LOL @ Tigers

[Uber Eagle 72]

Could be wrong but I suspect some NRL clubs pay peanuts for a lot of their admin people and possibly marketing as well.
In any case the message was probably not far off, what is ANZAC anyway just a historical relic, aren't we now AUKUS? In which case a jersey featuring US soldiers fighting foreigners in some desert, modeled by a UK forward, was maybe as apt as anything else!!!

I agree it is quite likely admin staff are not paid well! Not sure what kind of affordance this gives them not to do their job properly or not seem to understand what they are promoting in the case of Marketing. As for Anzac Day and it’s place I guess that’s a moot point as the NRL has decided it wants to promote it. They must believe that there are people out there who see it as something important. I for one appreciate this sentiment but can accept there are people who see it differently. I don’t believe in forcing my beliefs upon others.

 

[Woodsie]

I don’t believe in forcing my beliefs upon others.

It's a day to remember and honour the service men and women who made sacrifices serving their country .... it is not a choice between pineapple or no pineapple ....

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

It's a day to remember and honour the service men and women who made sacrifices serving their country .... it is not a choice between pineapple or no pineapple ....

I see your point mate and 100% agree it should be acknowledged. I just see it as fruitless ( pun intended) in trying to make people see this if they already don’t.

 

[lsz]

It's a day to remember and honour the service men and women who made sacrifices serving their country .... it is not a choice between pineapple or no pineapple ....

What about people who are against war (to be clear not my belief - I have an issue with the commercialism of the jersey without any follow up but not with basic principles of acknowledging those whose sacrifices themselves etc)?

An honest question how is this different to a inclusive jersey?

Considering that at various times there was conscription you could argue much like sexual orientation there is little choice. You could also argue that pacifist leaning / believing people should not be forced into wearing or watching a jersey that “celebrates” (like some on here said about the inclusive jersey) or even acknowledges war.

 

[Wombat64]

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So funny .......

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Good one Comrade, one of your best. Your foreign Masters will be proud of you.

Can't have those silly Australian's remembering and honoring the sacrifices made by the Anzacs.

Lest we forget .

Haha classic, it seems that when you've been railing self-righteously against politics in sport recently you really meant 'except for nationalism of course'.
And I thought your British masters might have explained to you that NZ is excluded from Aukus?

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

What does Anzac Day mean today? ( from the Australian Army web site)​

“With the coming of the Second World War, Anzac Day also served to commemorate the lives of Australians who died in that war. The meaning of Anzac Day today includes the remembrance of all Australians killed in military operations.”

Not sure how this compares to LGBT inclusion ( just saying it is very different) but I guess it might be like having pineapple on a pizza @Woodsie ?

 

[Woodsie]

What about people who are against war (to be clear not my belief - I have an issue with the commercialism of the jersey without any follow up but not with basic principles of acknowledging those whose sacrifices themselves etc)?

An honest question how is this different to a inclusive jersey?

Considering that at various times there was conscription you could argue much like sexual orientation there is little choice. You could also argue that pacifist leaning / believing people should not be forced into wearing or watching a jersey that “celebrates” (like some on here said about the inclusive jersey) or even acknowledges war.

If, for one moment, you truly believe that remembering the servicemen and women that sacrificed to defend Australia and democracy against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan .... is somehow an endorsement of war ... then I am truly saddened at the outcomes of our education system ...

 

[Woodsie]

Haha classic, it seems that when you've been railing self-righteously against politics in sport recently you really meant 'except for nationalism of course'.
And I thought your British masters might have explained to you that NZ is excluded from Aukus?

Pathetic response ... go down to the rocks on ANZAC day and spout your anti-Australian, self-hate agenda ...

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Pathetic response ... go down to the rocks on ANZAC day and spout your anti-Australian, self-hate agenda ...

No-one is disrespecting anyone you pompous galoot. Are you assuming I would disrespect fallen servicemen and women when my own family has lost members in active service?

If you are incapable of considering an idea without resorting to hysterical abuse I worry for your health. Better to just send an urgent missive to inform your King of this scandal and he will deal with it all.

 

[Woodsie]

No-one is disrespecting anyone you pompous galoot. Are you assuming I would disrespect fallen servicemen and women when my own family has lost members in active service?

If you are incapable of considering an idea without resorting to hysterical abuse I worry for your health. Better to just send an urgent missive to inform your King of this scandal and he will deal with it all.

Back tracking at a rate of knots ... next minute you will be waving the flag and marching.

 

[lsz]

If, for one moment, you truly believe that remembering the servicemen and women that sacrificed to defend Australia and democracy against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan .... is somehow an endorsement of war ... then I am truly saddened at the outcomes of our education system ...

Like I said it is not my personal belief but could understand there are those in society who do not believe in war no matter what the circumstances. They would find this jersey as offensive as some of the Manly team did the rainbow
My simple question is why is this jersey okay but an inclusion one / diversity one is not if there are people who are going to be offended ?

 

[Woodsie]

Like I said it is not my personal belief but could understand there are those in society who do not believe in war no matter what the circumstances. They would find this jersey as offensive as some of the Manly team did the rainbow
My simple question is why is this jersey okay but an inclusion one / diversity one is not if there are people who are going to be offended ?

I am finding it increasingly difficult to accept that you are concerned that some people would be offended by us honouring those that have sacrificed ... if any of those people actually exist outside of your imagination.

However, to suggest that we as a nation, would or should neglect or dishonor those that have served, to appease a minority of wee sensitive souls ... is dangerous .

If you stand for nothing ... what is your value.

 

[lsz]

I am finding it increasingly difficult to accept that you are concerned that some people would be offended by us honouring those that have sacrificed ... if any of those people actually exist outside of your imagination.

However, to suggest that we as a nation, would or should neglect or dishonor those that have served, to appease a minority of wee sensitive souls ... is dangerous .

If you stand for nothing ... what is your value.

There are many famous pacifists who do not believe in war no matter what the result. Sure they are not the majority and you could argue their view is out of step with society….kinda like….other things.

For the record I am fine with the jersey provided that it is done in a tasteful way and helps with ongoing education etc…kinda like….other ones

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

However, to suggest that we as a nation, would or should neglect or dishonor those that have served, to appease a minority of wee sensitive souls ... is dangerous .

For me it's nothing to do with what we do as a nation, the issue raised by the tigers jersey fiasco highlights what the NRL does as a sport entertainment business ...

Specifically, what politics does the game go with, and why.

You do realise the Tigers aren't even playing a game on Anzac Day, don't you!!!??? Lol

Exploiting the sacredness and solemnity of the Anzac story for the purpose of financial profit?? Yeah let's whack a picture of some soldiers on the jersey and we can sell a few more, make some money out of this.

 

[Woodsie]

For me it's nothing to do with what we do as a nation, the issue raised by the tigers jersey fiasco highlights what the NRL does as a sport entertainment business ...

Specifically, what politics does the game go with, and why.

You do realise the Tigers aren't even playing a game on Anzac Day, don't you!!!??? Lol

Exploiting the sacredness and solemnity of the Anzac story for the purpose of financial profit?? Yeah let's whack a picture of some soldiers on the jersey and we can sell a few more, make some money out of this.

WOW ... there you go ... come up with a completely different subject ... and argue as if I had somehow disagreed with it.

Whether we should or shouldn't have an ANZAC jersey wasn't what we were discussing.

 

[Woodsie]

There are many famous pacifists who do not believe in war no matter what the result. Sure they are not the majority and you could argue their view is out of step with society….kinda like….other things.

For the record I am fine with the jersey provided that it is done in a tasteful way and helps with ongoing education etc…kinda like….other ones

To answer your earlier question
. How does this differ from the Gay pride jersey ...

The obvious Mt. Olympus of difference is that no body is activly forcing your pacifists to don yon kilt and march down George St, in a show of support .

Unlike the the pride situation where the 7 were actively forced into a position of being told to wear it, participate or you will be banned from playing.

 

[Seagles68]

To answer your earlier question
. How does this differ from the Gay pride jersey ...

The obvious Mt. Olympus of difference is that no body is activly forcing your pacifists to don yon kilt and march down George St, in a show of support .

Unlike the the pride situation where the 7 were actively forced into a position of being told to wear it, participate or you will be banned from playing.

You're probably right Woodsie (and rainbow jumper aside) but can you imagine the furore if there were players that said they didn't want to wear an ANZAC jumper??!! (and I'm not saying they shouldn't) I suspect even if they didn't want to wear it, the grief they would receive just wouldn't be worth it.

 

[Woodsie]

You're probably right Woodsie (and rainbow jumper aside) but can you imagine the furore if there were players that said they didn't want to wear an ANZAC jumper??!! (and I'm not saying they shouldn't) I suspect even if they didn't want to wear it, the grief they would receive just wouldn't be worth it.

Interesting point ... my opinion would tend to be formed based on whether there would be punitive measures taken against them if they didn't ...

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

Some of these comments are hard to understand.
The whole point of Anzac Day is a reminder of the horrors of war. Nothing much worse than death. The whole point of lest we forget. It certainly does nothing what so ever to promote war if anything the exact opposite. I would love to actually meet one of these so called pacifists that have a problem with Anzac Day. I know pacifists obviously exist but ones that actually have a problem with remembering the soldiers that lost their lives seems more a figment of the imagination than real.