A clean out is not the answer

[Brisbane Tragic]

Having said that, a more balanced and dynamic roster is very achievable. At the end of this year, if we, for example, didn't re-sign Walker, Sironen, Gosiewski, Parker, Funa, Garrick, Croker, Boyle, Taufua (who are all off-contract) - we already have 2.5M to spend. Players off-contract at other clubs include Hynes, Aekins, Su'A, Finucane, Brown, Braiden Burns, Billy Smith, Ikuvalu, Hutchison, Talakei, etc - players that could be easily recruited. And this is not considering the possibility of an early release of someone like Taupau. So, not really "deluded" for Manly members in wanting an upgrade in skill and athletic ability

So question.... they could "easily" be recruited - how is that possible? I also didnt say people are deluded for wanting improvement. I want improvement - I am saying that people thinking there is some simple panacea and that yes players can be recruited "easily" just have no understanding of the market forces/contracts/salary cap availability etc.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

This is just like MaGregor at St George. They took far too long to move him on. Des is Des and appears incapable of change. This season is going to be dire.

 

[Franko]

Also why didn't we ship taupau out and keep AFB? Pay him the extra. We've lost alot going forward. Yet we keep the older one who's on the decline.

Wasn’t just the money for AFB he wanted out of Sydney for his family, source on this is AFB himself. I had dinner with him a few weeks ago had a good chat about his family and his days at Manly. He is a top bloke and I look forward to catching up again with him in the future. He had some good stories about the Barrett days....but I won’t post them here.

 

[Franko]

Dce is over rated over paid and apart from his rookie yr with all the greats around him he has done stuff all for our club apart from create divide

Completely agree, yeah he won a premiership but he had a team of champions with him. He is too inconsistent And not worth his dollar value.

He is a top bloke though and a cleanskin off the field, I really like his personality. However we need to look past that and remember as much as we are a Manly family we are a business that demands positive outcomes.

 

[Franko]

This is just like MaGregor at St George. They took far too long to move him on. Des is Des and appears incapable of change. This season is going to be dire.

Look how dragons are performing now with a decent coach

 

[hozza]

Overpaid, yes, but that is our fault as a club......we had him agreed for 850k...ish. Then stuffed around with internal bickering and chasing an obviously leaving Foran and let him sign with the Titans.

Then we had to return with our tail in between our legs and we overpaid.

An absolute cl*ster**** but 6 years ago so not sure what complaining about it every week will achieve.

We screwed the pooch with that whole process.

Overrated, well overrated and underrated are subjective terms based on on what you "perceive" them to be rated as.

I wont squabble on that front, what I will say is I do believe when on song DCE is in the top 2 halfbacks in the league in a league that is currently quite weak for playmaking talent.

He is still in terrible form though

Souths re-sign Adam Reynolds until 2021

South Sydney have re-signed a second big name in a week, handing halfback Adam Reynolds a lengthy contract extension until the end of the…

www.theroar.com.au

Report in several articles saying 500k. But even if he is on 800k, he represents far greater value than Moneyevans. Top 2 halfbacks in the comp? Put the crackpipe down..

 

[Franko]

If he is on 500k offer 600k and three years and sack someone like Walker who is on 600k offer DCE to Broncos and pay some freight

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Isn’t Des not allowed near the hiring/retention books?

Apparently so but he would have input I guess

 

[Disco]

Souths re-sign Adam Reynolds until 2021

South Sydney have re-signed a second big name in a week, handing halfback Adam Reynolds a lengthy contract extension until the end of the…

www.theroar.com.au

Report in several articles saying 500k. But even if he is on 800k, he represents far greater value than Moneyevans. Top 2 halfbacks in the comp? Put the crackpipe down..

Seems you are right regarding Reynolds price, good value there for Souths.

In regards to the second point, my comment was in when in form.

So polite and serious question, which halfbacks do you rate ahead of DCE if all current halves were in peak form?

I'll refrain from the childish quips

 

[Disco]

If he is on 500k offer 600k and three years and sack someone like Walker who is on 600k offer DCE to Broncos and pay some freight

I doubt you'll get him on 600k atm

Thats like saying Staggs is on 300k atm so offer him 400k an you have him.

You work off what people are offering now not what they offered at their last contract

 

[Franko]

Seems you are right regarding Reynolds price, good value there for Souths.

In regards to the second point, my comment was in when in form.

So polite and serious question, which halfbacks do you rate ahead of DCE if all current halves were in peak form?

I'll refrain from the childish quips

cleary, jerohme Hughes, George Williams, Reynolds there’s a few and they are all more consistent than DCE.

 

[Franko]

I doubt you'll get him on 600k atm

Thats like saying Staggs is on 300k atm so offer him 400k an you have him.

You work off what people are offering now not what they offered at their last contract

Reynolds has said he wants longer contract that’s why he hasn’t signed on with south’s. Offer a little more money and longer contract he wants....even at 700-800k he has more worth than DCE.

he might not be as flashy as DCE but he can control and game manage well, his kicks in play are better, his repeat sets are better and he is the best goal kicker in the game

 

[Jigzkiller]

Your obviously extremely close to the playing group and staff( staff member? Or volunteer). I get your trying to protect them but your actually doing the opposite. There MUST be accountability, and at the moment there is none. The moment everyone admits there is a problem is the moment you will start to fix it!!

Spot on.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Reminds me of the Black Knight skit in the Monty Python movie the Holy Grail.

 

[Jigzkiller]

Scott Penn in SMH today ....

“We’ve definitely got the squad to be competitive. There’s no doubting we have the talent. We’ve got some phenomenal juniors coming through the system too. We couldn’t be prouder of how they’re playing at the moment.

Penn may be snake

 

[Disco]

cleary, jerohme Hughes, George Williams, Reynolds there’s a few and they are all more consistent than DCE.

Consistency is a different measure and not the point I'm making.

But a peak DCE is far superior to peak Hughes, Williams and Reynolds. I like Reynolds, great kicking game and good at organizing a team.....but if he was better than DCE then I'm sure we'd be discussing all his test appearances??


As for Hughes I don't particularly rate him. He was smart to stay in Melbs as I think you take him out of that system and he'd be exposed.

Now again I'll mention the same disclaimer as I have over and over. Yes DCE is is in poor form, on the 3 games this year he would be in the bottom few halves but if he can turn around his form there is still a good player there.

Now I'll leave it as that as I understand people are hurting atm and want someone to hate on and a combination of price, form and a smug demeanor (which he has always had) make DCE an easy target

 

[Jigzkiller]

Now again I'll mention the same disclaimer as I have over and over. Yes DCE is is in poor form, on the 3 games this year he would be in the bottom few halves but if he can turn around his form their is still a good player there.

I thought he was poor last season also. A good soo series doesn't help us.

 

[Franko]

Consistency is a different measure and not the point I'm making.

But a peak DCE is far superior to peak Hughes, Williams and Reynolds. I like Reynolds, great kicking game and good at organizing a team.....but if he was better than DCE then I'm sure we'd be discussing all his test appearances??


As for Hughes I don't particularly rate him. He was smart to stay in Melbs as I think you take him out of that system and he'd be exposed.

Now again I'll mention the same disclaimer as I have over and over. Yes DCE is is in poor form, on the 3 games this year he would be in the bottom few halves but if he can turn around his form their is still a good player there.

Now I'll leave it as that as I understand people are hurting atm and want someone to hate on and a combination of price, form and a smug demeanour (which he has always had) make DCE an easy target

I’m not blaming DCE for the losses we have had not just this year, the last 15 games....the team has some poor players in key positions that is what is costing the team. Where DCE come into it for me is that he is not worth his 1.3 mil not even at his rare best. You could get the others I mentioned for half that, and spend the other money on the key positions that have poor players.

On the other hand if DCE halved his paycheck and met the price of the others yes I would take DCE.

People need to turn off their blind Manly love and look at it objectively without bias.

 

[hozza]

Seems you are right regarding Reynolds price, good value there for Souths.

In regards to the second point, my comment was in when in form.

So polite and serious question, which halfbacks do you rate ahead of DCE if all current halves were in peak form?

I'll refrain from the childish quips

In all honesty @Disco id take a few. I’ll give 3 for several reasons-

1. Cleary, in very good form and I think has a bit to go in improvement. All teammates love him, which is something I value as well. Great organiser and passer.

2. Reynolds, has been a top line halfback for years. Puts his team first( obviously from that contract). Is a obvious leader. Fantastic kicking game.

3. Keary , can play half or 5/8th. Despite his size plays well above his weight. Plays what’s in front of him. Sets players up or can scoot through a gap.

All 3 are light years ahead of DCE in my opinion, even at his best. And all 3 are proven team player/team leaders, which is hugely important as a half.

DCE was only at his best in a champion team, surrounded by quality players- Lyon, Stewart Bros, Matai, Kite, Watmough, Foran. And plays well on occasion for QLD( not all the time in my opinion.) Honestly the only way DCE and the club can justify his ridiculously stupid contract ( doesn’t matter whose fault it is) is by winning a competition. This years gone, next year doesn’t look much better. That leaves 2023. The drums are beating.

That’s my honest assessment @Disco.

 

[Jigzkiller]

Reynolds wants 700k for next 3 seasons. He offers more value than DCE, never heard Reynolds fighting with team mates or splitting a dressing room.