The Daly Cherrygraph

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

its a pretty vague question considering. DCE has been with us for 7 years. Every half back in the comp has been available in that time, Nicho hynes was in our juniors. we paid then and now the biggest contract in the NRL ever and your saying in all that time we wouldnt have solved the issue.

Every team that has won the comp since has done it without dCE as fullback. how is that for a stat. I hate stats though,

We agree finally. Every team that has won the Premiership in the past 7 years HAS not had DCE as a fullback. Correct 100%. Good fact. I can't argue there.

 

[Disco]

Forget the past for a minute,as of right now moses,dce,& cleary are the only halfbacks you need in your team.I’m ok with re signing dce.

Hughes?

 

[jbb/james]

Hadn't thought of that point, but now you mention it, he'd probably go well at fullback! 🙂

Thanks i missed that

 

[jbb/james]

We agree finally. Every team that has won the Premiership in the past 7 years HAS not had DCE as a fullback. Correct 100%. Good fact. I can't argue there.

No way. If we agree, ive changed my mind.

 

[aidan]

You know DCE had 71 tackle busts last year.....3rd in our team behind Turbo and Garrick.

And second in the comp for halfbacks after Hughes

Foran had 30.

Also beat Foran comfortably in line breaks and line break assists.

The narrative that DCE doesnt engage the line is one that is not based in reality.

*it appears Foxsports aren't running full player stats this year

You do realise the only reason DCE gets these tackle breaks is because he runs around in circles, fending off defenders or shrugging out of tackles (which count as tackle breaks). But this actually has no positive effect on our team. Whereas when a player like Hughes breaks tackles, they are generally in a forward direction, rather than running around in circles, pushing off defenders, and not actually going anywhere or creating anything. So trying to use tackle breaks as a stat to show how good his running game is is pretty misleading.

 

[KNUCKLES]

I watch every game of footy including a lot of non manly games. I just can't see the logic in your post?
Who do you play at no.7 if not DCE? Its a valid question that the majority of anti DCE posters ignore.
Please tell me a plan that is BETTER than what we have now?
Sue id probably take cleary but he's about the only one week in week out that has the runs on the board.
Just a straight up answer would be fantastic

Will a 36 year old DCE be better than a hungry 20 year old in Humphreys in a cpl of years time? I think a one year extension would of been more appropriate. And plan our youth around that. Souths have done it with Reynolds, and sure it will take some time, but even with Ilias now they are still taking it to teams like Melbourne. DCE is good when he is on, and a good leader. But the club will continue to have success without him

 

[Volley]

I have said this before, but how does anyone know if "the money is right" nearly 2 years before his extension is due to start??

He is 33 now, his form could drop off next year, or he could get injured, and then we're stuck with paying him for the next 2 years after that at a rate commensurate with his 2021 form. Plus, promising halfbacks aren't going to stick around here because the next 4 years are already locked in.

It annoys me as it seems like the club feels like they have to offer these very long term deals, on huge money, when no other front running club does this. It just seems like poor business to me.

Yeah who knows, maybe we have the next Luke Brooks lurking in the lower grades.

Absolute madness to throw away the current Kangaroos halfback in the hope you have a future superstar in the lower ranks.

With the Dolphins lurking, and now supposedly missing out on Ponga, sometimes control is taken out of your hands and you need to move quicker than you otherwise would have liked.

 

[hozza]

All the DCE fanboys are rejoicing!!!!! Lol

No doubt DCE played great last week. Problem is he only does that about 5 times a year. Anyway same argument that’s been going on since 2015.

I, along with others have stated many times we won’t win another premiership with him as our Captain and on this money. Nothing has changed my mind in those 7 years. And only a premiership will justify his ridiculous contract.

And yes he won a premiership, I know fanboy’s I know! But guess what? That was in a golden generation team, and he WAS a rookie. That also means we could, wait for it, win another premiership with a rookie. Ohhh Shiiit

 

[KNUCKLES]

Yeah who knows, maybe we have the next Luke Brooks lurking in the lower grades.

Absolute madness to throw away the current Kangaroos halfback in the hope you have a future superstar in the lower ranks.

With the Dolphins lurking, and now supposedly missing out on Ponga, sometimes control is taken out of your hands and you need to move quicker than you otherwise would have liked.

He is still contracted though.... I think a year by year basis would of been a better outcome all round. If we lost DCE to the dolphins because of it. Then maybe we'd be better off with a different captain??? Just a thought

 

[jbb/james]

All the DCE fanboys are rejoicing!!!!! Lol

No doubt DCE played great last week. Problem is he only does that about 5 times a year. Anyway same argument that’s been going on since 2015.

I, along with others have stated many times we won’t win another premiership with him as our Captain and on this money. Nothing has changed my mind in those 7 years. And only a premiership will justify his ridiculous contract.

And yes he won a premiership, I know fanboy’s I know! But guess what? That was in a golden generation team, and he WAS a rookie. That also means we could, wait for it, win another premiership with a rookie. Ohhh Shiiit

I actually credit the 2011 win as the jamie buhrer led team. If we are going to get loose with the truth we should have some fun with it

 

[aidan]

I watch every game of footy including a lot of non manly games. I just can't see the logic in your post?
Who do you play at no.7 if not DCE? Its a valid question that the majority of anti DCE posters ignore.
Please tell me a plan that is BETTER than what we have now?
Sue id probably take cleary but he's about the only one week in week out that has the runs on the board.
Just a straight up answer would be fantastic

Mate I just want what’s best for the team. And I truly believe whilst DCE is at the club we won’t win another premiership. At least if we look to the future and try out Schuster or Humphreys in the halves for the 2024 season (keep in mind at this stage DCE will be nearly 35) then we will give our side a chance to go to the next level. Obviously neither of these players are probably going to be absolute guns in their first year in the halves in first grade, but if we don’t give them an opportunity then they could easily end up like another Nicho Hynes who we missed out on big time. The fact is we just need a halfback who can play a simple role in the team, and not try to get all tricky and fancy like DCE does and **** everything up. Look at souths and how they gave young Ilias a shot this year and moved on Reynolds (who is a much better halfback than DCE). He obviously doesn’t have the full package in his first year but you can already tell he’s going to be a great player in a year or two. Humphreys is only a year younger than this bloke and has huge wraps on him so I don’t see why Manly can’t do the same.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

No way. If we agree, ive changed my mind.

I double down and also change my mind to align with you just so you will again need to change your mind.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Will a 36 year old DCE be better than a hungry 20 year old in Humphreys in a cpl of years time? I think a one year extension would of been more appropriate. And plan our youth around that. Souths have done it with Reynolds, and sure it will take some time, but even with Ilias now they are still taking it to teams like Melbourne. DCE is good when he is on, and a good leader. But the club will continue to have success without him

I see this deal a bridge move in that I can see DCE moving into the coaching box eventually. Wouldnt be surprised to see less playing and more coaching in DCE's final year should the form of Humphreys or others demand it.

 

[jbb/james]

Mate I just want what’s best for the team. And I truly believe whilst DCE is at the club we won’t win another premiership. At least if we look to the future and try out Schuster or Humphreys in the halves for the 2024 season (keep in mind at this stage DCE will be nearly 35) then we will give our side a chance to go to the next level. Obviously neither of these players are probably going to be absolute guns in their first year in the halves in first grade, but if we don’t give them an opportunity then they could easily end up like another Nicho Hynes who we missed out on big time. The fact is we just need a halfback who can play a simple role in the team, and not try to get all tricky and fancy like DCE does and **** everything up. Look at souths and how they gave young Ilias a shot this year and moved on Reynolds (who is a much better halfback than DCE). He obviously doesn’t have the full package in his first year but you can already tell he’s going to be a great player in a year or two. Humphreys is only a year younger than this bloke and has huge wraps on him so I don’t see why Manly can’t do the same.

I agree with this. We have our ceiling with dce and every game tom misses that ceiling lowers.n As the chooks did with mitchell pearce there comes a time to accept

The better sides have calmness and gameplans that the major man delivers, we dont seem to be able to match them and i dont see that maturity growing yet.

For me its about coin. If his contract allows us to balance up and drop him, or play him off the bench when form warrants . But we need another leader to take charge and we need to either grow it or buy it as its nit visible . As long as we can wait for the growth

This is what really happened at the cows . Invested heavily in jt until they uneathed a spine, that went on , morgan , glanville , and bowen . Jt had a bit more go in him when they got there

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Mate I just want what’s best for the team. And I truly believe whilst DCE is at the club we won’t win another premiership. At least if we look to the future and try out Schuster or Humphreys in the halves for the 2024 season (keep in mind at this stage DCE will be nearly 35) then we will give our side a chance to go to the next level. Obviously neither of these players are probably going to be absolute guns in their first year in the halves in first grade, but if we don’t give them an opportunity then they could easily end up like another Nicho Hynes who we missed out on big time. The fact is we just need a halfback who can play a simple role in the team, and not try to get all tricky and fancy like DCE does and **** everything up. Look at souths and how they gave young Ilias a shot this year and moved on Reynolds (who is a much better halfback than DCE). He obviously doesn’t have the full package in his first year but you can already tell he’s going to be a great player in a year or two. Humphreys is only a year younger than this bloke and has huge wraps on him so I don’t see why Manly can’t do the same.

Skme Good points however no one knows how Nicho or any of the up and coming halves will pan out long term. also Ilias could be a dud. So many young halves burst onto the scene only to be burned out by season 3 or 4.
DCE may not be everyone first choice but over 10 years he has been one of the better ones.

 

[jbb/james]

I double down and also change my mind to align with you just so you will again need to change your mind.

I changed my post so you dont even know what your disagreeing with anymore. But when you catch up, your wrong,

 

[Disco]

You do realise the only reason DCE gets these tackle breaks is because he runs around in circles, fending off defenders or shrugging out of tackles (which count as tackle breaks). But this actually has no positive effect on our team. Whereas when a player like Hughes breaks tackles, they are generally in a forward direction, rather than running around in circles, pushing off defenders, and not actually going anywhere or creating anything. So trying to use tackle breaks as a stat to show how good his running game is is pretty misleading.

I was simply replying to your comment that DCE was afraid to take on the line.

71 tackle bust regardless of how effective you deem them indicates he is engaging the line.

The next comment I'll take issue with is

"not actually going anywhere or creating anything"

Did you know DCE ranked first for total try involvements for halfbacks in 2021?

DCE had 58, second best was Cleary with 55, the Reynolds 47, Moses 41 and Hughes 40.

DCE was also second for Halbacks for run mentres with 1509m, behind only Hughes with 2078. That is ahead of next best Brooks with 1378 and cleary with 1258 though noted Cleary had some injury breaks.

So I'd argue he did go somewhere and did create some things...

 

[KNUCKLES]

@Eagle of London I think long term you are probably right.. but I think short term it may have somewhat of an impact on these younger players looking for a start in the NRL. Im not saying Humphreys will be the answer..but at this point in time he is our best bet, but with his future now up in the air and the news of DCE being around another 3 years, I can't see him staying. I hope I'm wrong though

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

You do realise the only reason DCE gets these tackle breaks is because he runs around in circles, fending off defenders or shrugging out of tackles (which count as tackle breaks). But this actually has no positive effect on our team. Whereas when a player like Hughes breaks tackles, they are generally in a forward direction, rather than running around in circles, pushing off defenders, and not actually going anywhere or creating anything. So trying to use tackle breaks as a stat to show how good his running game is is pretty misleading.

And you do realise (lol) that DCE finished 4th in the Dally M player of the year last year? Behind only Turbo, Cleary, & Cody Walker, and level with James Tedesco.
Yes we all know the Dally Ms have various flaws ... However! Do you think those other 4 are all top players but Daly is a dud? Come on! He's got faults but is still one of the best players in the game, and for the role we want him for, there's no reason he can't continue to be for another few seasons.

 

[jbb/james]

I was simply replying to your comment that DCE was afraid to take on the line.

71 tackle bust regardless of how effective you deem them indicates he is engaging the line.

The next comment I'll take issue with is

"not actually going anywhere or creating anything"

Did you know DCE ranked first for total try involvements for halfbacks in 2021?

DCE had 58, second best was Cleary with 55, the Reynolds 47, Moses 41 and Hughes 40.

DCE was also second for Halbacks for run mentres with 1509m, behind only Hughes with 2078. That is ahead of next best Brooks with 1378 and cleary with 1258 though noted Cleary had some injury breaks.

So I'd argue he did go somewhere and did create some things...

The delicate issue with those stats is how much of it depended on tom to break the game openbefore he appears His stats without tom are horrible.

Yes he needs help but until we judge DCE as a halfback whose job it is to get us moving, its not realistic. Tom Should be feeding off him , not the other way around

Better sides halves control the game
We cant beat them because they beat us because we dont
Top halfbacks are judged on big arenas not beating the dogs by 60.
His stats paint a picture for sure, but there not as compelling as they read. Surely thats a given