Club announcement - Matai & Stewart to Retire

[rifraff]

How does the Insurance for injuries work? Confused with the Choc thing. Isn't Snake and Matai in the same position. That they signed contracts with a pre-existing injury?

 

[globaleagle]

How does the Insurance for injuries work? Confused with the Choc thing. Isn't Snake and Matai in the same position. That they signed contracts with a pre-existing injury?

remember when some guy tackled watmough at training?

Parra said that the 'injury' choc got from this training mishap was the ONE thing that caused his career to end and no pre existing injuries (lol)

So the nrl said that it was a career ending one off injury so okay'ed it. (Even though the insurance company wont pay out and choc has threatened to return to training to get paid)

The nrl in Brett's case is saying that it is a culmination of injuries therefore pre existing therefore suck it manly.

 

[Brissie Kid]

Name one thing that the NRL has done since 2011 that has been to Manly's benefit? It seems every decision has been the other way.

Manly should start rumours that the club is going to Super Rugby to be the Northern Sydney franchise. Maybe then the Sea Eagles would get the NRL listening.

And don't forget all the things the NRL dealt to Snake over his career too.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Hmmm...yes....a certain sympatico seems to have built up between the oleaginous CEO of the NRL and our 'friends' at Faecalmatta.

Or am I just delving into the Conspiracy Theory Bin at the local Salvos' shop?

 

[Lord Eagleton]

No, you're not

 

[Mals]

Ok we need to announce that Brett and Steve have returned to training. A week or so down the track they can "collide at training" ala Choc and we can get them surgery in Thailand -faked or not up to them 😉. Then present our case fresh to the NRL using the Choc rule.

 

[Loobs]

Hope they aren't insured with QBE. Good luck getting a payout from those guys...

 

[HoldenV8]

Gee, what a shock, the NRL rejects the submission for Brett Stewart.....

NRL rejects Manly Sea Eagles' submission for Brett Stewart's career-ending injury
Michael Chammas

The NRL has rejected Manly's submission to seek a career-ending injury exemption for Brett Stewart that would have seen the now-retired fullback excluded from the club's salary cap this season.

Fairfax Media understands the NRL didn't believe Stewart suffered a one-off career ending injury, rather it was the toll of years of major knee problems that led to the 31-year-old pulling the pin on his career ahead of the 2017 season.

The NRL is still examining the submission put forward for Steve Matai, who - like Stewart - has been dogged by injuries throughout his career on the northern beaches.

It is the same submission put forward last year by their former premiership-winning teammate Anthony Watmough, who collided with Beau Scott during a Parramatta Eels pre-season training session leading into the 2016 campaign.

The NRL accepted Watmough's submission, however it is still held up by the insurer - delaying the pay-out for the former international and Origin forward.

If Manly are successful in convincing the NRL that Matai has suffered a career-ending injury, the Kiwi centre will have his contract value exempt from the salary cap.

Given the NRL rejected the club's request to seek an exemption for Stewart, the Sea Eagles will be forced to pay out the final year of his contract, which will also be included in the cap.

Both Stewart and Matai haven't been able to train with the team in the pre-season after undergoing off-season surgeries that followed an injury riddled year (19 games between them in 2016).

End to fine career: Brett Stewart. Photo: Getty Images

Stewart, who will go down as one of the best players to don the maroon and white, finished his career with 163 tries in 233 appearances for the club he joined with his brother, Glenn, as teenagers.

Matai (91 tries in 229 games) formed a formidable centre combination with former skipper Jamie Lyon, who also hung up the boots after last year.

The club released a statement on Friday afternoon to confirm the retirements of the two club legends, who featured heavily in a golden era for the club over the past decade.

"Manly Warringah Sea Eagles are seeking medical retirement clearances from the NRL for its dual premiership winners and one club champions Brett Stewart and Steve Matai," the statement said.

"The Sea Eagles are working closely with the NRL, the RLPA, and the players' respective managers, George Mimis (Stewart) and Gavin Orr (Matai), to give the players a dignified and respectful exit from their brilliant careers. Both players have been unable to train in preparation for the 2017 NRL season as a result of surgery at the end of 2016 and the inability to receive medical clearance to train.

"Manly Sea Eagles are working with the management of both players to give them the farewell they deserve in front of their thousands of adoring fans at Lottoland."

The Sea Eagles are already prepared for life after Stewart having groomed Tom Trbojevic as his successor during the past two years.

Trbojevic, considered a NSW Origin bolter in 2017, has followed in Stewart's footsteps scoring 18 tries in his first 32 NRL appearances.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...rett-stewarts-retirement-20170210-guaebq.html

 

[HoldenV8]

I'm starting to wonder whether or not Choc colliding with Beau Scott was just a story that the cheating speels made up to in order to get him off their books. Given everything we know went on with that 'club', I wouldn't put it past Arthur. I mean, we all know that Choc had been having knee troubles since at least 2010.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

And to what end? I understand the tussle between an insurer and club as to who pays BUT I can think of no reason why the NRL would force a club to keep a player under the cap who medical evidence says cannot play.

To stop clubs luring stars from other clubs on huge long term contracts, which no-one believes they can ever fulfill, due to their age and advancing decrepitude. If the player is to be paid anyway for the year(s) they weren't really ever going to pay, it effectively means they are being paid way more for the year Choc the player did play. Thereby cheating the cap.

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

I'm starting to wonder whether or not Choc colliding with Beau Scott was just a story that the cheating speels made up to in order to get him off their books. Given everything we know went on with that 'club', I wouldn't put it past Arthur. I mean, we all know that Choc had been having knee troubles since at least 2010.

As soon as they came out with that story I knew it was bull****. For a start, no one mentioned the "collision" at the time it was supposed to have happened - it only came up when they needed the injury to be "not pre-existing". Very convenient, and very difficult to disprove unless someone (a disgruntled Choc, perhaps) comes out and says it never happened.
Just another example of the NRL hierarchy rewarding cheats and liars. If you try to play it straight, you get hammered.

 

[Lord Eagleton]

As soon as they came out with that story I knew it was bull****. For a start, no one mentioned the "collision" at the time it was supposed to have happened - it only came up when they needed the injury to be "not pre-existing".

How is something like a 'collision' at training verifiable?
Its fine for Toddy who has an interest in Parra being strong and is helping them, but for the insurance company, they would need some proof, right

 

[Simonmyers11]

Yes Brett has had chronic knee complaints but when he signed his 4 year entension medically it was assumed he would see out those 4 years. Since then due to further collisions and sustained stress on his knees he is no longer medically able to play and the NRL just as it did for choc should medically retire him.
I was ok with the NRL's decision to retire Choc, shouldn't matter if its a one off injury or sustained from years of trauma, as in Matai's case. They should be cleared to retire medically because it was due to playing NRL!

The chocs case pissed off all us Sea Eagles supporters because of the scenario, and how it went down. We knew parra were cheating and choc was only retired to get them under the cap!

Both Matai and Snake have offered years of good service and in Matai's case probably have to deal with serious neck issues for the rest of his life! Can understand why it has to be a one off injury, bloody ridiculous. Chocs injuries were caused when he played at Manly. System is a joke.

 

[sheridanstand78]

This whole saga is really sad. The fact that both of these players have not played a game since half way through last season should be enough evidence for the NRL to exempt them from the cap for this season. You compare the way the NRL moved heaven and earth to placate the whinging worms over Whatmough and the shabby treatment dished out to our club suggests that while Greenturd and Grant run our game we will get NOTHING!! Viva the revolution and get rid of these parasites so that our game can live again.

 

[rifraff]

I didn't say anything about the NRL. I was asking about the insurance since they have the final say. Choc was used as an example because we all know he had injury worries.

Will the insurance company treat Snake and Matai the same way since they already had injury problems of their own.

Nothing to do with Greenburg whatever he thinks.

Will Insurance pay them out?

 

[Ryan]

Well here you go Tim Cleary, your first challenge !! I eagerly await the outcome of your hard work on this one.

 

[Cliffy's Ciggy]

Presumably the main benefit to getting Matai and Stewart to be medically retired would be to free up cap space and room in our top 25 for more signings this year...

Having said that, there aren't many available at the moment, unless it was a club trying to offload talent/coin.... anyone heard rumours about who we could be signing instead? Otherwise, its pretty clear we will just need to deal with the squad we've got.

 

[Eagles2nv]

Presumably the main benefit to getting Matai and Stewart to be medically retired would be to free up cap space and room in our top 25 for more signings this year...

Having said that, there aren't many available at the moment, unless it was a club trying to offload talent/coin.... anyone heard rumours about who we could be signing instead? Otherwise, its pretty clear we will just need to deal with the squad we've got.

I've been thinking the same thing. Basically we have built a squad this year with a 1M less salary cap becuase we would have known snake and skivvy wernt a certainty.

A major benefit clearing them is that I am sure some players have back ended contracts that we could now bring forward, saving future salary cap.

 

[Chunky]

Presumably the main benefit to getting Matai and Stewart to be medically retired would be to free up cap space and room in our top 25 for more signings this year...

Having said that, there aren't many available at the moment, unless it was a club trying to offload talent/coin.... anyone heard rumours about who we could be signing instead? Otherwise, its pretty clear we will just need to deal with the squad we've got.

It's not necessarily about more signings though. If we have to include these 2 under the cap, we pretty much have to have them in our top 25 listed players is how I understand it, meaning we really only have a squad of 23 players.

And then, the players that will inevitably have to come into 1st grade (cause every club will use more than 23 players), will then be additional spending - probably putting us over the cap limit. Meaning we then get fined for being over the cap limit.

Toddy will find any way to screw us. That you can be certain of. It's a joke anyway - if a player end up with a VERIFIABLE career ending injury, it should be cap exempt. No if's or buts. And if the contract is back ended, then perhaps the monies should be averaged out, and only anything over the average be included (a 3 yr contract at 300, 600, 900k - averages to be 600 per season - player retires in 3rd year - 300k still counts under the cap - they were ok once with us having to include other income in a previous years cap when T-Rex chose to leave).

 

[Eagles2nv]

It's not necessarily about more signings though. If we have to include these 2 under the cap, we pretty much have to have them in our top 25 listed players is how I understand it, meaning we really only have a squad of 23 players.

And then, the players that will inevitably have to come into 1st grade (cause every club will use more than 23 players), will then be additional spending - probably putting us over the cap limit. Meaning we then get fined for being over the cap limit.

Toddy will find any way to screw us. That you can be certain of. It's a joke anyway - if a player end up with a VERIFIABLE career ending injury, it should be cap exempt. No if's or buts. And if the contract is back ended, then perhaps the monies should be averaged out, and only anything over the average be included (a 3 yr contract at 300, 600, 900k - averages to be 600 per season - player retires in 3rd year - 300k still counts under the cap - they were ok once with us having to include other income in a previous years cap when T-Rex chose to leave).

As much as turd burger hates us he isnt going to prevent us from fielding 17 players. Whether he fines us for that privilege is another thing.

It would be a really bad look for the sport.