Club announcement - Matai & Stewart to Retire

[Mark from Brisbane]

Can the NRL please explain the difference between bochoc's claim and Snake's?

Don't tell me it was because bochoc was injured by scott at training and they deemed that action to be career ending?? Because that does not make sense, every one knows bochoc was carrying injuries and that one incident, which I am dubious to say ever happened caused anything.

So if this is the difference between the claims of bochoc and Snake then I don't know what to say. Except what utter F%&*^% BS.

Did Snake collide with anyone last year? Did he tackle someone and then that incident could be deemed to be the straw that broke the camels back??

Seriously this is ludicrous and Manly need to hit back. I am not a solicitor, but I tell you what I would think a half decent one could make a case of this rubbish.

Sadly this has been going on for years, one rule for the favoured ones another for Manly.

In most people's eyes we are the Silvertails and deserve to be brought down.

But I agree a precedent has been set, so only time will tell however by the time it's sorted the season will be gone!

 

[Chunky]

As much as turd burger hates us he isnt going to prevent us from fielding 17 players. Whether he fines us for thathe privilege is another thing.

It would be a really bad look for the sport.

No, he's not going to do that - but he'll sit back with joy knowing every time we have to bring a non top 25 player up it will put us further over the cap, and it will be with pure ecstasy that he will announce fines against us at the end of the season for breaching the cap.

 

[Eagles2nv]

No, he's not going to do that - but he'll sit back with joy knowing every time we have to bring a non top 25 player up it will put us further over the cap, and it will be with pure ecstasy that he will announce fines against us at the end of the season for breaching the cap.

Don't the rules allow for chronic injury toll?

I remember reading every season someone applies to the league to bring second tier players to cover injury toll.

I think those players come out of second tier cap and can't play if you have a top 25 back from injury.

 

[Simonmyers11]

I didn't say anything about the NRL. I was asking about the insurance since they have the final say. Choc was used as an example because we all know he had injury worries.

Will the insurance company treat Snake and Matai the same way since they already had injury problems of their own.

Nothing to do with Greenburg whatever he thinks.

Will Insurance pay them out?

Not sure about insurance. Choc wasn't paid out by insurance, parra had to fork out his full payment, just wasn't included in the cap. Parra didn't want to pay for his final year as it was an option which is fair enough. Shouldn't have to pay for a player who cannot get on the field. The NRL deemed him medically retired so the 600k plus he was on the books for, was not counted towards their cap. Only reason they got under the cap for back end of last year and this year.

If NRL gave choc clearence why not Matai and Snake? Thats bull**** about choc having a new career ending injury. Parra should really have choc on their books for this year and next if they are being consistent. But we all know the NRL is run by fu $kwits

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

There's not an instrument invented that could measure the amount of my lack of surprise the nrl did this regarding Stewart.

We needed to do what parra did. Have one player 'accidentally' give stewart a career ending injury.

It wouldn't surprise me if someone from the nrl suggested this to Parra, but the insurance company saw through it at least. Both players have had a history of injuries, but the nrl decided to help one club and hurt another.

That's why I was initially happy when David Smith was appointed CEO. I didn't care if he slipped up on Cameron Smith's name to be honest. I though that finally, with an outsider the petty politics of the most tribal of boys club would become ineffective.

Unfortunately Smith was a dolt and it paved the way for the nrl to become more tribal than ever before with certain teams being overtly given special considerations.

Parra have been given special dispensation after special dispensation without the nrl feeling that they have created precedents.

Their 'we don't want to hurt the players' has not extended to the welfare of players from other clubs regarding salary cap "punishments."

Also last year when we wanted a player after the June 30 deadline they said no....it wasn't until Manly pointed out they did the exact same thing for Hayne and the titans that the nrl reluctantly agreed (was it winterstein?)

One thing I've realised from living o/s and seeing more of the worlds sports is: The nrl is a tiny tiny sport badly run by self serving revenge fuelled narrow minded amateurs who wouldn't last 6 months in any other major sporting organisation.

The fans suffer...it's a shame.

Great post @globaleagle , take a bow buddy!!

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

As much as turd burger hates us he isnt going to prevent us from fielding 17 players. Whether he fines us for that privilege is another thing.

It would be a really bad look for the sport.

It will only take one game forfeited to fix that issue!!

 

[Wombat Legacy]

The history lesson: Brett Stewart is publicly hung out to dry by the NRL who relegate him from poster pin up boy to bringing the game into disrepute. The reason, false and unproven accusations of a criminal act later dismissed in a court of law. NRL and David Gallop destroy the man's career and public persona in a guilty until proven innocent smear campaign. Manly club suffers collateral damage and the war on Manly picks up a notch from the usual "silvertail" hate agenda.
The outcome:
The Manly club and Brett and Glenn Stewart (and their backers including Peter Peters) say "**** you" to the NRL, and the war is well and truly entrenched. Embarrassment for the NRL on the podium after the 2011 premiership win, and the negative media portrayal ensure the die is cast for Manly, who ever since seemed to have caught more than their fair share of pineapples and rough justice calls from the NRL.
In the meantime, the Manly club implode time and time again due to factional infighting, personal agendas and disjointed management. Unfortunately that is all we see year in, year out, and my God is it testing it's fantastically loyal supporter base.
Let's hope that this can be worked through maturely for an outcome that is favorable to all parties, but particularly the fans. Being disadvantaged 1+ million dollars over the 2017 season is indeed a very high price to pay for Manly and it's fans. It is simply not tenable or acceptable.
But the moral to the story may well be, no matter how much you are taunted and poorly treated, never publicly take on your owners, employers and the power base in general. I may not be 100% with this, but it is agonisingly close to the money.
Honestly, what lies ahead for this proud club with it's steeped tradition if we never get a fair go?

 

[Shoe1]

Objectively signing a player in good form in August 2015 to a 1 year extension (for 2017) doesn't seem dodgy or extravagant. He played in 2016 for 9 games, so the injury couldn't have been pre-existing to August 2015.

Unless I have grossly misunderstood the circumstances. How could manly have ****ed up the above submission?? How could redwee not see the logic?

 

[davohan123]

There's not an instrument invented that could measure the amount of my lack of surprise the nrl did this regarding Stewart.

We needed to do what parra did. Have one player 'accidentally' give stewart a career ending injury.

It wouldn't surprise me if someone from the nrl suggested this to Parra, but the insurance company saw through it at least. Both players have had a history of injuries, but the nrl decided to help one club and hurt another.

That's why I was initially happy when David Smith was appointed CEO. I didn't care if he slipped up on Cameron Smith's name to be honest. I though that finally, with an outsider the petty politics of the most tribal of boys club would become ineffective.

Unfortunately Smith was a dolt and it paved the way for the nrl to become more tribal than ever before with certain teams being overtly given special considerations.

Parra have been given special dispensation after special dispensation without the nrl feeling that they have created precedents.

Their 'we don't want to hurt the players' has not extended to the welfare of players from other clubs regarding salary cap "punishments."

Also last year when we wanted a player after the June 30 deadline they said no....it wasn't until Manly pointed out they did the exact same thing for Hayne and the titans that the nrl reluctantly agreed (was it winterstein?)

One thing I've realised from living o/s and seeing more of the worlds sports is: The nrl is a tiny tiny sport badly run by self serving revenge fuelled narrow minded amateurs who wouldn't last 6 months in any other major sporting organisation.

The fans suffer...it's a shame.

100 percent agree with this great post
TB had totally destroyed the game with his leadership
NRL will never be the same again

 

[HappilyManly]

Objectively signing a player in good form in August 2015 to a 1 year extension (for 2017) doesn't seem dodgy or extravagant. He played in 2016 for 9 games, so the injury couldn't have been pre-existing to August 2015.

Unless I have grossly misunderstood the circumstances. How could manly have ****ed up the above submission?? How could redwee not see the logic?

The NRL reckons that they both had heavily backended contracts - that seems to be the issue.
Problem is, that the NRL registered those same contracts. 😕

So either make backended contracts non compliant or stop claiming that Clubs use them to cheat the Cap should a player get injured

 

[davohan123]

The history lesson: Brett Stewart is publicly hung out to dry by the NRL who relegate him from poster pin up boy to bringing the game into disrepute. The reason, false and unproven accusations of a criminal act later dismissed in a court of law. NRL and David Gallop destroy the man's career and public persona in a guilty until proven innocent smear campaign. Manly club suffers collateral damage and the war on Manly picks up a notch from the usual "silvertail" hate agenda.
The outcome:
The Manly club and Brett and Glenn Stewart (and their backers including Peter Peters) say "**** you" to the NRL, and the war is well and truly entrenched. Embarrassment for the NRL on the podium after the 2011 premiership win, and the negative media portrayal ensure the die is cast for Manly, who ever since seemed to have caught more than their fair share of pineapples and rough justice calls from the NRL.
In the meantime, the Manly club implode time and time again due to factional infighting, personal agendas and disjointed management. Unfortunately that is all we see year in, year out, and my God is it testing it's fantastically loyal supporter base.
Let's hope that this can be worked through maturely for an outcome that is favorable to all parties, but particularly the fans. Being disadvantaged 1+ million dollars over the 2017 season is indeed a very high price to pay for Manly and it's fans. It is simply not tenable or acceptable.
But the moral to the story may well be, no matter how much you are taunted and poorly treated, never publicly take on your owners, employers and the power base in general. I may not be 100% with this, but it is agonisingly close to the money.
Honestly, what lies ahead for this proud club with it's steeped tradition if we never get a fair go?

So true

I won't mention names for legal reasons but this proud club won't be a serious contender again until certain management figures in the club step down and take their harmful/ soul destroying politics away from this proud club.


We won't win another title everyone is on board with this motivation.. very much the years of 2005-2008.

The NRL are loving our infighting at the moment , specially TB.

 

[Fluffy]

Just another example of the joke that is NRL and bias for some teams but not others.

I cannot believe they are this inept, surely there is more going on. Maybe the parra paper bags will lead back to HQ, we can only hope.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

One things for sure, the recent release from the club and its contents was more about pressure on the NRL than it was appeasing the fans.

Trouble is, to date, that backfired..........OR maybe they wanted it to backfire as a prelude to a legal battle.

Over to you new CEO, and note, this is a bit different to running a school!!

 

[Eagleheart]

Sadly this has been going on for years, one rule for the favoured ones another for Manly.

In most people's eyes aware the Silvertails and deserve to be brought down.

But I agree a precedent has been set, so only time will tell however by the time it's sorted the season will be gone!

Thanks @Mark from Brisbane, you are right some teams are favoured more than others and so different rules apply as a result.

It just infuriates me and I would ask the NRL why I should be a fan of the product if my team is not treated as fairly as others? This would mean that the competition is in a sense stacked towards who they want to succeed. (This happens already of course, by strategies formed behind closed doors.)

But this Stewart claim, (and maybe even Matai's) is a public showing of different treatment of clubs and players and it is absolutely horrendous. Surely anybody and everybody can see this is completely wrong.

I will always love Manly of course, but these kinds of things just don't help the product.

The NRL need a change of leadership fast......!!

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Thanks @Mark from Brisbane, you are right some teams are favoured more than others and so different rules apply as a result.

It just infuriates me and I would ask the NRL why I should be a fan of the product if my team is not treated as fairly as others? This would mean that the competition is in a sense stacked towards who they want to succeed. (This happens already of course, by strategies formed behind closed doors.)

But this Stewart claim, (and maybe even Matai's) is a public showing of different treatment of clubs and players and it is absolutely horrendous. Surely anybody and everybody can see this is completely wrong.

I will always love Manly of course, but these kinds of things just don't help the product.

The NRL need a change of leadership fast......!!

The precedent has been set, now let's see if the club and the new CEO have the kohunas to see it through!!

 

[HappilyManly]

The precedent has been set, now let's see if the club and the new CEO have the kohunas to see it through!!

And the RLPA- where are they in this ?

 

[Steve76]

So if matai and Stewart are implicated in the betting scandal and are jumping before the NRL suspends them ( just like wayne beavis- retiring) does that mean we don't have to pay them out as they have been suspended or expelled???
Bit true to nrl, they will sit on their hands until manly pay them and include it in their cap before they act on a police report

 

[HappilyManly]

So if matai and Stewart are implicated in the betting scandal and are jumping before the NRL suspends them ( just like wayne beavis- retiring) does that mean we don't have to pay them out as they have been suspended or expelled???
Bit true to nrl, they will sit on their hands until manly pay them and include it in their cap before they act on a police report

Due process would take years in the Courts in that unlikely scenario. Only then could the NRL hand down their sanctions.

Slater hurt his shoulder in the SOO in 2015. He reinjured it last year and is doubtful to be ready by round 1.
Waiting to see if this would be classed as a 'new' injury or a 'compounding' one like Snake's 😡

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

And the RLPA- where are they in this ?

Exactly, about as useless as tits on a bull!!

 

[The Who]

What roles will Brett and Steve play in the club this season?
Presumably they can still do something to earn their wages, or are they both in Zimmer frames?