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Just from memory, when Des rejoined wasn't one of the contract stipulations that while he could be involved in recruitment and retention of players, he would have no part in negotiating price.

This was done to avoid the back ended contracts that burned both us and the Dogs.
given a choice between
a) a bunch of back ended contracts giving a non-prestige club a 60% chance of getting a premiership over 2-3 years, and 1% chance of getting one in the remaining 5 years
b) no back ending and 5% chance of winning the comp in any given year
i know which one i'd take
 
For different reasons. Vautin was forced out because of the incoming salary cap. Plus I don’t think Lowe was too keen on a player whom he thought could be a troublemaker.

I think that had more to do with Lowe than the cap. Not sure about the troublemaker bit, but Lowe coming in did coincide with both Fatty and Crusher getting offers the club knew they would never accept. I thought then as I do now, that Lowe considered both old and past their best and the offers they got (about half of what they had been on which according to Fatty's book was about 95,000 each ... which in itself gives credence to the cap theory) were his way of getting rid of them.
 
Fatty had slowed down quite a bit, his defence was good but he had done 2 or 3 years of non stop playing - Sydney comp all winter then pommy comp in the off season, and it was starting to show. He went to easts and ended the year in reserve grade.
 
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I'd have Tom any day. I still remember him getting up Paseka for being lazy in defence (and I bet Paseka remembers as well) and he also directs things from the back. Alot like Teddy does. He is a lead by example type (unlike DCE) but of course, he just needs to be on the actualy field.
Yeah this has got to happen at some stage.
 
There are only factions in a singular ownership structure if there is a lack of leadership.

I am not talking about the playing group although that is also a failing in leadership, I am talking Fultons or any of the other "reported" issues. I am amazed at the leadership void at the club that allows this sort of talk to mature and fester ALL THE TIME.

All this talk about who should be sacked, signed etc does not make a bit of difference under our current operating / ownership structure.

Sign Bellyache, sign munster, sign cleary or anyone else and it will not matter with our current approach.
 
OH you can imagine NRL 360 tonight. Slothfield and Hooper full throttle on Manly and K#nt supporting Ricky Stuart and the moaning b@stard on only a 6 day turnaround.
And they think we believe that they know everything that is going on behind the scenes at Manly
 
In 2008 and 2011
We had the same staffing model in the HO and that did not stop us from conquering the NRL

The HO do not win games on the field but only Great players do

The sooner we rebuild with dominating players .

The sooner we start to dominate

The Melbourne cup will never be won by Donkeys


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Only issue with that logic is that the rest of the teams have improved and we are still running the joint like it was 2008. We are so far behind.

We have donkeys leading our club.
 
Only issue with that logic is that the rest of the teams have improved and we are still running the joint like it was 2008. We are so far behind.

We have donkeys leading our club.

And not just ANY donkey's ladies and gentlemen, but the one's who starred in this movie scene:
 
Only issue with that logic is that the rest of the teams have improved and we are still running the joint like it was 2008. We are so far behind.

We have donkeys leading our club.
Also we had big Max involved so it was fundamentally different
 

OPINION​

Why Bob Fulton still casts a long shadow over Manly​

Andrew Webster

Chief Sports Writer
September 5, 2022 — 4.48pm

Manly coach Des Hasler spent most of Monday sitting in a room doing one-on-one season reviews with his players before attending the club’s presentation at The Star later that evening.
Doesn’t sound like a coach ready to move on, does it?

Manly superstar Tom Trbojevic has spoken about rumours coach Des Hasler may leave the club.

Then again, maybe it does. Aside from the praying mantis and sand shark, few eat their own quite like the Sea Eagles.

Manly are at war with themselves and the struggle involves familiar characters: Hasler, the so-called mad scientist who will never change; the Fultons, who deny they’re involved even though everyone says otherwise; Scott Penn, the chairman and owner who runs the club via remote control from New York; captain Daly Cherry-Evans, who again finds himself on the outer with some of his teammates; Peter Peters, who is mates with Hasler but also loyal to the Fultons and is always prepared to voice his opinion; and a new chief executive, in this case Tony Mestrov, whom Penn has parachuted in to finally sort out the politics on the northern peninsula.

If Mestrov succeeds, don’t be surprised if he’s poached by another organisation like, say, the United Nations. Unlike previous chief executives, he might just have a chance.

The late, great Bob Fulton still casts a long shadow over Manly but whether his children — all of whom work at the club — can exert the same influence remains to be seen.
Manly coach Des Hasler is under fire ... but why?

Manly coach Des Hasler is under fire ... but why?CREDIT:GETTY

Indeed, you sense we wouldn’t be reading any of this if the Great Bozo was still around, such was his ability to control the warring factions while usually getting his way in the end, bless him.

This is some mess, though, even by Manly standards. Not for the first time, Hasler’s methods are being questioned. He’s being told to “change”, just as he was in his last, toxic year at the Bulldogs.

Clearly, some at the Sea Eagles are trying to push him into walking of his own accord, even though he has one year left on his deal.

As most people know, Hasler is the most frugal individual in the history of rugby league, nudging out Paul Gallen, Wayne Bennett and Garry Jack for the title.
The late Bob Fulton still casts a long shadow over the Manly club.

The late Fob Bulton still casts a long shadow over the Manly club.CREDIT:FAIRFAX ARCHIVE

As a player, he once stopped in the tunnel at Brookvale at half-time to pick up a 50-cent piece (he maintains it was a dollar) but more recently, as coach, he did laps around a building waiting for free parking on the street to kick in before attending a function.

In other words, if Manly or the factions within Manly want Hasler gone before his time, they better get out the chequebook. The Bulldogs tried to box clever with him and his agent, George Mimis, and ended up paying Hasler a seven-figure sum for unfair dismissal.

There are two questions that require consideration before that happens.

Has Hasler lost the playing group? And if not Hasler, then who? Who else can survive the Manly viper’s nest?

Ignore the denials: the playing group remains split because of the Pride/Inclusivity jumper controversy when seven players decided not to play because of their religious beliefs.

Some players remain aggrieved they were not consulted. They don’t buy the line that the football department didn’t know about the change in the jumper.

Other players, however, are angry the players decided not to play, thereby trashing their season and a top-eight finish.

That Manly didn’t win a match since those seven players stood down speaks more about the playing group and their relationship with one another than their relationship with Hasler, who was a tower of strength during that ugly week of headlines and thinkpieces.

If anyone in a Sea Eagles jumper is looking for an example to follow from next season, they could do worse than look at the injured Jake Trbojevic on Friday night, sitting on the sideline in the pouring rain at Accor Stadium as his side took on Canterbury.

Some believe Trbojevic should replace Cherry-Evans as captain. It wouldn’t be the worst idea.
2GB’s Ray Hadley revealed on Monday players were angry when Hasler allowed Cherry-Evans and his family “special treatment” to stay in offsite accommodation when the entire premiership relocated to Queensland.

“So you had the coach allowing the captain to be special and live in a house away from the rest of the players,” Hadley, who was one of Bob Fulton’s best friends, said. “And that created a divide.”

It’s a dreadful double standard and an air-swing from the coach— but is it enough to move him on?

Questions are also being asked about his support staff, with a strong push under way to get rid of Don Singe, Hasler’s long-time head of performance.

There’s an argument the Sea Eagles looked unfit this season, getting overrun in matches including and, in particular, their infamous capitulation against North Queensland.
It’s a valid concern and very unlike Hasler’s Manly teams of the past, when he and Singe were at the cutting edge of sports science.

Hasler will sit down on Thursday with Mestrov and Penn, who has returned from New York, to thrash it out. If they enforce strict conditions on Hasler, stand back and watch the fireworks.
This is a line-in-the-sand moment for Manly.

For years, Hasler has been a law unto himself at the club. A noted control freak, it’s been out of necessity as Penn and the board show only a passing interest while a production line of chief executives who don’t know how to play Manly politics gets chewed up and spat out.

This is the Sea Eagles’ chance to be a professional football club run by a chair and board, which directs the chief executive, who then tells the football department and coach how it’s going to be.

I’ll believe it when I see it.
 

OPINION​

Why Bob Fulton still casts a long shadow over Manly​

Andrew Webster

Chief Sports Writer
September 5, 2022 — 4.48pm

Manly coach Des Hasler spent most of Monday sitting in a room doing one-on-one season reviews with his players before attending the club’s presentation at The Star later that evening.
Doesn’t sound like a coach ready to move on, does it?

Manly superstar Tom Trbojevic has spoken about rumours coach Des Hasler may leave the club.

Then again, maybe it does. Aside from the praying mantis and sand shark, few eat their own quite like the Sea Eagles.

Manly are at war with themselves and the struggle involves familiar characters: Hasler, the so-called mad scientist who will never change; the Fultons, who deny they’re involved even though everyone says otherwise; Scott Penn, the chairman and owner who runs the club via remote control from New York; captain Daly Cherry-Evans, who again finds himself on the outer with some of his teammates; Peter Peters, who is mates with Hasler but also loyal to the Fultons, plus his in-laws who underwrite his gambling habit and is always prepared to voice his opinion; and a new chief executive, in this case Tony Mestrov, whom Penn has parachuted in to finally sort out the politics on the northern peninsula.

If Mestrov succeeds, don’t be surprised if he’s poached by another organisation like, say, the United Nations. Unlike previous chief executives, he might just have a chance.

The late, great Bob Fulton still casts a long shadow over Manly but whether his children — all of whom work at the club — can exert the same influence remains to be seen.
Manly coach Des Hasler is under fire ... but why?

Manly coach Des Hasler is under fire ... but why?CREDIT:GETTY

Indeed, you sense we wouldn’t be reading any of this if the Great Bozo was still around, such was his ability to control the warring factions while usually getting his way in the end, bless him.

This is some mess, though, even by Manly standards. Not for the first time, Hasler’s methods are being questioned. He’s being told to “change”, just as he was in his last, toxic year at the Bulldogs.

Clearly, some at the Sea Eagles are trying to push him into walking of his own accord, even though he has one year left on his deal.

As most people know, Hasler is the most frugal individual in the history of rugby league, nudging out Paul Gallen, Wayne Bennett and Garry Jack for the title.
The late Bob Fulton still casts a long shadow over the Manly club.

The late Fob Bulton still casts a long shadow over the Manly club.CREDIT:FAIRFAX ARCHIVE

As a player, he once stopped in the tunnel at Brookvale at half-time to pick up a 50-cent piece (he maintains it was a dollar) but more recently, as coach, he did laps around a building waiting for free parking on the street to kick in before attending a function.

In other words, if Manly or the factions within Manly want Hasler gone before his time, they better get out the chequebook. The Bulldogs tried to box clever with him and his agent, George Mimis, and ended up paying Hasler a seven-figure sum for unfair dismissal.

There are two questions that require consideration before that happens.

Has Hasler lost the playing group? And if not Hasler, then who? Who else can survive the Manly viper’s nest?

Ignore the denials: the playing group remains split because of the Pride/Inclusivity jumper controversy when seven players decided not to play because of their religious beliefs.

Some players remain aggrieved they were not consulted. They don’t buy the line that the football department didn’t know about the change in the jumper.

Other players, however, are angry the players decided not to play, thereby trashing their season and a top-eight finish.

That Manly didn’t win a match since those seven players stood down speaks more about the playing group and their relationship with one another than their relationship with Hasler, who was a tower of strength during that ugly week of headlines and thinkpieces.

If anyone in a Sea Eagles jumper is looking for an example to follow from next season, they could do worse than look at the injured Jake Trbojevic on Friday night, sitting on the sideline in the pouring rain at Accor Stadium as his side took on Canterbury.

Some believe Trbojevic should replace Cherry-Evans as captain. It wouldn’t be the worst idea.
2GB’s Ray Hadley revealed on Monday players were angry when Hasler allowed Cherry-Evans and his family “special treatment” to stay in offsite accommodation when the entire premiership relocated to Queensland.

“So you had the coach allowing the captain to be special and live in a house away from the rest of the players,” Hadley, who was one of Bob Fulton’s best friends, said. “And that created a divide.”

It’s a dreadful double standard and an air-swing from the coach— but is it enough to move him on?

Questions are also being asked about his support staff, with a strong push under way to get rid of Don Singe, Hasler’s long-time head of performance.

There’s an argument the Sea Eagles looked unfit this season, getting overrun in matches including and, in particular, their infamous capitulation against North Queensland.
It’s a valid concern and very unlike Hasler’s Manly teams of the past, when he and Singe were at the cutting edge of sports science.

Hasler will sit down on Thursday with Mestrov and Penn, who has returned from New York, to thrash it out. If they enforce strict conditions on Hasler, stand back and watch the fireworks.
This is a line-in-the-sand moment for Manly.

For years, Hasler has been a law unto himself at the club. A noted control freak, it’s been out of necessity as Penn and the board show only a passing interest while a production line of chief executives who don’t know how to play Manly politics gets chewed up and spat out.

This is the Sea Eagles’ chance to be a professional football club run by a chair and board, which directs the chief executive, who then tells the football department and coach how it’s going to be.

I’ll believe it when I see it.
Seems like every sports commentator is having there say on us.
 
Looking at Crown Sports website (Home | Crown Sports) they have Schuster, Saab, Olakau'atu, Tuitavake, Sione Fainu (now at Wests Tigers) & Manase Fainu (now at Long Bay) on their books.

Interestingly they also have 3 ex-players of ours (Suli, Levi & Funa) & Andy Raymond (?) on their books.

They also have Josh Addo Carr & Luciano Leilua (both of whom agitated for early releases from Melbourne & Wests Tigers respectively) & Dominic Young (who has been rumoured to be in a potential swap deal for Garrick).
 
Looking at Crown Sports website (Home | Crown Sports) they have Schuster, Saab, Olakau'atu, Tuitavake, Sione Fainu (now at Wests Tigers) & Manase Fainu (now at Long Bay) on their books.

Interestingly they also have 3 ex-players of ours (Suli, Levi & Funa) & Andy Raymond (?) on their books.

They also have Josh Addo Carr & Luciano Leilua (both of whom agitated for early releases from Melbourne & Wests Tigers respectively) & Dominic Young (who has been rumoured to be in a potential swap deal for Garrick).
just had a look myself wow that shows quiet a big power block that have at our club never knew this. No wonder there are fractions, this sporting agency has a big say with some players at the club.
 
Seems like every sports commentator is having there say on us.
Yep,they’re having a field day.Thankfully the finals kick off and Manly will be forgotten soon enough.Two things that have grind my gears the last two days are that in Mestrov’s first presser upon taking over,he said one of the first things he needs to do is stop the leaks coming out of the club.Well he has failed at that or he is part of it to help the Fulton’s cause.The other issue is the hearsay or rumour of the Trbojevic’s/DCE relationship.That’s totally unfair on them.Should we get a run down on every player in the comps relationship with their teammates.DCE is an easy target in these types of issues
 

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