The Book of Albert

Even if Albert was to stay next year (would only be short contract) he WILL move on as soon as there is more money on offer. There is nothing more obvious when big John is involved.
Maybe Bozo could convince him to let Albert stay but even then I'd have my doubts.
 
Bear ... agree 100% on the value of logical decision making .... however, a football team is not a logical beast .... and an issue ... even if it is personality based ... can be as devastating to a team as an "real" problem ....

You can have 20 really good blokes in a squad .... it only takes one white-ant, nutter (or his WAG) ... to bring disharmony ...

So... sometimes the logical approach is to get rid of the personality problem ....

DISCLAIMER: I am not saying this is the problem with Hoppa ...


As I suggested elsewhere, surely a good manager knows how to deal with those personal issues so that they don't interfere with how they play on the field, because that's all its about.

All businesses have varying personalities. Its the talent in melding them into a whole that makes a good manager. And that requires a manager to work through the issues in a logical, not emotional manner. Be receptive, but only to find a way to get the best out of the individual to the benefit of both. Its not unrealistic, but he does take good people skills.

I'm hoping Des remembers he has those skills, but not only for those in his first selected team. Surely he cant ignore the desires of his young reserves to show their skills. The fact there is no Reggies actually exacerbates their frustration at not playing all year, doing something they have trained so hard to do.

Imagine being a potentially top footballer and sitting on the side line for a full year uninjured. Frustrating enough to be injured and wanting to play. Being trained up and ready and then being treated like a third wheel will naturally be frustrating especially for young rising talent anxious to get a chance to show their wares by playing first grade Rugby League. They are in the 36 for that reason.

A good player manager surely should get into the head of youngsters, get to know what they are feeling. He's got to find some way of offering opportunity, especially this year. Imagine for one moment you are in those young players' situation. Don't make judgement calls about it suggesting they should be patient, mature etc. These are young kids, something like we were when we were 18 and gung ho. Think how you would feel, and perhaps them we can see why some are angry..
 
I think the whole 'he will get smashed for making a mistake' is off the mark... posters are smashing guys that have had multiple opportunities over extended periods of time and are not showing sufficient improvement to demonstrate a premiership threat anytime soon...

Funa has made plenty of mistakes but nobody has called for his head, in fact it has been mostly positive commentary... same with Cust who was not smashed for making mistakes early on and people generally want to back him in....

I reckon most of us are just sick to death of a) losing and b) not looking all that exciting when we do win... if it wasn't for Tommy we would be ranked in the bottom 3 or 4 clubs in the NRL on our ability to play exciting football... hopefully, and it is pure hope at this point, some of these 'exciting' young prospects can change that over the next couple of years because the current squad has been tried, been weighed and been found wanting...
 
As I suggested elsewhere, surely a good manager knows how to deal with those personal issues so that they don't interfere with how they play on the field, because that's all its about.

All businesses have varying personalities. Its the talent in melding them into a whole that makes a good manager. And that requires a manager to work through the issues in a logical, not emotional manner. Be receptive, but only to find a way to get the best out of the individual to the benefit of both. Its not unrealistic, but he does take good people skills.

I'm hoping Des remembers he has those skills, but not only for those in his first selected team. Surely he cant ignore the desires of his young reserves to show their skills. The fact there is no Reggies actually exacerbates their frustration at not playing all year, doing something they have trained so hard to do.

Imagine being a potentially top footballer and sitting on the side line for a full year uninjured. Frustrating enough to be injured and wanting to play. Being trained up and ready and then being treated like a third wheel will naturally be frustrating especially for young rising talent anxious to get a chance to show their wares by playing first grade Rugby League. They are in the 36 for that reason.

A good player manager surely should get into the head of youngsters, get to know what they are feeling. He's got to find some way of offering opportunity, especially this year. Imagine for one moment you are in those young players' situation. Don't make judgement calls about it suggesting they should be patient, mature etc. These are young kids, something like we were when we were 18 and gung ho. Think how you would feel, and perhaps them we can see why some are angry..

Wonderful narrative ... but your whole argument assumes that the said head of a youngster is rational and not overly self entitled .... not a trait that is as common as it once was ....

Even the great man manager Jack Gibson moved on those that didn't take a tip .... there will always be those that are incorrigible .....

And picking a kid who is gung-ho because of how he may be feeling .... is as wrong as picking someone who you don't think is ready ...
 
I was on the fence with whether we should have picked Albert not knowing his fitness level after 2 knee reco's. I thought it may have been asking alot of him given he has not played a game for nearly 2 years let alone ever playing at NRL level. I was of the opinion Des knows his players best and is doing the right thing by the kid.

My attitude changed once he went on loan. If we think he is fit enough to be picked by another side he should of stayed and been considered for manly given all of our injuries and lack of performance.

In saying that I think John Hoopa is kidding himself if he thinks Manly has not supported his family over the years. If in fact Albert has signed elsewhere I have no problem with what the club has done if not bring him back to the nest where he belongs.
 
I was on the fence with whether we should have picked Albert not knowing his fitness level after 2 knee reco's. I thought it may have been asking alot of him given he has not played a game for nearly 2 years let alone ever playing at NRL level. I was of the opinion Des knows his players best and is doing the right thing by the kid.

My attitude changed once he went on loan. If we think he is fit enough to be picked by another side he should of stayed and been considered for manly given all of our injuries and lack of performance.
Your initial thoughts were based on fact and logic.
The thoughts involved in your "change of mind" were based on no facts and pure speculation.

Always go with your first thought.😉
 
As I suggested elsewhere, surely a good manager knows how to deal with those personal issues so that they don't interfere with how they play on the field, because that's all its about.

All businesses have varying personalities. Its the talent in melding them into a whole that makes a good manager. And that requires a manager to work through the issues in a logical, not emotional manner. Be receptive, but only to find a way to get the best out of the individual to the benefit of both. Its not unrealistic, but he does take good people skills.

I'm hoping Des remembers he has those skills, but not only for those in his first selected team. Surely he cant ignore the desires of his young reserves to show their skills. The fact there is no Reggies actually exacerbates their frustration at not playing all year, doing something they have trained so hard to do.

Imagine being a potentially top footballer and sitting on the side line for a full year uninjured. Frustrating enough to be injured and wanting to play. Being trained up and ready and then being treated like a third wheel will naturally be frustrating especially for young rising talent anxious to get a chance to show their wares by playing first grade Rugby League. They are in the 36 for that reason.

A good player manager surely should get into the head of youngsters, get to know what they are feeling. He's got to find some way of offering opportunity, especially this year. Imagine for one moment you are in those young players' situation. Don't make judgement calls about it suggesting they should be patient, mature etc. These are young kids, something like we were when we were 18 and gung ho. Think how you would feel, and perhaps them we can see why some are angry..
You speak of Wayne Bennett.
 
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Wonderful narrative ... but your whole argument assumes that the said head of a youngster is rational and not overly self entitled .... not a trait that is as common as it once was ....

Even the great man manager Jack Gibson moved on those that didn't take a tip .... there will always be those that are incorrigible .....

And picking a kid who is gung-ho because of how he may be feeling .... is as wrong as picking someone who you don't think is ready ...


Parents are often sticks in the mud. But they'll usually come around if they see their kid getting a decent shot. Sure Hopa is saying foolish things. Good heavens he's hardly the first one. Try attending a kids football match, which I suspect you have. That's part of the deal. That's reality. You deal with what you've got, but you try your level best to hold onto those you seriously suspect are going to be stars. Woodsie I've been involved with people who make Hopa sen look like a saint and had cups of coffee with them in their kitchen. Its how you treat them. Some are totally illogical, some actually insane, but there are ways of dealing with it. That's what we humans have had to deal with for hundreds of thousand of years
 
I was on the fence with whether we should have picked Albert not knowing his fitness level after 2 knee reco's. I thought it may have been asking alot of him given he has not played a game for nearly 2 years let alone ever playing at NRL level. I was of the opinion Des knows his players best and is doing the right thing by the kid.

My attitude changed once he went on loan. If we think he is fit enough to be picked by another side he should of stayed and been considered for manly given all of our injuries and lack of performance.

In saying that I think John Hoopa is kidding himself if he thinks Manly has not supported his family over the years. If in fact Albert has signed elsewhere I have no problem with what the club has done if not bring him back to the nest where he belongs.

Your initial thoughts were based on fact and logic.
The thoughts involved in your "change of mind" were based on no facts and pure speculation.

Always go with your first thought.😉
he was lent to the Warriors - that's a fact...
the Warriors would not have loaned a player who could not play - that's a fact...
our team have had injuries to outside backs and have demonstrated a lack of performance (2 wins from 7 games prior to Manly signing off on the loan and now 2 wins from 9 games) - also a fact...

I don't think there was THAT much speculation in his change of mind... in fact, the only speculation was the bit in bold - THAT is speculation...
 
I think the only positive (even if we get fogged), IT CAN'T BE WORSE than last weekend, and it would be worth the flogging to see all the youngsters have a run together. Imagine if they play off their respective heads and we win? We get to see what they can do.
Id think Des is worried about the value going up.
 

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