The storm have..

[NLSeaEagle]

Seriously !!! They have a city of 4 million to draw on and one of Greenturds stated preferred model stadiums yet can't fill it ever and can barely crack a 19k average in an obvious premiership season . They have unlimited TPA from corporate support and unlimited assistance from the NRL. I wish Manly was doing it as tough as they supposedly are.

I think this obsession the NRL has with success in Melbourne is so ill conceived.
The "fans" are never truly going to buy into it. It's only about the money.

 

[Technical Coach]

Yeah their squad is ju

The theory of Melbourn having 3 players and converting average players is so overstated. They get the cream of Qld juniors which they share with the Donkeys. And have some outstanding representative players as weli. Bromwich brothers, Asofa Solomona, Vunivalu, Addo Carr, Chambers, Munster, Harris, Finnucane, Kaufusi. Where are these average plodders that he’s turned into stars. Then there’s the players they used to have who retired or let go Inglis, Folau, Korobete, Crocker, Kevin Proctor, Blair, O’Neil, Widdop etc the list goes on. And don’t bother crapping on about them being good players because of Bellamy. When you get free passage to pick the eyes out of the best juniors in Qld, anyone with one half blind eye would land talent. Yes Bellamy can coach, no doubt. Give him the Wests Tigers next year and let’s see if he keeps his 68 percent winning record.

You state it like Brisbane and Melb own the talent in Qld and no other club can spot approach and sign these players up before they get into the feeder system.

You would be hard pressed "for the most part" to name a player above that was a star or at the same level they are performing at now before Melb turned their careers around.

You are looking at the "give him West Tigers" point in the wrong way----he might not even rate most of the squad and would rebuild with players that fit his specific performance profiles/characteristics.

Along with adding his video analysis team and recruitment officers he would turn the club around in 3yrs to be more competitive than they have been.

Bellamy builds teams and culture that is why Origin is not his thing(too short a period) along with coaching against half his own talent.

 

[Technical Coach]

I gotta say I'm getting the same sort of vibe..................are you really really sure you don't support the Storm!!!

Just not a one eyed fan and can appreciate the work of other teams.

 

[Technical Coach]

Anyway fcuk Bellamy and that festering turd of a club. And seriously @Technical Coach?? Are you really going to keep pushing the argument that they aren’t cheats. Because they Feckin are, the very worst the game has ever seen. Don’t keep prattling on about everyone did it and how hard it was for them to attract players. Just cast your eye over the roster they fraudulently put together and compare it to every other side.

There are several teams in the past with the same real combined value and international talent but "obviously" kept under the salary cap.

 

[Kevinward777]

There are several teams in the past with the same real combined value and international talent but "obviously" kept under the salary cap.

Really? Please....apart from the rotting Donkeys at various stages. Name the team you refer to and list them 1-17 so we can compare them to rortsville. The one you are so passionately defending. The very squad that kept YOUR supposed side from winning the premiership in 2007. We did however wipe our asses all over your cheats the next year, 40 nil I might add. Where were all of Bellamy’s systems and innovation that year? I can remember a Bulldogs squad that was very talented and very deep. Oh wait they were rorting as well.

 

[Technical Coach]

One thing I will say about Bellamy as a successful coach against someone like Wayne Bennett at Brisbane.....really, especially in the last few years, other than their so-called "Big 3", the Drizzle have been a bit like we were under Des. They had a few talented kids plus a few journeymen players and he has brought out their best to keep them a winning team. Regardless how the club put together its core group and kept them there, Bellamy has managed to keep them at the pointy end of the field.

Bennett on the other hand, especially during the 90's, had virtually 3/4 of the Qld Origin and Aussie test squads at his disposal and frankly, even Peter Sharp could have won premierships with the talent they had.

In semi professional times stocking a club full of natural talent was enough to win a GF---not anymore.

With a bit of luck and not stagnating development wise even Manly could of made the GF this year, was a great effort from Barrett for the most part.(and technically Manly were way under the cap which goes to show many coaches have no idea as to what creates a winning formula and the right team makeup)

 

[Kevinward777]

You state it like Brisbane and Melb own the talent in Qld and no other club can spot approach and sign these players up before they get into the feeder system.

You would be hard pressed "for the most part" to name a player above that was a star or at the same level they are performing at now before Melb turned their careers around.

You are looking at the "give him West Tigers" point in the wrong way----he might not even rate most of the squad and would rebuild with players that fit his specific performance profiles/characteristics.

Along with adding his video analysis team and recruitment officers he would turn the club around in 3yrs to be more competitive than they have been.

Bellamy builds teams and culture that is why Origin is not his thing(too short a period) along with coaching against half his own talent.

Boy you’ve got all the answers regarding Bellamy. He’s such a misunderstood genius, he needs time to build a team and foster culture that’s why he was sh1thouse coaching the best NSW players. And the poor thing couldn’t deal with coaching against his players. Really? For someone who is so unforgiving when it comes to Manly. You sure do change your stance with Craig.

 

[Technical Coach]

Really? Please....apart from the rotting Donkeys at various stages. Name the team you refer to and list them 1-17 so we can compare them to rortsville. The one you are so passionately defending. The very squad that kept YOUR supposed side from winning the premiership in 2007. We did however wipe our asses all over your cheats the next year, 40 nil I might add. Where were all of Bellamy’s systems and innovation that year? I can remember a Bulldogs squad that was very talented and very deep. Oh wait they were rorting as well.

Kevin i am a Manly supporter so ease up.

I could mention several teams over the years and one in particular that was so obvious it is not funny---if Parra were so far over with a less talented squad i can imagine how far over this team was.

 

[Kevinward777]

Craig Bellamy has consistently coached teams saturated with quality players for his entire career. End of story. Can he coach? Sure, but to imply he’s had 3 players and 14 average guys is utter foolishness. Look at his sides that have won competitions and you will see that they have been as good as if not better than any team that was competing against them.

 

[Technical Coach]

Craig Bellamy has consistently coached teams saturated with quality players for his entire career. End of story. Can he coach? Sure, but to imply he’s had 3 players and 14 average guys is utter foolishness. Look at his sides that have won competitions and you will see that they have been as good as if not better than any team that was competing against them.

Name the players that were stars, or at the top of their form, or had already shown star potential before they arrived at Melb, "not many if any"

 

[NLSeaEagle]

Just not a one eyed fan and can appreciate the work of other teams.

Sure I get that ..............but you seem to have past appreciation and gone straight to full on blown out love affair!!

 

[Technical Coach]

Name the players that were stars, or at the top of their form, or had already shown star potential before they arrived at Melb, "not many if any"

Des for the most part was able to do the same thing during that period but not at the same level.

 

[Technical Coach]

Sure I get that ..............but you seem to have past appreciation and gone straight to full on blown out love affair!!

No just feel Melb are unfairly judged and feel a need to defend, but i get why fans are angry about the situation Melb got themselves in but you need to put things in perspective without loving or enjoying the "hatred".

 

[NLSeaEagle]

Name the players that were stars, or at the top of their form, or had already shown star potential before they arrived at Melb, "not many if any"

I will concede this, Melbourne recruitment know what they are doing!

They have the nucleus of stars and have recruited to compliment them well.
A perfect example are the 2 wingers..........

They have also been quick to off load players with obvious limitations (e.g. Green)

I give Bellamy credit for this but always have to caveat it with teh fact this job is easier when you have 3 of the best players in the NRL to build around!

 

[Technical Coach]

I will concede this, Melbourne recruitment know what they are doing!

They have the nucleus of stars and have recruited to compliment them well.
A perfect example are the 2 wingers..........

They have also been quick to off load players with obvious limitations (e.g. Green)

I give Bellamy credit for this but always have to caveat it with teh fact this job is easier when you have 3 of the best players in the NRL to build around!

And none of the "Big 3" were stars beforehand, basically not even really wanted.

 

[Kevinward777]

There are certain players that are so good that everyone knows that they are going to be stars before they’ve played first grade. Back in the eighties and nineties Alexander and Fittler, Daley, Clyde, Andrew Johns, Brasher, then Benji, Thurston, SBW etc there’s heaps more of them. Melbourne were stacked full of these types of players. Bellamy cannot create in a player natural ability, it’s either there or it isn’t. Would Inglis, Folau, Slater, Cronk, Smith, Hoffman, Bromwich, Chambers and many more like them (really couldn’t be bothered naming them all. Are they all superstars because Bellamy somehow gave them ability. No I mean Israel Folau is so good he can take twelve months to do nothing in AFL before becoming the only true superstar in the Wallabies side. Is that because he got coached by Craig? NO he’s just one of those immensely talented athletes of which Craig has had an absolute abundance of over his career. I mean FMD Inglis and co could have gone to the Squeels under Jason Taylor and they would have dominated in their positions, because they are that good. Bellamy or no Bellamy Smith, Cronk, Slater etc would still be champions.

 

[Technical Coach]

I will concede this, Melbourne recruitment know what they are doing!

They have the nucleus of stars and have recruited to compliment them well.
A perfect example are the 2 wingers..........

They have also been quick to off load players with obvious limitations (e.g. Green)

I give Bellamy credit for this but always have to caveat it with teh fact this job is easier when you have 3 of the best players in the NRL to build around!

Melb analyzed their team make up since the previous GF win against the Dogs that it was lacking in size and power initially, then improved speed, tweaked their play to play a little more lateral at times and reduced the amount of second man block plays using it as more of an option not a foundation to attack, hitting lead runners more and even improving their overall straightness.

 

[NLSeaEagle]

And none of the "Big 3" were stars beforehand, basically not even really wanted.

OK now you've lost me..................there's no way Bellamy made them stars!
KW777 post is right, some people are going to be stars (even if Laurie Daley is coaching them)

Anyway you need to end this "discussion" and accept you are wrong, I find myself agreeing with KW777 and consequently surpressing the urge to be physically sick!!

 

[Kevinward777]

And I might add, Bellamy has a lot of people around him doing a lot of things. His main role is to coach, and the only time he’s coached without his superstars he go his ars hole handed back to him on a plate. NSW showed him to be what he his. A good coach who has had the benefit of doing so with some of the best players in the game. But when it came to nullifying those players, even with his inside knowledge of their games, he failed miserably. Case closed.

 

[Technical Coach]

There are certain players that are so good that everyone knows that they are going to be stars before they’ve played first grade. Back in the eighties and nineties Alexander and Fittler, Daley, Clyde, Andrew Johns, Brasher, then Benji, Thurston, SBW etc there’s heaps more of them. Melbourne were stacked full of these types of players. Bellamy cannot create in a player natural ability, it’s either there or it isn’t. Would Inglis, Folau, Slater, Cronk, Smith, Hoffman, Bromwich, Chambers and many more like them (really couldn’t be bothered naming them all. Are they all superstars because Bellamy somehow gave them ability. No I mean Israel Folau is so good he can take twelve months to do nothing in AFL before becoming the only true superstar in the Wallabies side. Is that because he got coached by Craig? NO he’s just one of those immensely talented athletes of which Craig has had an absolute abundance of over his career. I mean FMD Inglis and co could have gone to the Squeels under Jason Taylor and they would have dominated in their positions, because they are that good. Bellamy or no Bellamy Smith, Cronk, Slater etc would still be champions.

You are missing the point, every other club had the opportunity to spot this talent but they didn't for the most part.

Someone who is over-rated is Wayne Bennett, just a good man manager and nothing more.