't life funny ...
 
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