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Since you asked for it (and because the religious people have given up ):
Ahh (says the true Christian), but you haven't acknowledged the fact that the majority of these so called secular countries reached their current levels of prosperity and equality through the virtues of protestant Christianity! What's more we can see that the breakdown of these societies with the loss of their religion through the increase in things like gang violence and the vanity of internet culture.One problem i see with wealth, is that the islamic countries have all the oil.
Still in the data i posted it shows info for 20 countries.
Not a small sample size.
On the surface maybe.Ahh (says the true Christian), but you haven't acknowledged the fact that the majority of these so called secular countries reached their current levels of prosperity and equality through the virtues of protestant Christianity! What's more we can see that the breakdown of these societies with the loss of their religion through the increase in things like gang violence and the vanity of internet culture.
You must also consider that such reports aim to show the superiority of these secular states by elevating the value of ideas which go against the very nature of god, even when these actions can lead to the breakdown of family units and irreversible damage to an individual's immortal soul.
Seems a good perspective and consideration , religion in whatever form may have been a common denominator but not the main motivation in exploiting , occupying and colonizing new and already established civilizations out side of the European sphere . Then with some type of or varied society order or control in good and bad forms but primarily consisting of suppression and brutality in most instances and in the name of religion promotion . . . Religion has or did provide some good influences no doubt but also was unfortunately and wrongly used on a regular basis as a justification to support colonial ambitions and exploitation on a very major scale for centuries . Bit hard to generalize how this has evolved into the modern world religious or varied religious influenced societies welfare and common good levels however .OK ... if we conclude that religion has/is having an effect on the condition of countries in the world today .... can we further catagoriseand grade these Countries by the National Culture that introduced the religion to them ... Is Catholicism introduced by Spain better than that introduced by Portugal ? ...
Is Religion in fact a secondary consideration to the Nation and Culture that colonised them ... are Countries colonised by the British better today than those colonised by France, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands ? ... Is it Christianity V The Pope or more the governmental systems and laws that were applied ? ..
Now that you have changed the subject again .... I read an interesting article listing some 20 or so major inventions ... and the Chinese were over represented claiming a large portion of them ...Two events that really shaped the (Western) world that we now live in were the Reformation and the invention of the printing press:
The combination of the two gave everyday people access to information that was previously only available via authority. It lead to fierce debates of religion and morality (and persecution of people who interpreted things the "wrong" way). It probably wasn't Luther's intention but it gave European society the freedom to challenge the status quo and create new systems that benefited all of society and not just the ruling classes (the church).If you're a Protestant, the anniversary of the revolution Martin Luther set in motion 500 years ago is a big deal. But even if you're not, it should be.edition.cnn.com
It's interesting then, to consider that we now live in the information age where both information and ideas are now available on a truly global scale. Similar to 500 years ago, we are seeing the sort of disruption that this causes when society hasn't yet developed the tools to use a technology without conflict.
Didn't really mean to change the subject. I think I had a point but forgot what it was half way through writing...it's been one of those mornings.Now that you have changed the subject again .... I read an interesting article listing some 20 or so major inventions ... and the Chinese were over represented claiming a large portion of them ...
But here is the interesting part ... the article opined that with the invention of porcelan .. China's leadership in invention took a dramatic slow down .... the reason put forth was, that because they were so happy with porcelan .. they neglected any development of glass ... which as we know leads to optics, telescopes, microscopes, test tubes, beakers, etc .... and even more importantly the articles says .. reading glasses ... and that this meant the older more experienced academics became "useless" through vertual blindness just at the stage of their potentially most productive years ...
.. ain't life funny ...
I think this is the main reason we Scots invented golf ...The funny thing is all the free thought and speech around religion and morality is the main thing which leads to secular views. If Luther had known that this would happen as a result of his actions I wonder if he would have just kept his mouth shut.
I gave you a winner cup purely because you referenced my idol, and life coach Bill Burr.Since you asked for it (and because the religious people have given up ):
Well we can always ask Bill Burr's thought on stats:
I think many Christians would point to the idea that many of these so called non/less religious counties have built their morals and societies around Christian lessons.
But let's also consider the data a bit more and from a different angle.
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Look how badly Muslim countries perform when you compare the two maps. Surely Islam is dragging down the stats presented when you compare religion into a single lump. Is this evidence that Christianity is a fairer and therefor better religion than the others? I'm sure plenty would argue that. Hey, while we're at it, I think we could argue that Protestant countries are better off than Catholic ones. Evidence that Protestants are "true" Christians?
It makes sense from what ive read that Contarini led the reformers.In reference to the so called venetian conspiracy? I don't think there is enough evidence to support the claim. He definitely wouldn't have expected the full implications of his actions though.
I think you're overestimating the intelligence of humans, especially in groups. I was recently on a committee of quite bright individuals (industry leaders even) who couldn't even sort out an online questionnaire!It makes sense from what ive read that Contarini led the reformers.
Then you look for their motive and then the results.
There had to be something to it.