The Shane Flanagan Influence

[globaleagle]

Is that a typo?
Meanwhile...
How come no-one thought to call him Shame Flanagan??!

The shame moniker is reserved for that cheating ref, shame Hayne...

and Derryn Hinch tirades.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I'm not sure what the confusion is guys.

I'm saying Flanagan spoke to The Dragons way before people "believe" he did.

I'm saying he 100% would have put his strategies, suggestions, plans and structures on the table for them at that time (and they obviously liked what he said)..Whatever happened with Jason Ryles after that, no clue, but Flanagan is now their coach.

Regarding Siebold. What I'm saying is of COURSE he spoke to Mestrov (and very likely Penn) about HIS goals, structures, plans etc before getting the job.

That's how jobs work.

EDIT: As I said earlier, apparently not only is Flanagan after Tino....he's also after Fifita for The Dragons - possibly in a swap deal with Hunt. Funny how all this works.

I'm guessing that means he's not talking to their player managers about the club he's currently employed at then, is he?

The Dragons definitely wanted Ryles ahead of Flanno. In saying that, I am sure Flanno and/or his management would have reached out to the Dragons when they first got wind of an opportunity (i.e., when Saints publicly announced they would not be renewing Griffin's contract and he could 'interview' for the job). I also agree that Flanno would have had to sell a vision to the club. It may not have been a formal job interview, but discussions would have been very involved, as you suggest. Not far fetched that he was scheming for the job long before he was given it.

One thing I find a complete stretch is the notion that he sent Fifita and Tui to the Saints for the purpose of having them there in 2024. They're NSW Cup bench forwards for a start. They switched at a time when Griffin was still head coach and Ryles was the leading candidate. They also switched at a time when Manly's success was in the best interests of Flanno (remember, a failing Manly was not good for his CV). Of all the schemes, sending two reserve grade benchies to a club that hasn't yet employed you, seems absurd.

 

[Frogz]

I am just sick of hearing his name in the media and all the work he is doing for Dragoons. Just get rid of him please. He cant be focussed on us.

 

[Ryan]

He's definitely keeping busy this weekend ! Looking forward to seeing how this positively affects us against the Cowboys next weekend !

 

[Rafferty]

It’s a rot, I tell ya, said it from the start, he should of been asked to move on, if not just moved on, poor business and makes our club the laughing stock of the NRL.

If he stays, which looks likely, I’m thinking it can only be because the powers that be (Penn, Seibs, Mestrov) are still holding on to the hope our finals campaign is alive……and that‘s statistically correct, however it’s highly likely we’ll need to win 6 of our last 8 to play in Sep, (which can happen, hopefully it does) however if we drop our next couple and the dream ends, he must be sent immediately, should be long gone already, ridiculously stupid situation.

 

[mickqld]

He's definitely keeping busy this weekend ! Looking forward to seeing how this positively affects us against the Cowboys next weekend !
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Oh good to see he's spending the bye weekend plotting and manoeuvring for the goons next year. Any chance he might put some time into our attack and defence plans to stop the Cows. No I doubt it and we'll dish up the same stupid compressed defense and headless chook attack plays.

 

[Thewestisbest]

It’s a rot, I tell ya, said it from the start, he should of been asked to move on, if not just moved on, poor business and makes our club the laughing stock of the NRL.

If he stays, which looks likely, I’m thinking it can only be because the powers that be (Penn, Seibs, Mestrov) are still holding on to the hope our finals campaign is alive……and that‘s statistically correct, however it’s highly likely we’ll need to win 6 of our last 8 to play in Sep, (which can happen, hopefully it does) however if we drop our next couple and the dream ends, he must be sent immediately, should be long gone already, ridiculously stupid situation.

There's no way a confident/proven first grade coach would put up with this rubbish.

Unfortunately we have an insecure/spoon coach.

 

[Thewestisbest]

 

[Rafferty]

There's no way a confident/proven first grade coach would put up with this rubbish.

Unfortunately we have an insecure/spoon coach.

Shouldn’t be in the coaches control at this point, club should of done the right thing when the announcement was made.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Shouldn’t be in the coaches control at this point, club should of done the right thing when the announcement was made.

True, but Spoony has been VERY staunch in the media when stating his preference is for Flanno to stay. Shane is just taking advantage of some Lilly livered insecurities.

 

[Rafferty]

True, but Spoony has been VERY staunch in the media when stating his preference is for Flanno to stay. Shane is just taking advantage of some Lilly livered insecurities.

Agree, if he was fully focused on us, fair enough, however it was never going to be any other way, his hard at work on his new job, we’re paying the bills and looking pretty bloody stupid in the process.

 

[ManEagle]

And to think @Ryan was blasted, mocked for even suggesting Mestov should have started early with the rainbowgate trouble.

And here is this bloke 6 months out from his contract start, still paid by us, his new workplaces direct competitor, and doing his utmost for them. If only Mestrov did the same while employed by the greys, rainbowgate may never have happened.🤷‍♂️

I had no problem with Flannagin applying for a head job ( tongue in cheek, then again out if you like it that way) 😜, but as soon as he started making moves for the other team it was time to cut ties, no ifs, no buts.
He is breaking his contract in any case so penny pinching Penn should not be worried about paying out another coach, as he is supose to be 100% focussed on Manly for the first year of that contract, by making player moves etc for dragons he has broken that contract.

There is so many things wrong with this situation we could write a book on it. It's an embarrassment really.

And without wanting to write a book, I will leave it at that.

Time the Seaman grew a pair, put his big boy pants on and said goodbye to Pappa Flanno.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

And to think @Ryan was blasted, mocked for even suggesting Mestov should have started early with the rainbowgate trouble.

And here is this bloke 6 months out from his contract start, still paid by us, his new workplaces direct competitor, and doing his utmost for them. If only Mestrov did the same while employed by the greys, rainbowgate may never have happened.🤷‍♂️

I had no problem with Flannagin applying for a head job ( tongue in cheek, then again out if you like it that way) 😜, but as soon as he started making moves for the other team it was time to cut ties, no ifs, no buts.
He is breaking his contract in any case so penny pinching Penn should not be worried about paying out another coach, as he is supose to be 100% focussed on Manly for the first year of that contract, by making player moves etc for dragons he has broken that contract.

There is so many things wrong with this situation we could write a book on it. It's an embarrassment really.

And without wanting to write a book, I will leave it at that.

Time the Seaman grew a pair, put his big boy pants on and said goodbye to Pappa Flanno.

I can't really understand your concerns. His job with Manly involves helping the coach in verious ways, I highly doubt it has a fixed hourly requirement such as a 35 hour week or whatever. If he is doing what we paid him for then there is no problem with him commentating with Fox in the meantime, or thinking about Saints or making phone calls or meeting people or players.

Obviously if he starts trying to lure players to saints that Manly wants then there is a clear conflict so piss him off, but I assume Mestrov and Seibold are not oblivious to this and that scenario has not arisen.

People citing the Chooks sacking of Ryles are missing that it's quite different in at least one way, in that they had a specific agreement that he would stay for X years and in talking with Saints about taking that job it would mean he wanted to break that condition. If Flanagan was going to coach Saints this year we'd sack him too, but he's not.

 

[ManEagle]

I can't really understand your concerns. His job with Manly involves helping the coach in verious ways, I highly doubt it has a fixed hourly requirement such as a 35 hour week or whatever. If he is doing what we paid him for then there is no problem with him commentating with Fox in the meantime, or thinking about Saints or making phone calls or meeting people or players.

Obviously if he starts trying to lure players to saints that Manly wants then there is a clear conflict so piss him off, but I assume Mestrov and Seibold are not oblivious to this and that scenario has not arisen.

People citing the Chooks sacking of Ryles are missing that it's quite different in at least one way, in that they had a specific agreement that he would stay for X years and in talking with Saints about taking that job it would mean he wanted to break that condition. If Flanagan was going to coach Saints this year we'd sack him too, but he's not.

Simarly I don't understand how your not concerned, as I said I had no problem with him taking the job, and starting his new job when his term with us at season end is over. But he is now publicly doing all but sitting in the coaches box for Dragons on game day, how is that not a conflict of interest to begin with.

As others have alluded to, just a sample, he will have the knowledge of who we are targeting and what funds available, now obviously who is a not problem as it's often well known, but he will know what our other competitors don't with what we have to negotiate with, which gives him the upper hand for any negotiations he is doing for the dragons while employed for us.

I don't care what he does in his own time, but when he chooses to actively work for our direct competitor while employed by us, whether it's his own time or not, it's plain wrong.

With his past history it's not as if he is a stand up moral compass in doing the right thing, alarm bells are ringing.

But as many often say, just my opinion I'm probably wrong.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

With his past history it's not as if he is a stand up moral compass in doing the right thing, alarm bells are ringing.

Fair point, time will tell. Don't you have any faith in Mestrov and Seibold to have an idea what is going on? Just my own opinion of course but I'm not prepared to write them off as rank incompetents at this stage.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Simarly I don't understand how your not concerned, as I said I had no problem with him taking the job, and starting his new job when his term with us at season end is over. But he is now publicly doing all but sitting in the coaches box for Dragons on game day, how is that not a conflict of interest to begin with.

As others have alluded to, just a sample, he will have the knowledge of who we are targeting and what funds available, now obviously who is a not problem as it's often well known, but he will know what our other competitors don't with what we have to negotiate with, which gives him the upper hand for any negotiations he is doing for the dragons while employed for us.

I don't care what he does in his own time, but when he chooses to actively work for our direct competitor while employed by us, whether it's his own time or not, it's plain wrong.

With his past history it's not as if he is a stand up moral compass in doing the right thing, alarm bells are ringing.

But as many often say, just my opinion I'm probably wrong.

I'm more concerned about what he might do next season and beyond with his inside knowledge of Manly. Flanno won't be restrained by any sentiment towards Siebold or the Sea Eagles I don't imagine. He needs to go imo.

 

[ALinda]

I can't really understand your concerns. His job with Manly involves helping the coach in verious ways, I highly doubt it has a fixed hourly requirement such as a 35 hour week or whatever. If he is doing what we paid him for then there is no problem with him commentating with Fox in the meantime, or thinking about Saints or making phone calls or meeting people or players.

Obviously if he starts trying to lure players to saints that Manly wants then there is a clear conflict so piss him off, but I assume Mestrov and Seibold are not oblivious to this and that scenario has not arisen.

People citing the Chooks sacking of Ryles are missing that it's quite different in at least one way, in that they had a specific agreement that he would stay for X years and in talking with Saints about taking that job it would mean he wanted to break that condition. If Flanagan was going to coach Saints this year we'd sack him too, but he's not.

Well said! These are my thoughts exactly, particularly having seen him at the open training session.

Yes, he'd been commentating the night before and probably doing out-of-hours Dragons negotiating/recruiting and attending to other commitments. However, I saw him at Brookie for their training session last week and, though all the coaches and trainers were involved, I was pleased/surprised to see how much Flanagan was front and centre of it. He was generally running the show and I got the impression it wasn't just for the fans.

Therefore, in my view, despite all his distractions Flanagan is still doing what he's being paid to do for Manly and I think whilst we're still a chance of making the 8, Seibs is depending on his help to succeed. When there's no chance of us making it, then sure move him on.

 

[ManEagle]

Fair point, time will tell. Don't you have any faith in Mestrov and Seibold to have an idea what is going on? Just my own opinion of course but I'm not prepared to write them off as rank incompetents at this stage.

That was only part there of my point I originally made, but yes I believe he needs to go, my other point was @Ryan was lambasted for suggesting Mestrov should have been on top of things prior to his start date, yet those same posters are saying its no drama for Flannagan to be doing exactly that with 3 months ( 6 months depending on year) still to go while employed by us.

But you right time will tell as it always does
Gotta hate a bye weekend !

 

[Ryan]

Flanagan has already spoken to player managers about current Manly players. And not just recently, but some time ago, and it will come out in due course.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

Imagine if Fox League announced any Manly players being signed for the Dragons next season.
lol