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eaglebuzz

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Again you back out of the argument without even providing a single point for your justification. I'm not attempting to disprove your God and I know there is nothing I can do to change your mind on the topic. But consider this: I have nothing to lose, if you could convince me that your god is true then you would have saved my soul and enriched my life! It would be far harder to convince you, with many hours (years even!) spent studying and confirming your beliefs and a career based around those ideas! You would have so much more to lose.

But that's not why I am here.

I am here to ask why any of you feel that your religion can be used to take a stance on issues and
why you think that stance deserves to be protected rather than questioned or even ridiculed. Especially when preaching those ideas is known to cause damage to individuals.

If you want to tell me that your religion and your belief is the justification then you will also have to accept that there is a huge amount of doctrine in your and other religions that you may be less willing to take a similar stance on. Slavery? Holy Wars? Ritual Sacrifice? Church ownership of all your wealth (and your body)? An eye for an eye punishments? Genital mutilation?
Which of these would you be willing to defend with the argument of religion?

I've been asking all of you to give me your reasoning as to why Folou's hateful views and preaching deserve respect yet none of you is willing actually state it.
I'm getting the vibe that you don't have a lot else going on other than posting here. Think what you want. Really. I really just can't be bothered having these discussions on a footy forum. Talk about how hateful Folau is and how unjustified faith is until you're blue in the face. And take great comfort from knowing that you will have reached an audience of maybe 5 people on perhaps the most obscure part of this entire site.

If I knew you in real life I'd happily sit down with you about these things. Unfortunately I don't. Again, if you are serious about these questions, my advice is find people you can discuss these things in real life. I won't be replying again to this conversation. Maybe if another issue arises that I can discuss with some confidence that I won't be drawn into a protracted and fruitless discussion I might chime back in.
 

MuzztheEagle

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I'm getting the vibe that you don't have a lot else going on other than posting here. Think what you want. Really. I really just can't be bothered having these discussions on a footy forum. Talk about how hateful Folau is and how unjustified faith is until you're blue in the face. And take great comfort from knowing that you will have reached an audience of maybe 5 people on perhaps the most obscure part of this entire site.

If I knew you in real life I'd happily sit down with you about these things. Unfortunately I don't. Again, if you are serious about these questions, my advice is find people you can discuss these things in real life. I won't be replying again to this conversation. Maybe if another issue arises that I can discuss with some confidence that I won't be drawn into a protracted and fruitless discussion I might chime back in.
This is now the third time you've said pretty much the same thing to me :) Do you have anything new to add, or are you just hoping to chip away at my personal credibility. Go ahead it won't change any of my arguments or your lack of answers to my questions.

I enjoy posting here...it's cathartic, a bit like pulling weeds. It's also a learning experience me. But to each there own. I don't expect to change anyone's views here this is for my own selfish needs and agenda ;)

You also appear to be pretty poor at retaining information. I do not think bigoted, I do not think he says anything out of hate. I simply think Folau is misguided and I wish him well with his recovery, should that ever come. But I do think his actions cause harm and that the reasoning behind his opinions is dangerous.

I've also told you that I've had these discussions in real life and I will tell you that they play out much the same as they have here:
In my experience, Christians on the whole are usually very reluctant to give you their specific beliefs, even more so with the knowledge that the questioner is an atheist but even to other Christians. Sure there is plenty of discussion and debate within individual congregations and denominations about what that specific idea means. But I think that is considered to be a safe space. It's not just religion that does this politics is potentially even more guarded on what will be given up and on all sides of the spectrum. Question a belief, and wow do walls go up...not just walls but missiles of accusations back at you (with plenty of assumptions of what it is that I believe or want to achieve). Well you're no better! What about this you didn't think of this did you? Your just trying to get me to think this. Well your side did this and this and this. It is like some bizarre competition suddenly came into existence an no body is sure of the rules.

To me it feels like there is a fear that there is some grand gotcha moment living behind every question or every admission that they believe in a particular idea. It's as though ideas are personal an sacred and must be defended at all costs....don't give people to much or they will damage your ideas or change your mind...infect you with dangerous free thought. No it's better to stick to what you know, after all, you KNOW IT to be correct. I find it funny - right up to the point where I remember how dangerous it is.

Personally I love have ideas tested and reformed. It means I'm learning. It's funny though, that no one on here would ask me what I believe or asked to discuss my beliefs with the same vigor that I would like to discuss yours.

But hey, no worries...off you go (again....well maybe) I'm sure you will sleep soundly knowing that your version of truth is the correct one and that others just haven't considered things as thoroughly as you. And I'm sure that it is a comforting thought that so many Christian's share this thought (though not your beliefs) and hold it tightly to sleep soundly through the night. :)

...Just remember....as you sleep so soundly.....that the liberal left are coming....to strip away your right tohold these beliefs in your mind.......Aaargghhhhh ;)

Personally, I sleep soundly at night knowing that it is the ideas that I reject that define me and make me a good person not the ones I cling to.
 

eaglebuzz

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This is now the third time you've said pretty much the same thing to me :) Do you have anything new to add, or are you just hoping to chip away at my personal credibility. Go ahead it won't change any of my arguments or your lack of answers to my questions.

I enjoy posting here...it's cathartic, a bit like pulling weeds. It's also a learning experience me. But to each there own. I don't expect to change anyone's views here this is for my own selfish needs and agenda ;)

You also appear to be pretty poor at retaining information. I do not think bigoted, I do not think he says anything out of hate. I simply think Folau is misguided and I wish him well with his recovery, should that ever come. But I do think his actions cause harm and that the reasoning behind his opinions is dangerous.

I've also told you that I've had these discussions in real life and I will tell you that they play out much the same as they have here:
In my experience, Christians on the whole are usually very reluctant to give you their specific beliefs, even more so with the knowledge that the questioner is an atheist but even to other Christians. Sure there is plenty of discussion and debate within individual congregations and denominations about what that specific idea means. But I think that is considered to be a safe space. It's not just religion that does this politics is potentially even more guarded on what will be given up and on all sides of the spectrum. Question a belief, and wow do walls go up...not just walls but missiles of accusations back at you (with plenty of assumptions of what it is that I believe or want to achieve). Well you're no better! What about this you didn't think of this did you? Your just trying to get me to think this. Well your side did this and this and this. It is like some bizarre competition suddenly came into existence an no body is sure of the rules.

To me it feels like there is a fear that there is some grand gotcha moment living behind every question or every admission that they believe in a particular idea. It's as though ideas are personal an sacred and must be defended at all costs....don't give people to much or they will damage your ideas or change your mind...infect you with dangerous free thought. No it's better to stick to what you know, after all, you KNOW IT to be correct. I find it funny - right up to the point where I remember how dangerous it is.

Personally I love have ideas tested and reformed. It means I'm learning. It's funny though, that no one on here would ask me what I believe or asked to discuss my beliefs with the same vigor that I would like to discuss yours.

But hey, no worries...off you go (again....well maybe) I'm sure you will sleep soundly knowing that your version of truth is the correct one and that others just haven't considered things as thoroughly as you. And I'm sure that it is a comforting thought that so many Christian's share this thought (though not your beliefs) and hold it tightly to sleep soundly through the night. :)

...Just remember....as you sleep so soundly.....that the liberal left are coming....to strip away your right tohold these beliefs in your mind.......Aaargghhhhh ;)

Personally, I sleep soundly at night knowing that it is the ideas that I reject that define me and make me a good person not the ones I cling to.
I take great comfort knowing that not a jot of difference is going to be made to the rise of the liberal left as a result of posts on Silvertails forums.

I'm happy you're happy. Enjoy your remaining 30-60 years of life.
 

MuzztheEagle

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I take great comfort knowing that not a jot of difference is going to be made to the rise of the liberal left as a result of posts on Silvertails forums.
Funnily enough I'm not worried about them either (although our perspectives on who they are may differ). But I am worried about their ideas, as I do about the other side of politics. But, the fact that they share so many similar ideas is even more frightening!

I'm happy you're happy. Enjoy your remaining 30-60 years of life.
Well, if I happen to meet your chosen God when that happens I will be happy to thell him (it's pretty obvious it's a him isn't it) to get F***d
 

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I feel I should apologies to some on here....I spoke to my astrologist yesterday and they let me know that Mars is slightly out of alignment for my sign and it has been leading me to make rash decisions and speak to abruptly. But the good news is that it should only last a couple more days. Until then I will try and keep a low profile. (It can be hard for us fire signs can be hard to keep a lid on our emotions some times :) )
 

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I feel I should apologies to some on here....I spoke to my astrologist yesterday and they let me know that Mars is slightly out of alignment for my sign and it has been leading me to make rash decisions and speak to abruptly. But the good news is that it should only last a couple more days. Until then I will try and keep a low profile. (It can be hard for us fire signs can be hard to keep a lid on our emotions some times :) )
WTF Woodsie...
I try to apologies and you think it's funny. Real classy :(
 

Woodsie

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@MuzztheEagle .. While I have you in a contemplative mood ... what's your take on sports stars thanking God after a victory .. it would make a bit more sense to me if after the event 10 other losers woud get up and say .."fukk God, I prayed too " ... or called the winner a God Botherer and diety fanboi ....
 

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@MuzztheEagle .. While I have you in a contemplative mood ... what's your take on sports stars thanking God after a victory .. it would make a bit more sense to me if after the event 10 other losers woud get up and say .."fukk God, I prayed too " ... or called the winner a God Botherer and diety fanboi ....
It's nice of God to bless a sportsperson isn't. I mean he could be off helping people suffering from famine, war and mental illness (lol, probably not the last one). But that millionaire sportsperson REALLY needs help don't they!
Must be nice to have that hotline to god for when you really need it.
If a Christian beats a Muslim/Buddhist/whatever (or the reverse) and then thanks God. Are they implying that their god is superior? Seems a bit insensitive to me!
 

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The Devil made astology for idle minds ... next thing you know you will tell me Gwenyth Paltrow makes sense ...
Mate, don't be so cynical!
Energy healing fixed my bad back and a psychic recently allowed me to connect with my dead cat. I'm walking evidence that spiritualism works!

Edit: sure the voltaren might have helped and I never actually had a cat but everything just felt right. Like I was connect to things somehow. How can you explain that?
 

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I'd love it if one day an atheist begins his winners speech, "Wow, this is unbelievable, I'd first like to thank the big bang, and great great grandma and grandpa amoeba, without you I never could have achieved this, also my whole family, including all my primate cousins, for your support and inspiration"
 

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Well it looks like the government has bitten off a fair bit more than they can chew with their attempted bill:
If only everyone knew what the TRUE God was then we probably wouldn't be arguing over what needed to be done. If only God had the power to show us the undeniable truth.....oh wait, he does (apparently)....hello....God?....a little help please.

In regards to the bill, and the apparent need for it, I'm curious; can anyone on here give a recent example of when they were discriminated against because of their religion?
 
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Woodsie

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Well it looks like the government has bitten off a fair bit more than they can chew with their attempted bill:
If only everyone knew what the TRUE God was then we probably wouldn't be arguing over what needed to be done. If only God had the power to show us the undeniable truth.....oh wait, he does (apparently)....hello....God?....a little help please.

In regards to the bill, and the apparent need for it, I'm curious; can anyone on here give a recent example of when they discriminated against because of their religion?
If, as a member of the athiest community .. I am free to express my views openly and without fear of persecution or prosecution ... is it not then discrimination to restrict or illegalise the faith-based groups .. (got to love that description of them) .. from the open expression of their views .. ??

On the matter of God's will being manifest ... I recall a previous contributor advising that you need to speak to somebody learned in the Bible for a better interpretation of the scriptures .... all I can conclude on that matter is ..... that if an Omnipotent God, his Son, and the divinely inspired authors of the bible, along with 2000 years of infallable Popes and millions of clergymen have been unable to make even 2 sentences in plain language that didn't require "translation" .... they are either incompetent in the extreme .... or it is a conspiracy to delude the gullible ...
 

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If, as a member of the athiest community .. I am free to express my views openly and without fear of persecution or prosecution ... is it not then discrimination to restrict or illegalise the faith-based groups .. (got to love that description of them) .. from the open expression of their views .. ??
But where is this happening? Has anyone had their views silenced by the government?

On the matter of God's will being manifest ... I recall a previous contributor advising that you need to speak to somebody learned in the Bible for a better interpretation of the scriptures .... all I can conclude on that matter is ..... that if an Omnipotent God, his Son, and the divinely inspired authors of the bible, along with 2000 years of infallable Popes and millions of clergymen have been unable to make even 2 sentences in plain language that didn't require "translation" .... they are either incompetent in the extreme .... or it is a conspiracy to delude the gullible ...
Yep.
 

Woodsie

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Bet she's got no bush down their too ...... My kids are never going to see a hairy clam.....
As always ... you get straight to the major issues .... however you need to remember that this Barbie is the imaginings of the Godly ... and I am not certain they do it with the lights on and have anything other than a vague impression of what a clam may be ... hairy or otherwise ... the razor is the devils work ..
 
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