The Kieran Forum

[SeaEagleRock8]

Lol he can do a bit better, he's got Margaret Cunneen SC. She's a high profile barrister for over 30 years and former Crown Prosecutor. At Brett Stewart's trial she gave evidence as a private citizen of his good character.

 

[jbb/james]

Lol he can do a bit better, he's got Margaret Cunneen SC. She's a high profile barrister for over 30 years and former Crown Prosecutor. At Brett Stewart's trial she gave evidence as a private citizen of his good character.

Yeah but the way you defend DCE for free i reckon you have got her covered. LOL

 

[Ryan]

They reported it incorrect, they thought it was 750 a season, it's 750 through the next 2 years. So 375 a season which is great value.

And if we can't afford that, our recruiters and cap managers are a disgrace. Particularly given it's been years since we signed absolutely anyone of note.

 

[Snake]

And if we can't afford that, our recruiters and cap managers are a disgrace. Particularly given it's been years since we signed absolutely anyone of note.

It was 800k over two years but that’s beside the point.

We re-signed Tom T and that’s the equivalent of signing someone of note, it’s just that he was already playing at our club. You can’t look at signings as needing to come from outside the inner sanctum for it to be counted against the cap.

You’ll notice Penrith, who just won a comp, have not signed anyone of note from outside their club in years. They just re-sign the guns they already have and even some of them have had to be let go due to cap pressure. They’re about to lose Kikau and Koroisau and lost Capewell from their Premiership roster.

Our cap is tight due to upgrading a number of players who were originally signed on a pittance.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Quit! Nearly 20 years as a criminal lawyer is enough for me, others can take a turn. Just doing a little teaching and a couple of gardening jobs (because I really need the exercise! lol) (and helping family with a bit of regular childcare, a 6 and a 10 year old for a couple of hours after school each Monday, the highlight of my week for sure 🙂

Yes 20 years at that job would drive you insane I reckon !!

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

It was 800k over two years but that’s beside the point.

We re-signed Tom T and that’s the equivalent of signing someone of note, it’s just that he was already playing at our club. You can’t look at signings as needing to come from outside the inner sanctum for it to be counted against the cap.

You’ll notice Penrith, who just won a comp, have not signed anyone of note from outside their club in years. They just re-sign the guns they already have and even some of them have had to be let go due to cap pressure. They’re about to lose Kikau and Koroisau and lost Capewell from their Premiership roster.

Our cap is tight due to upgrading a number of players who were originally signed on a pittance.

Yep , we just need to find either bargain buys or bring up juniors and build around the core.

Exactly what the top two sides do.

 

[Ryan]

It was 800k over two years but that’s beside the point.

We re-signed Tom T and that’s the equivalent of signing someone of note, it’s just that he was already playing at our club. You can’t look at signings as needing to come from outside the inner sanctum for it to be counted against the cap.

You’ll notice Penrith, who just won a comp, have not signed anyone of note from outside their club in years. They just re-sign the guns they already have and even some of them have had to be let go due to cap pressure. They’re about to lose Kikau and Koroisau and lost Capewell from their Premiership roster.

Our cap is tight due to upgrading a number of players who were originally signed on a pittance.

I'm sorry, but the make-up of our team is unbalanced and poor. We can't beat a top 4 team FFS. We don't have a Hooker, possibly the most important position on the field in 2022.

We have a winger playing fullback (due to no specialist backup)
We have a backrower listed at centre last week
We have a half playing hooker
We have a 5/8 playing backrow
We have a Hooker playing backrow
We have a centre playing utility

Panthers signed Koroisou from us. They signed Momirovski from the Chooks. They just signed Luke Garner...they get signings mate. 1st grade signings. We also don't have one spec of the up and coming players they do.

 

[47MVEagle]

We have a winger playing fullback (due to no specialist backup)
We have a backrower listed at centre last week
We have a half playing hooker
We have a 5/8 playing backrow
We have a Hooker playing backrow
We have a centre playing utility

-What team has a specialist fullback happy to play in reserves until injury or rep duties get him called up to first grade?
Roosters - Joey Manu, a centre.
Storm - usually Hughes, a halfback.
Penrith - Crichton, a centre/winger
etc.
-Burbo was at centre due to injuries & a last minute change with Olakau'atu dropping out. The Tigers had a backrower playing centre in the same game for the same reasons.
-Agree on Croker but he's getting better & cops a lot of the blame unfairly. The club have also remained loyal to the Fainu's. We did have Levi, a specialist hooker but he was pretty ordinary.
-Schuster is there until Foz moves on,which is happening for 2023. Better Schu is on the field somewhere than getting frustrated in reserves.
-Lawton is a utility IMO.
-Walker came to us as our 5/8th which didn't work out. Yes he was a centre but not anymore. His injuries & various off-field incidents resulted in him missing a lot of games & Des moved on with Parker & Harper (now Koula & Tuipulotu).

 

[Disco]

We have a winger playing fullback (due to no specialist backup)

Penrith play Crichton as back up fullback (A specialist centre)

Melbourne looking like playing Wishart, Munster or Hughes this week. (A half/hooker, 5/8 and half.

Roosters play Manu (a centre)

Sharks play Hynes (a half)

Broncos Te Maire currently fullback backup (a 5/8)

Raiders have used Rapana (A winger) mainly despite have Savage

Souths....I'll give you but Taffe played plenty of halves coming through and Johnston (Winger) has covered there plenty previously.

Dragons Utility in Mbye has overtaken their season starting fullback.

Who are these teams that are carrying two specialist first grade fullbacks??

 

[Disco]

-What team has a specialist fullback happy to play in reserves until injury or rep duties get him called up to first grade?
Roosters - Joey Manu, a centre.
Storm - usually Hughes, a halfback.
Penrith - Crichton, a centre/winger
etc.
-Burbo was at centre due to injuries & a last minute change with Olakau'atu dropping out. The Tigers had a backrower playing centre in the same game for the same reasons.
-Agree on Croker but he's getting better & cops a lot of the blame unfairly. The club have also remained loyal to the Fainu's. We did have Levi, a specialist hooker but he was pretty ordinary.
-Schuster is there until Foz moves on,which is happening for 2023. Better Schu is on the field somewhere than getting frustrated in reserves.
-Lawton is a utility IMO.
-Walker came to us as our 5/8th which didn't work out. Yes he was a centre but not anymore. His injuries & various off-field incidents resulted in him missing a lot of games & Des moved on with Parker & Harper (now Koula & Tuipulotu).

Ha, same wavelength

The days of pigeon-holing players in positions is long gone.

 

[Ryan]

-What team has a specialist fullback happy to play in reserves until injury or rep duties get him called up to first grade?
Roosters - Joey Manu, a centre.
Storm - usually Hughes, a halfback.
Penrith - Crichton, a centre/winger
etc.
-Burbo was at centre due to injuries & a last minute change with Olakau'atu dropping out. The Tigers had a backrower playing centre in the same game for the same reasons.
-Agree on Croker but he's getting better & cops a lot of the blame unfairly. The club have also remained loyal to the Fainu's. We did have Levi, a specialist hooker but he was pretty ordinary.
-Schuster is there until Foz moves on,which is happening for 2023. Better Schu is on the field somewhere than getting frustrated in reserves.
-Lawton is a utility IMO.
-Walker came to us as our 5/8th which didn't work out. Yes he was a centre but not anymore. His injuries & various off-field incidents resulted in him missing a lot of games & Des moved on with Parker & Harper (now Koula & Tuipulotu).

I don't get the point you guys are trying to make? You've listed rosters much more talented than ours (and balanced), that can probably afford to weaken one position to strengthen another?

We don't have that luxury. I'm hard on Des, but one of his endearing qualities as a coach, is getting those lower to middle tier quality players to play above expectations (guys like Rose, Bryant, Hall spring to mind - hoping he can do that with Harper, Saab, Bullemor, Keppie etc). For that reason, it's hard to eek out more quality again given we are already over stretched with so MANY players playing out of their preferred positions.

And I'm still to be convinced, even after the evidence you both have given me, that we can beat a top 4 team (footnote: meaning where they end up at seasons end, or project to be at seasons end).

But next year, assuming full (FULL) strength, how is this roster pushed against a cap?

01. Tom Trbojevic
02. Jason Saab
03. Tolu Koula
04. Christian Tuipulotu
05. Reuben Garrick
06. Josh Schuster
07. Daly Cherry-Evans
08. Josh Aloiai
09. Manase Fainu
10. Taniela Paseka
11. Haumole Olakau'atu
12. Kelma Tuilagi
13. Jake Trbojevic

14. Karl Lawton
15. Sean Keppie
16. Ethan Bullemor
17. Ben Trbojevic

Assume: Marty Taupau, Dylan Walker, Jorge Taufua, Morgan Boyle, Andrew Davey (possibly), Kieran Foran are gone. The cap goes up. Who are these other rookies we've given huge upgrades too?

 

[Disco]

I don't get the point you guys are trying to make? You've listed rosters much more talented than ours (and balanced), that can probably afford to weaken one position to strengthen another?

We don't have that luxury. I'm hard on Des, but one of his endearing qualities as a coach, is getting those lower to middle tier quality players to play above expectations (guys like Rose, Bryant, Hall spring to mind - hoping he can do that with Harper, Saab, Bullemor, Keppie etc). For that reason, it's hard to eek out more quality again given we are already over stretched with so MANY players playing out of their preferred positions.

And I'm still to be convinced, even after the evidence you both have given me, that we can beat a top 4 team (footnote: meaning where they end up at seasons end, or project to be at seasons end).

But next year, assuming full (FULL) strength, how is this roster pushed against a cap?

01. Tom Trbojevic
02. Jason Saab
03. Tolu Koula
04. Christian Tuipulotu
05. Reuben Garrick
06. Josh Schuster
07. Daly Cherry-Evans
08. Josh Aloiai
09. Manase Fainu
10. Taniela Paseka
11. Haumole Olakau'atu
12. Kelma Tuilagi
13. Jake Trbojevic

14. Karl Lawton
15. Sean Keppie
16. Ethan Bullemor
17. Ben Trbojevic

Assume: Marty Taupau, Dylan Walker, Jorge Taufua, Morgan Boyle, Andrew Davey (possibly), Kieran Foran are gone. The cap goes up. Who are these other rookies we've given huge upgrades too?

You think the Broncos, Dragons, Souths and Raiders rosters are much more talented then ours?

Ah thats right, you rate our roster possibly as low as 14 hahaha

 

[aidan]

Really. Please name those two other alleged clubs. 🙂

So much for him wanting to stay at Manly.

Here is a copy and paste straight out of the daily telegraph article from the other day, which clearly states 3 NRL clubs wanted Foran.

'News Corp can reveal the Titans have emerged as the front-runners for Foran’s signature as three NRL rivals circle the former New Zealand Test star.'

Also, I'm not too sure what you mean by "so much for him wanting to stay at manly" because by the sounds of it he was basically forced out of Manly to make way for Schuster and was only offered a 1 year deal worth about 300k whereas the Titans offered him a 2 year deal worth 800k. I know which deal I'd be taking towards the end of my career.

 

[aidan]

Manly ,Titans and ? Mystery club

Read my reply to XV-1 above.

 

[Snake]

I'm sorry, but the make-up of our team is unbalanced and poor. We can't beat a top 4 team FFS. We don't have a Hooker, possibly the most important position on the field in 2022.

We have a winger playing fullback (due to no specialist backup)
We have a backrower listed at centre last week
We have a half playing hooker
We have a 5/8 playing backrow
We have a Hooker playing backrow
We have a centre playing utility

Panthers signed Koroisou from us. They signed Momirovski from the Chooks. They just signed Luke Garner...they get signings mate. 1st grade signings. We also don't have one spec of the up and coming players they do.

I agree that the squad is a little unbalanced but that doesn’t mean we have cap space, it just means that you and I don’t like how the space was used.

As for Penrith, they signed Koroisau two years before they won the comp and Luai wasn’t even an established first grader yet.

Momirovski was signed on a minimum contract from the Tigers to allow Daine Laurie to leave, after Paul spent the year injured at the Melbourne Storm. He had played under 20 first grade games at that stage. If the Tigers don’t want you, you’re not going to another club on a big deal. A year on and they had to let him go to Roosters because their cap meant they couldn’t afford to upgrade him (even though some posters on here don’t believe clubs upgrade players after successful seasons 😉).

Garner is on less than Tuilagi (who we managed to sign for next season) at Penrith next year. He has bought in to replace a guy who just signed an 800k contract with the Dogs.

 

[47MVEagle]

I don't get the point you guys are trying to make? You've listed rosters much more talented than ours (and balanced), that can probably afford to weaken one position to strengthen another?

We don't have that luxury. I'm hard on Des, but one of his endearing qualities as a coach, is getting those lower to middle tier quality players to play above expectations (guys like Rose, Bryant, Hall spring to mind - hoping he can do that with Harper, Saab, Bullemor, Keppie etc). For that reason, it's hard to eek out more quality again given we are already over stretched with so MANY players playing out of their preferred positions.

And I'm still to be convinced, even after the evidence you both have given me, that we can beat a top 4 team (footnote: meaning where they end up at seasons end, or project to be at seasons end).

But next year, assuming full (FULL) strength, how is this roster pushed against a cap?

01. Tom Trbojevic
02. Jason Saab
03. Tolu Koula
04. Christian Tuipulotu
05. Reuben Garrick
06. Josh Schuster
07. Daly Cherry-Evans
08. Josh Aloiai
09. Manase Fainu
10. Taniela Paseka
11. Haumole Olakau'atu
12. Kelma Tuilagi
13. Jake Trbojevic

14. Karl Lawton
15. Sean Keppie
16. Ethan Bullemor
17. Ben Trbojevic

Assume: Marty Taupau, Dylan Walker, Jorge Taufua, Morgan Boyle, Andrew Davey (possibly), Kieran Foran are gone. The cap goes up. Who are these other rookies we've given huge upgrades too?

Well for starters you've named 17 players when we have to name 30 within the cap so add another 13 names & you'll see why the ~$10m is stretched.

Secondly, Turbo, Garrick, Schuster, DCE, Aloiai, Olakau'atu & Jake are/would all be on good wedges.

But I get it, you're not happy with our squad & don't think it can compete with a top 4 team.

As they say, a week is a long time in rugby league & all it takes is for one player to come (or go) & the dynamic of the squad can change drastically for the better (or the worse).

Who's to say Fainu doesn't get cleared & comes storming back, immediately solving our hooker issue?

All of a sudden everything else falls into place OR Fainu doesn't get cleared or has been out of the game for too long so we let him go & groom GCKT or buy a hooker, also solving our hooker issue.

Either way, there's light at the end of the tunnel so I don't see the point in continually doom-mongering & deathriding our squad, coach, club, there's just no point in it IMO.

 

[47MVEagle]

It amazes me how quickly narratives develop here.

I'm sure only a week or 2 ago everyone was looking forward to Schuster coming back from injury as he is our future at 5/8th.

Then the story about his manager agitating for him to get the #6 jersey appears, then news that Foran has taken up a 2 year deal at the Titans & suddenly Schuster is "always out injured" & "should shut up & just play football" & is public enemy number 1 & being blamed for Foz not being re-signed & the club being criticised for not managing the cap because a gutter journo claimed so.

I get that people are passionate & have their favourite players but does that mean you can deathride our club every time that player doesn't get re-signed or played in their supposed favourite/best position?

 

[NYEagle]

Here is a copy and paste straight out of the daily telegraph article from the other day, which clearly states 3 NRL clubs wanted Foran.

'News Corp can reveal the Titans have emerged as the front-runners for Foran’s signature as three NRL rivals circle the former New Zealand Test star.'

Also, I'm not too sure what you mean by "so much for him wanting to stay at manly" because by the sounds of it he was basically forced out of Manly to make way for Schuster and was only offered a 1 year deal worth about 300k whereas the Titans offered him a 2 year deal worth 800k. I know which deal I'd be taking towards the end of my career.

So you don’t think it’s likely Foran will backflip?

NYEagle

 

[Shoe1]

It amazes me how quickly narratives develop here.

I'm sure only a week or 2 ago everyone was looking forward to Schuster coming back from injury as he is our future at 5/8th.

Then the story about his manager agitating for him to get the #6 jersey appears, then news that Foran has taken up a 2 year deal at the Titans & suddenly Schuster is "always out injured" & "should shut up & just play football" & is public enemy number 1 & being blamed for Foz not being re-signed & the club being criticised for not managing the cap because a gutter journo claimed so.

I get that people are passionate & have their favourite players but does that mean you can deathride our club every time that player doesn't get re-signed or played in their supposed favourite/best position?

Yes it' doing my head in. Our team is actually quite good, and has the potential to be great.

 

[47MVEagle]

Yes it' doing my head in. Our team is actually quite good, and has the potential to be great.

Every time something happens it reminds me of that old TV commercial from the 80s "OH MY GOODNESS THE CHIPS!!!"