The Anthony Seibold Grievances MEGA THREAD

[Ron E. Gibbs]

Then again, the entire NRL is made up of mercenaries, so it is what it is.

Yeah, I just don't think those "cultural connections" matter anymore.

If you substitute the word "professionals" for "mercenaries" in your sentence above, it might take some of the emotion out of it.

 

[Bearfax]

Yeah I’m not suggesting they’d work somewhere else, more or less highlighting that the club is currently run by mercenaries.

Then again, the entire NRL is made up of mercenaries, so it is what it is.

Of course its made up of people you could identify as mercenaries. Does that surprise?

Gone are the days of the weekend footballers of the 60s and some of the 70s, who played the game for fun and local pride, whose football income usually only supplemented their main jobs during the week. Today they are fully professional sportspeople who rely on their football income to live a better life than some labouring job paying only passable wages These guys have about 15 years to make their fortune.

Loyalty only applies when the interest of both parties is being met. The only other loyalty is coming up through the junior ranks and the mate ship that develops sharing the glories with your pals. Otherwise its who's paying best and which sides are successful and worth throwing your lot in with, to gain better opportunities. You get an offer from Bellamy or Bennett, you'll even be willing to play for a little less, knowing they are competent, successful coaches. There's winners and losers. Players are mercenary, going for where the money and success offer the best, to secure a good life for themselves and their families. Nothing more, other than adulation and glory.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

We seem to have big old style forwards and as the game progressed, the steam ran out of them quickly. Too slow and all too cumbersome.

Lodge and Sipley both huge men coming back from injury, traditionally it takes those types a number of games to get to full match fitness, especially Lodge after his ACL.

Our other big guys Paseka and Aloia have been consistently good this year. Lodge and Sipley when fit can add plenty, but for balance in the side we wouldn't necessarily have all 4 in our 17.

Our squad needs another good second rower. Burbo at this stage is best on the bench, to cover backs and forwards. Waddell too is ok for the bench but starting 2nd row is a stretch.

 

[Brookie Bob]

Lodge and Sipley both huge men coming back from injury, traditionally it takes those types a number of games to get to full match fitness, especially Lodge after his ACL.

Our other big guys Paseka and Aloia have been consistently good this year. Lodge and Sipley when fit can add plenty, but for balance in the side we wouldn't necessarily have all 4 in our 17.

Our squad needs another good second rower. Burbo at this stage is best on the bench, to cover backs and forwards. Waddell too is ok for the bench but starting 2nd row is a stretch.

It was a mistake to have Lodge & Sipley on at the same time - both lack lateral movement (at present).

 

[KaZa]

Think he needs to bring in a number 2 to help him with our defence. Would love Matty Ballin to come home. Potential for him to be coach. What's Gifty upto these days?

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

I think the ‘Ballin option’ has definitely flown. He moved back to QLD for his family’s benefit. I don’t think he is coming back.

 

[Andrew..]

Didn't Seibold work with Eddie Jones? Maybe he's trying to apply Union plays to League. We go wide early, kick on the 3rd tackle and value attack over defence.
Just a thought.

 

[The '47ers]

We should be sacking Seibold, Hales, Lambkin, Dymock, and now Weeden. Why? None of them have any history at Manly and it shows.

Seibold might live in the area but he is a Queenslander who played for Canberra and the London Broncos.

Hales was a Wests Magpie junior that didn’t make the grade.

Dymock is a Bulldog/Eel.

Lambkin was a Magpie. I know he won an u/20s Comp with us but he is still not a Manly person.

Weeden never even played rugby league and has never had anything to do with our club.

Suddenly the future of our clubs rests in the hands of people that have no deep love for it, but rather, want jobs in the NRL.

Like Bellamy is from Melbourne and played for Storm
Like Cleary is from Penrith and played for them
Like Craig Fitzgibbon,Like Bennett ....

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Like Bellamy is from Melbourne and played for Storm
Like Cleary is from Penrith and played for them
Like Craig Fitzgibbon,Like Bennett ....

Leonard’s point is that what works best for Manly* is a former Manly player coaching the first grade side. We all know that the club’s greatest successes have come about when that is the case.**

The records don’t lie. Eight first grade premierships, with the coach in each case being a former Manly player. 11 times as runners-up, again with a Manly man at the helm on each occasion.

The facts might change at some point. Who knows, maybe Seibold, or someone like him, will coach Manly to a premiership in future. However it hasn’t happened yet.

*What happens at other clubs is irrelevant.

**Or it should.

 

[Rocky]

Leonard’s point is that what works best for Manly* is a former Manly player coaching the first grade side. We all know that the club’s greatest successes have come about when that is the case.**

The records don’t lie. Eight first grade premierships, with the coach in each case being a former Manly player. 11 times as runners-up, again with a Manly man at the helm on each occasion.

The facts might change at some point. Who knows, maybe Seibold, or someone like him, will coach Manly to a premiership in future. However it hasn’t happened yet.

*What happens at other clubs is irrelevant.

**Or it should.

Has a mediocre coach ever coached Manly to a premiership?

In my lifetime it was Bob Fulton and Des Hasler - both coaching legends.

So unless there is an outstanding candidate with Manly DNA, then prefer they get a more credentialed coach from elsewhere.

 

[Scorpio]

For whatever reason I don't think Ballin's coaching stint at Blacktown worked very well.

As for other "home grown" coaching options, there's not too many obvious ones I'm aware of:

Brent Kite - Was coaching with some success in Northern NSW, but somewhat strangely went off the rails a bit.
Michael Monaghan - Currently Des' assistant at the Titans.
Geoff Toovey - Won't happen and he isn't the solution anyway.
Brett Fulton - Won a fair bit with pretty stacked junior teams, not sure where he is coaching now though.

Brett Stewart is in the club in some role at the club currently, but I'm not sure he'd want to coach.
Glenn Stewart struck me as the 'on-field' leader but I'm not sure he'd want to coach either. Anthony Watmough is the club's Sydney Shield coach, but hard to assess as he's only had 5 games in charge so far.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

For whatever reason I don't think Ballin's coaching stint at Blacktown worked very well.

As for other "home grown" coaching options, there's not too many obvious ones I'm aware of:

Brent Kite - Was coaching with some success in Northern NSW, but somewhat strangely went off the rails a bit.
Michael Monaghan - Currently Des' assistant at the Titans.
Geoff Toovey - Won't happen and he isn't the solution anyway.
Brett Fulton - Won a fair bit with pretty stacked junior teams, not sure where he is coaching now though.

Brett Stewart is in the club in some role at the club currently, but I'm not sure he'd want to coach.
Glenn Stewart struck me as the 'on-field' leader but I'm not sure he'd want to coach either. Anthony Watmough is the club's Sydney Shield coach, but hard to assess as he's only had 5 games in charge so far.

I agree.

We’re not likely to see a well-credentialled ex-Manly player filling the role anytime soon.

That’s why we have to hope that Seibold, or someone of similar ilk, can create history.

 

[Chunkytuna]

The Tigers did in 2005.

Have not made the semis since.

Games changed fairly significantly sin the intervening 20years. But yes they were the closest to breaking that ‘rule’.

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

It won’t happen! they are still trying to sort out Des’s severance. I think we are struck with until the end of next year. Anyways this season is still far from over for us!

 

[Bringbackcliffy]

I don't think Siebold is the problem, but I'm worried he won't be the solution either.

We need our stars to play consistent football. Until that happens we are going to be a second rate team.

The poor bloke went all in on a team of sprinters. Great if sides let us play and give us room. But we seem to have no plan B. We run around like idiots and then just wait to get the ball back. All out attack is a shock weapon. Not sure if we copying someone or trying to a trend but no ones following. We must be so fun to play against. No matter what happens you only have to wait a minute to get the ball back and you’ll score. DCE has been a great player but his tone deaf overly attacking low % plays are not helping either. Siebs has a serious problem on his hands

 

[Hibyemama]

lately I have been winning betting on some of the underdogs. seems to be a regular pattern there. eg: going to have some fun betting warriors to topple chooks.

 

[Nordburg]

The poor bloke went all in on a team of sprinters. Great if sides let us play and give us room. But we seem to have no plan B. We run around like idiots and then just wait to get the ball back. All out attack is a shock weapon. Not sure if we copying someone or trying to a trend but no ones following. We must be so fun to play against. No matter what happens you only have to wait a minute to get the ball back and you’ll score. DCE has been a great player but his tone deaf overly attacking low % plays are not helping either. Siebs has a serious problem on his hands

Given they average 26 points a game and have only had one match where they haven’t scored 20+,not sure the attack is a problem

 

[Bringbackcliffy]

Given they average 26 points a game and have only had one match where they haven’t scored 20+,not sure the attack is a problem

Agree but we are conceding more than we are scoring. Plan B as is defend and play tight if it’s wet, or if they are rushing up, or you are protecting a lead, or near half time. We are trying to score off every play. No one wins consistently doing that

 

[Damien2812]

The teams playing very poorly and can't defend for sh$t. I wouldn't be in any rush to extend Seibolds time at the club since what other club would take him? Manly has had plenty of coaches since Toovey was sacked and the same leader in DCE who I think needs to move on from the club since his been too comfortable and stale for most of the time. The club needs to look into the future and start looking at another fullback, halfback and again we need are quality hooker.

 

[Pete W]

What Bennett is doing with Dolphins, and Fitzgibbon at Sharks is proof that all the big names within and without a club, superstars, Politis brown paper bags, etc will not guarantee on-field success. A team's character reflects their coach and captain's.

The right man at the helm installs the right ethos carried out with the right attitude. Manly is severely lacking where it counts. This is on Seibold - our flashy attack with no backbone reflects his flashy PR babble with no substance of character. He's literally the polar opposite of guys like Bennett, Bellamy and Fitzgibbon. I'm ashamed to have him at the head of our great club