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28 man squad in 2021

Woodsie

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I reckon you will see the end of Miski and Anderson .... if they haven't made it by now ... with the extra outside backs we have coming .... they are Gonski in my opinion .... time to give their development spots to a couple of kids with more potential .... eg Fainu Jnr ...
 

Bearfax

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I reckon you will see the end of Miski and Anderson .... if they haven't made it by now ... with the extra outside backs we have coming .... they are Gonski in my opinion .... time to give their development spots to a couple of kids with more potential .... eg Fainu Jnr ...

Good chance you're right there Woodsie. Anderson has disappointed. Of course he's had no game time this year but last few years he didn't seem to show the same dynamic form he showed in the juniors. Miski is a smart young player, but unfortunately for him there are some kids that surpass him in skill available to the SEs
 

jbb/james

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I can accept what you are saying about employers. Business is business and tolerance is less demonstrated, if the benefits, profits are being damaged. Certainly I would be giving Walker a bit of stick for some elements in his behaviour. And he was through a reduction in his contract payments.

But in the end I would be weighing up his value on the field, which in the end is the primary factor to be considered. Other issues are annoyances, but if he doesn't produce on the field, just as with an employer expecting a work performance that benefits the organisation, then that is the primary factor in determining ongoing employment.

I've also blundered at work, a couple serious. During my younger years I was also shown the door twice. But I lost those jobs through an inability to produce in those roles, not because of blunders. As I mentioned it comes down to utility. If you are useful through your performance, you'll generally hold your position, because that's the primary reason you are employed there. If Walker produces on the field, other factors will generally be handled inhouse, unless the damage caused is just too much to countenance

Agree agree

Dylans predicament is that he hasnt been able to demonstrate his wares for various reasons. He is also one of those players you love or hate due to his aggresive approach to verbalism. If you mouth off and dont deliver players are seen as cocky. Australians dont always like cocky. Tezza was the classic but he did he back it up. All hail the great tezza who is eerily familiar both on and off field

Even when i played my coach always said. Mouth off if you want. But back it up or eat your boots and walk home nude

I like what you have said about his reduced contract reflecting his current standing but on the forum he will cop societies wrath. Its just the nature of the beast

not many footy clubs turn profit or even break even relying on sponsorship and goodwill through memberships and such so very few players actually pay there way.

Personal accountability is much higher in the NRL as opposed to being a tradie . As are the rewards.

I think there is a good footy player inside walker. He is the kind of player we need right now. Confident / arrogant but through many reasons he hasnt let his footy talk for him . I thought he was going great at 6 this year , kicking aside


Please dont see this as taking a different view as such. Just adding some extra considerations as to his polarising
 

Bearfax

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Agree agree

Dylans predicament is that he hasnt been able to demonstrate his wares for various reasons. He is also one of those players you love or hate due to his aggresive approach to verbalism. If you mouth off and dont deliver players are seen as cocky. Australians dont always like cocky. Tezza was the classic but he did he back it up. All hail the great tezza who is eerily familiar both on and off field

Even when i played my coach always said. Mouth off if you want. But back it up or eat your boots and walk home nude

I like what you have said about his reduced contract reflecting his current standing but on the forum he will cop societies wrath. Its just the nature of the beast

not many footy clubs turn profit or even break even relying on sponsorship and goodwill through memberships and such so very few players actually pay there way.

Personal accountability is much higher in the NRL as opposed to being a tradie . As are the rewards.

I think there is a good footy player inside walker. He is the kind of player we need right now. Confident / arrogant but through many reasons he hasnt let his footy talk for him . I thought he was going great at 6 this year , kicking aside


Please dont see this as taking a different view as such. Just adding some extra considerations as to his polarising

That's all fine. No issues. Though clubs don't make much, if any profit, it is still important to win to get the fans through the gate and encourage sponsors, who do benefit to a degree through advertising. Love or hate him, he is a player who produces when he's on the field, and supporters, like with all players, go to see skill and to love or hate them. Players who engender little emotion from the audience, are not doing their job.
 

jbb/james

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That's all fine. No issues. Though clubs don't make much, if any profit, it is still important to win to get the fans through the gate and encourage sponsors, who do benefit to a degree through advertising. Love or hate him, he is a player who produces when he's on the field, and supporters, like with all players, go to see skill and to love or hate them. Players who engender little emotion from the audience, are not doing their job.
I wouldnt cut him. Your right he is an entertainer
 

Mataiforerver

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1 Tom Trbojevic
2 Jason Saab +
3 Tevita Funa
4 Morgan Harper (gk)
5 Moses Suli
6 Josh Schuster
7 Daly Cherry-Evans
8 Addin Fonua-Blake
9 Nathaniel Roache +
10 Martin Taupau
11 Billy Magoulias +
12 Curtis Sironen
13 Jake Trbojevic

14 Cade Cust
15 Haumole Olakau'atu
16 Sean Keppie
17 Taniela Paseka

18 Albert Hopoate (surely no one will beat our 250k?)
19 Jack Gosiewski
20 Ray Stone +
21 Brad Parker (signed, no one will take him)
22 Zac Saddler
23 Tofoafofa Sipley (signed, no one will take him)
24 Keith Titmuss
25 Alfred Smalley
26 Sione Fainu
27 Manase Fainu (jail, hopefully free July 2021, will he count in 28?)
28 Lachlan Croker (signed, no one will take him)
Development: Koula, Trbojevic, Weekes, Pythian, Miski

Sold: Surely someone would take Boyle?, Walker (free cash), Thompson (ESL), Taufua (straight released from contract), Elliott (ESL), Metcalfe (unsigned ... any faith from Des? I would keep him) Levi (would rather him than Croker for depth, but is unsigned and no one will take Croker), Garrick (swap deal), Williams, Waddell

Signed: Saab, Stone (Eels, 2row cover, better than Gos), Roache (not getting a warriors contract, very underrated player), Magoulias (out of favour sharks, underrated)

I would happily keep Walker. But if it means we sign a couple good young second rowers I'd be keen to let him go to the Dogs.
 

pjayz

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1 Tom Trbojevic
2 Jason Saab +
3 Tevita Funa
4 Morgan Harper (gk)
5 Moses Suli
6 Josh Schuster
7 Daly Cherry-Evans
8 Addin Fonua-Blake
9 Nathaniel Roache +
10 Martin Taupau
11 Billy Magoulias +
12 Curtis Sironen
13 Jake Trbojevic

14 Cade Cust
15 Haumole Olakau'atu
16 Sean Keppie
17 Taniela Paseka

18 Albert Hopoate (surely no one will beat our 250k?)
19 Jack Gosiewski
20 Ray Stone +
21 Brad Parker (signed, no one will take him)
22 Zac Saddler
23 Tofoafofa Sipley (signed, no one will take him)
24 Keith Titmuss
25 Alfred Smalley
26 Sione Fainu
27 Manase Fainu (jail, hopefully free July 2021, will he count in 28?)
28 Lachlan Croker (signed, no one will take him)
Development: Koula, Trbojevic, Weekes, Pythian, Miski

Sold: Surely someone would take Boyle?, Walker (free cash), Thompson (ESL), Taufua (straight released from contract), Elliott (ESL), Metcalfe (unsigned ... any faith from Des? I would keep him) Levi (would rather him than Croker for depth, but is unsigned and no one will take Croker), Garrick (swap deal), Williams, Waddell

Signed: Saab, Stone (Eels, 2row cover, better than Gos), Roache (not getting a warriors contract, very underrated player), Magoulias (out of favour sharks, underrated)

I would happily keep Walker. But if it means we sign a couple good young second rowers I'd be keen to let him go to the Dogs.
You'll need two more players. It will remain a 30 man squad.
 

manlyfan76

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28 next year for Manly with contracted players Jorge and Fainu out for almost the whole year.
If it drops to 28 we are down to 26.
 

mickqld

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Next year is really a watershed year for this club. If we don't make top 4 then there is major problems going forward with any long term success or even Manly's future. 1/3 salary cap tied up on 3 players who aren't giving that value. Losing top players and replacing them with duds year on year recently.
Croker, Levi, Elliot, Parker, Waddell, Gosiewski, Garrick, Cust, Suli, Keppie. These are not top 4 team players. They're bottom 4 / reserve graders. We have to cull the deadwood and build a team like the Panthers have done. But it can't be some 5 year plan. Memberships will decline quicker than you can blink if the same mediocrity happens next year with the same squad of plodders. Des legacy is now tarnishing by the week after the Dogs fiasco and now where we sit. The new generation must be given preference now and into next year or we will lose more quality players.
 

Mataiforerver

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Tom Trbojevic
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Jason Saab
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Tevita Funa
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Dylan Walker
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Moses Suli
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Josh Schuster
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Daly Cherry-Evans
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Taniela Paseka
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Jazz Tevaga
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Martin Taupau
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Curtis Sironen
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Luke Garner
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Jake Trbojevic
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Cade Cust
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Haumole Olakau'atu
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Sean Keppie
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Ray Stone
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Albert Hopoate
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Brad Parker
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Zac Saddler
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Morgan Harper
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Sione Fainu
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Manase Fainu
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Keith Titmuss
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Jack Gosiewski
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Lachlan Croker
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Jorge Taufua
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Toafofoa Sipley
D1Kaeo Weekes
D2Tolu Koula
D3Ben Trbojevic
D4Luke Metcalf
D5Alfred Smalley

Gosi, Parker, Croker and Taufua will be hard to get rid of. They're contracted next year and probably will stay.

With AFB going, sign Garner and Tevaga, roughly 850k. Ray Stone from Eeels would provide good depth as he can play both front row and 2row. Try get rid of Boyle, Sipley seems to be loved by the boys so hold onto him.
 

Bearfax

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Interesting list there Matai. Be interesting if they hold onto Metcalf, given he's off contract. Would like to see Burbo in the 30 given he's already been in the Development Squad this year (even though he hasn't played), but from what I've heard he's just about ready for first grade...maybe early 2021. Noted you are as disappointed by Anderson as I am..could'a been a contenda.
 

The better Robbo

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Interesting list there Matai. Be interesting if they hold onto Metcalf, given he's off contract. Would like to see Burbo in the 30 given he's already been in the Development Squad this year (even though he hasn't played), but from what I've heard he's just about ready for first grade...maybe early 2021. Noted you are as disappointed by Anderson as I am..could'a been a contenda.
Elliott, Thommo, Garrick, Waddell, AFB, T rex and Metcalfe out. I'm suggesting we keep Levi as a back up hooker.
That leaves 7 spots to fill
Saab in for Garrick.
Then we would be looking for:
2 forwards
2 outside backs
2x utilities (half, hooker)
 

Bearfax

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Elliott, Thommo, Garrick, Waddell, AFB, T rex and Metcalfe out. I'm suggesting we keep Levi as a back up hooker.
That leaves 7 spots to fill
Saab in for Garrick.
Then we would be looking for:
2 forwards
2 outside backs
2x utilities (half, hooker)
If we can swap Garrick for Saab and make a good deal on AFB, that is pretty much on the cards. Not sure we need too many recruits. Outside backs for example would include Turbo, Taufua, Hopoate, Saab, Funa, Walker, Suli, Parker, Harper, Burbo. That's two teams worth. Where would we fit 2 more. And then we have Taupau, Paseka, Sironen, Jake, Olakau'atu, Keppie, Sadler, Titmus, Gosiewski and Sipley with Fainu Jnr possibly in the development squad in the forwards. We have quite a squad. A few top qualities added, but not too many
 

TagMonster

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NoPlayer
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Tom Trbojevic
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Jason Saab
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Tevita Funa
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Dylan Walker
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Moses Suli
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Josh Schuster
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Daly Cherry-Evans
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Taniela Paseka
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Jazz Tevaga
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Martin Taupau
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Curtis Sironen
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Luke Garner
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Jake Trbojevic
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Cade Cust
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Haumole Olakau'atu
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Sean Keppie
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Ray Stone
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Albert Hopoate
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Brad Parker
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Zac Saddler
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Morgan Harper
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Sione Fainu
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Manase Fainu
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Keith Titmuss
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Jack Gosiewski
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Lachlan Croker
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Jorge Taufua
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Toafofoa Sipley
D1Kaeo Weekes
D2Tolu Koula
D3Ben Trbojevic
D4Luke Metcalf
D5Alfred Smalley

Gosi, Parker, Croker and Taufua will be hard to get rid of. They're contracted next year and probably will stay.

With AFB going, sign Garner and Tevaga, roughly 850k. Ray Stone from Eeels would provide good depth as he can play both front row and 2row. Try get rid of Boyle, Sipley seems to be loved by the boys so hold onto him.
I like the list in general with a few differences. Can't see us holding onto Hopoate Jr. Think he will sign elsewhere for a starting gig. Can see a swap of Garrett and Saab, but also not sure Saab is a 100% starter. Suli is not a winger. He's a centre every day of the week. Swap him and Funa. Also think Harper will give Suli a run for his money opposite Walker. I like the Harper pickup, think he is underrated and will play that role well. I know nothing about Jazz Tevaga so will take your word for him.


Otherwise looks solid. AFB is a big loss though
 

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