New Coaching Team

[R3]

Caaaa Leeee aaaallllll…..,

 

[Woodsie]

Mateeeeee. You went off like a frog in a sock a few years back at one of my posts and apprently were going to report me to the mods and Block me forever.

Not that I keep scorenof these things mind you.

Yep .. a totally rational and reasonable response when dealing with numbnuts ...

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Seibold's strange role in Manly assistant's sacking

The yet-to-be-announced coach is taking a hands-on approach.

www.zerotackle.com

With an approach like that, what could possibly go wrong? You would think the biggest thing that needs fixing is the franchise’s (they’re not really the club) governance processes.

Are we certain that Mestrov isn’t just Wolman? Has anyone ever seen them together?

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

Seibold is going to need a thick skin. Hasn't even officially got the job yet and the white-anting in the media ("What sort of a dickhead would ring up a bloke to sack him before he's even got the coaching gig?") has already begun.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Seibold's strange role in Manly assistant's sacking

The yet-to-be-announced coach is taking a hands-on approach.

www.zerotackle.com

Nothing story. Most likely just a courtesy by Seibold to personally inform Monaghan etc that his plans won't include them. All these people will continue to come across each other in future in rugby-league-land and quite reasonable to call them directly to say it's not personal. And he certainly wouldn't be formally giving them notice.
And it's not as though any of them would be remotely surprised about it!
Nothing story.

 

[BOZO]

Nothing story. Most likely just a courtesy by Seibold to personally inform Monaghan etc that his plans won't include them. All these people will continue to come across each other in future in rugby-league-land and quite reasonable to call them directly to say it's not personal. And he certainly wouldn't be formally giving them notice.
And it's not as though any of them would be remotely surprised about it!
Nothing story.

The job of the melodrama media is to over dramatize and suck people in to reading their sorry

A Most rational sensible and logical post by you @SeaEagleRock8 . Well said !

 

[Ryan]

With an approach like that, what could possibly go wrong? You would think the biggest thing that needs fixing is the franchise’s (they’re not really the club) governance processes.

Are we certain that Mestrov isn’t just Wolman wearing a Balkanite mask, with a gorilla-like grin and false teeth thrown in?

Yeah, how dare he attempt to you know, actually communicate with the sources themselves? And if every employee of Manly don't know who the new coach is going to be, something is very wrong. Good on Siebold for having the balls, and courage to do this.

This article just re-affirmed to me that Siebold has the coconuts to do this jobs and make decisions without nonsense.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Yep .. a totally rational and reasonable response when dealing with numbnuts ...

I totally agree and yes you can be and are often a numbnut of the highest order.

I don't hold that against you thou. It's obviously just who you are.

You obviously don't remember your meltdown where you suggested that In all your time on ST you had never been so offended by a post and that A. You were reporting it to the mods and B. For the first time ever you were going yo put me in your block list.
Given you never replied or commented on any posts of mine for a long time after I considered it a done deal.
I'm so disappointed it turns out you didn't follow thru with your threats.

Oh well another hollow effort laid bare.

 

[Woodsie]

I totally agree and yes you can be and are often a numbnut of the highest order.

I don't hold that against you thou. It's obviously just who you are.

You obviously don't remember your meltdown where you suggested that In all your time on ST you had never been so offended by a post and that A. You were reporting it to the mods and B. For the first time ever you were going yo put me in your block list.
Given you never replied or commented on any posts of mine for a long time after I considered it a done deal.
I'm so disappointed it turns out you didn't follow thru with your threats.

Oh well another hollow effort laid bare.

Feel free to find and repost here ... I do remember it ... and why .. and I'm not sure you will come out smelly like a rose ... but then again we can put your comments at the time under public scrutiny


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[Tragic Eagle]

How would the press know about the call even if it were true? Logically can only come from Mona himself or someone within the club he allegedly told. That sort of leak is just white anting coming from within. I wonder who it was?

 

[ManlyTragic]

Seibold is going to need a thick skin. Hasn't even officially got the job yet and the white-anting in the media ("What sort of a dickhead would ring up a bloke to sack him before he's even got the coaching gig?") has already begun.

Hey what about the white anting on this site! Many on here would like him sacked before he starts!

Just sayin’

 

[Ryan]

Jim Dymock is a pretty solid get, too isn't he?

I'd also say Kristie is being moved on so Daley can take the role.

These are the tough decisions Mestrov has been asked to make, and in my mind, he's passing all with flying colours.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Feel free to find and repost here ... I do remember it ... and why .. and I'm not sure you will come out smelly like a rose ... but then again we can put your comments at the time under public scrutiny


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Oh you Do remember now?

I do remember thinking at the time that you were very wound up for no good reason. There was nothing in that post other than the accusation of you being a bully on here towards some people. I know exactly the bit you fired up over which as I said at the time was a total overreaction.

As I still work I don't have time to search for the post in question but feel free to find and put it to the smelly rose test.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Jim Dymock is a pretty solid get, too isn't he?

I'd also say Kristie is being moved on so Daley can take the role.

These are the tough decisions Mestrov has been asked to make, and in my mind, he's passing all with flying colours.

The Kirsty Fulton thing has further ramifications.

I see this as the Purge Penn has always wanted but was too afraid to push the button on. Regardless of his ownership of the club Bob fulton always stood in the corner as a huge shadow and once he went it was just about timing for Penn to take back control.

This club will be whitewashed over the next few years with any of the past powerbrokers sent to the chop shop.

 

[Ryan]

The Kirsty Fulton thing has further ramifications.

I see this as the Purge Penn has always wanted but was too afraid to push the button on. Regardless of his ownership of the club Bob fulton always stood in the corner as a huge shadow and once he went it was just about timing for Penn to take back control.

This club will be whitewashed over the next few years with any of the past powerbrokers sent to the chop shop.

Mate, I guess like the playing group, if the people coming in are upgrades in the positions, great. That said, I hope the club is taking into consideration the human element in all this - we are heading into the Christmas period, and people's finances are often stretched. I hope they handle these situations with discretion and class.

 

[gomanly]

The only Fulton I would keep around is Zac

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Mate, I guess like the playing group, if the people coming in are upgrades in the positions, great. That said, I hope the club is taking into consideration the human element in all this - we are heading into the Christmas period, and people's finances are often stretched. I hope they handle these situations with discretion and class.

My concern is that for way too long the words discretion and class haven't been anywhere near the name Manly. We need to change.

 

[Ryan]

My concern is that for way too long the words discretion and class haven't been anywhere near the name Manly. We need to change.

Agree 100% mate. Totally on board with you there.

 

[Koko22]

Why can’t Shane Flanagan get a head coaching look-in?​

Eleven coaches have been shown the door since Shane Flanagan was cleared to step back into game, so why can’t he get a look-in at clubs with vacant head coaching roles asks Paul Kent?

The greatest problem for Shane Flanagan, it seems, is that he keeps getting up when people believe he should stay down.
He won’t stay away, which many consider to be the polite response.
Flanagan has been in the thick of it again this week.
Anthony Seibold is attempting to save his career, his last shot by taking over Manly, and the first big business he does is try to lure Flanagan to be his assistant.
He knows the value Flanagan still has as a coach.
It carries a deep irony, though.
As much as Flanagan is trying to find ways to revive his career, so is Seibold.

And the difference between success and failure for the new Manly coach might not be so much what he has learned since being sacked at the Broncos, one of the more spectacular crashes in recent times, as it might be the man about to be alongside him.

Flanagan has yet to agree to Manly but most believe it will happen.

Within the club Flanagan is regarded as an essential part to helping Seibold succeed.

If so, why not appoint Flanagan as the head coach?

It is confusing.

The question might more be why can’t Shane Flanagan get a job?


It is not yet Christmas but already four coaches have been sacked this year after Des Hasler was tossed out at Manly a week ago.

Manly’s problems are not as severe as they are at Wests Tigers, Canterbury or the Warriors, yet Flanagan did not get a proper look in at any of them either.

Canterbury has hired the latest Next Big Thing and anybody that has come across Cameron Ciraldo is certain he will be a successful long-term coach.

The Warriors have gambled somewhat more, hiring another Penrith assistant with impressive credentials in Andrew Webster.


But the gold medal goes to the Tigers, who have appointed Tim Sheens for two seasons before the rookie Benji Marshall takes over and attempts to turn water into wine.

Against that, Flanagan would look a safe bet.

To be fair, Flanagan had a bit to come back from: caught cheating while he was suspended for cheating.

The first for his role in Cronulla’s peptide scandal, the second for communicating with the club while he was supposed to be serving his suspension for the peptide scandal, which was forbidden.

There is plenty of nuance around each — mitigating circumstances that sway you either way depending on your persuasion — but that is the guts of it.

Spark a conversation around it and it soon becomes messy.

One argument being, what is the point of any punishment if we don’t believe in redemption at the end of it?


Flanagan has served his time, and continues to do so.

There are only two reasons Flanagan should even consider taking up Seibold’s offer.

It puts him back on the tools, firstly, in what is probably the last honest area of coaching. No contracts or managers to worry about, no salary caps or sponsors.

The second is less positive, but sits him over Seibold’s shoulder to wait patiently until Seibold fails and where he is in prime position to take over.

What he would learn from Seibold, in comparison to what he would provide, is questionable.

Flanagan is one of the best coaches around the NRL and without doubt the best NRL coach currently without a job.

What he did at Cronulla was close to remarkable.

He took over the Sharks near the end of the 2010 season when they were 14th and without hope.

In his second full season he got the Sharks to the finals, missed the 2014 season because of his first suspension, and in 2016 took the Sharks to their first and only premiership.


He lost the job when he was deregistered for his second offence.

Go back as far as you like and there are few coaches capable of taking a team from near the bottom of the ladder all the way to a premiership, especially without an overarching club figure also involved, which Flanagan never had at Cronulla.

Yet he did, assembling the roster and coaching the team to premiership success.

But Flanagan has been back for three seasons now, eligible to coach, and despite 11 coaches at nine clubs sacked within that time, Canterbury and the Warriors managing it twice, he has failed to get a start at them all.

He keeps being overlooked.

So much that Seibold, one of those coaches sacked since Flanagan has been available, rissoled from the Broncos just two years ago, has leapfrogged him into the Manly job.

Why he would join the Sea Eagles is one of those weird ironies only the NRL regularly offers.


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Flanagan is currently running the roster management at St George Illawarra where the praise has been enormous.

Against that, nobody needs to be reminded that Dragons coach Anthony Griffin has moved to the front of the line in the coaching target shoot and needs a strong start to next season to save his job.

You would assume Flanagan is primed to step in.

Why sacrifice that to take a similar place at Manly, where the coach has longer job security?

Manly briefly considered Flanagan before ruling him out. Too much like Hasler, they settled on, wanting to micromanage everything.

They believed it was the wrong fit for the playing group.

The thinking goes that Manly has always had a strong senior playing group which could handle the tough coaching under the likes of Bob Fulton and Hasler.

But this group is different. While the likes of the Trbojevic brothers and Daly Cherry-Evans and several others can handle the tough coaching there is also a large posse of young players coming through, predominantly Polynesian, who would respond better to a more modern style that Seibold presents.


The Sea Eagles can explain Seibold’s failure at Brisbane by the lack of a senior figure like he had in Shane Richardson at Souths.

The job was too big for him at Brisbane, and Manly believes Seibold has learned the mistakes from that. Certainly he lost his way, and by the end he was a vastly different man to the one that walked into the job.

If he carries any of the baggage from that stint, though, it will end the same way.

That’s why Flanagan is so wanted at Manly, to assume a guidance role like Richardson was at Souths to help Seibold through when the realities stray from rugby league theory.

It makes Flanagan more right for Manly than Manly is right for him.

It makes Flanagan right for a lot of clubs, yet they continue to overlook him.

 

[ManlyTragic]

Jim Dymock is a pretty solid get, too isn't he?

I'd also say Kristie is being moved on so Daley can take the role.

These are the tough decisions Mestrov has been asked to make, and in my mind, he's passing all with flying colours.

Gees you have changed your tune on the CEO since the pride jersey days…. When he wasn’t even the acting CEO !

Just sayin’