The Anthony Seibold Grievances MEGA THREAD

[47MVEagle]

It’s bizarre, I can’t understand how we were able to beat both souffs & the rorters & grind out a good win over Penrith but lose to Saints, Canberra & Dolphins.

We’re obviously capable of winning these games but for some reason we switch off after 30 minutes each half & seem to be focused on scoring points & not defending them.

Dunno what the issue is.

 

[jbb/james]

It’s bizarre, I can’t understand how we were able to beat both souffs & the rorters & grind out a good win over Penrith but lose to Saints, Canberra & Dolphins.

We’re obviously capable of winning these games but for some reason we switch off after 30 minutes each half & seem to be focused on scoring points & not defending them.

Dunno what the issue is.

Tough onfield leadership has the team fighting for big plays and the scraps in the same way. Has the team fighting in the 15 th and 75 th minute. The guys with the ball are obvious non believers

total lack of patience for the grind. Its hard to play grind footythough when every step your half takes is sideways unless backing up

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

Do you guys ever blame the players?

I saw a lot of bad things that had nothing to do with the coach.

The reality is Tom is a shadow of his best, DCE is rocks and diamonds and there are some lazy forwards.

I'm not giving Seibold a free pass but honestly blaming the coach for everything is fcking as lazy as Matt Lodge.

I think the players, especially the senior players and so-called leaders in the team, have to share in the blame. They are giving him nothing. But I do think Seibold's focus on our "weapons" in attack has been at the expense of our defence, which is as bad as it's always been. That has to be fixed.

All in all, I'm torn on Seibold and whether he's the right coach for this team. Part of me thinks nobody is the right coach for this team. The senior players are either too stubborn or set in their ways to change, and the rest of the team is caught up in that "hero play" mentality.

I like that Seibold is a good communicator, especially with the media, but I fear that a lot of his words are empty mantras, and they ring especially hollow when the players don't back them up.

I also like his focus on club history and tradition, but again, I'm not sure it amounts to much on the field. Those "The Manly Way" segments look great on YouTube and other social media, but a team's "culture" and identity is established through its deeds on the field, not in pre-season camps and lecture halls.

Look at the Dolphins. They've existed as an NRL team for two years and they've already got an identity as a tough, hardworking team that will stay in games and compete to the end. They've also got a few "weapons" of their own and can score tries in bunches. Cobbling that team together from nothing may well be Wayne Bennett's masterpiece.

Then you look at us. What's our identity? A team that can build a lead but can't hang onto it. A team that can't defend - in the middle, or on the edges. A team that can score some really pretty tries but will more often than not self-destruct. A team that can't rely on its leaders. A team that won't compete for 80 minutes.

There is no reason for any other team in the NRL to be scared of us, even when they're down by 20, because they know there's always a way back against this team.

In the end, it all comes down to winning. And, rightly or wrongly, it's going to land at Seibold's feet. He has a lot to fix and not much time to fix it in, and he's beginning to look like somebody who knows he's in over his head.

 

[Rocky]

I think the players, especially the senior players and so-called leaders in the team, have to share in the blame. They are giving him nothing. But I do think Seibold's focus on our "weapons" in attack has been at the expense of our defence, which is as bad as it's always been. That has to be fixed.

All in all, I'm torn on Seibold and whether he's the right coach for this team. Part of me thinks nobody is the right coach for this team. The senior players are either too stubborn or set in their ways to change, and the rest of the team is caught up in that "hero play" mentality.

I like that Seibold is a good communicator, especially with the media, but I fear that a lot of his words are empty mantras, and they ring especially hollow when the players don't back them up.

I also like his focus on club history and tradition, but again, I'm not sure it amounts to much on the field. Those "The Manly Way" segments look great on YouTube and other social media, but a team's "culture" and identity is established through its deeds on the field, not in pre-season camps and lecture halls.

Look at the Dolphins. They've existed as an NRL team for two years and they've already got an identity as a tough, hardworking team that will stay in games and compete to the end. They've also got a few "weapons" of their own and can score tries in bunches. Cobbling that team together from nothing may well be Wayne Bennett's masterpiece.

Then you look at us. What's our identity? A team that can build a lead but can't hang onto it. A team that can't defend - in the middle, or on the edges. A team that can score some really pretty tries but will more often than not self-destruct. A team that can't rely on its leaders. A team that won't compete for 80 minutes.

There is no reason for any other team in the NRL to be scared of us, even when they're down by 20, because they know there's always a way back against this team.

In the end, it all comes down to winning. And, rightly or wrongly, it's going to land at Seibold's feet. He has a lot to fix and not much time to fix it in, and he's beginning to look like somebody who knows he's in over his head.

Great post.

 

[Rocky]

Coach sets the game plans, selects the players, sets the attacking and defence structures. So yes, I hold him accountable

Of course he should be accountable.I don't think anyone on here is saying he shouldn't be.

But the basic errors from guys like Tom should also be called out.

You do realize you can hold Seibold accountable and call out the players as well?

 

[Chunkytuna]

If I were Siebold I'd be tempted to just scrap the playbook entirely and switch ALL focus to defence for a few weeks. Just train for defence. Forget about attack. They know how to attack. For a few weeks just focus solely on defence. Yeah we might lose some games in the process, but as others have said, this team needs a whole new focus and a whole new identity. No team ever won a comp playing the way we do. EVER.

 

[Rocky]

If I were Siebold I'd be tempted to just scrap the playbook entirely and switch ALL focus to defence for a few weeks. Just train for defence. Forget about attack. They know how to attack. For a few weeks just focus solely on defence. Yeah we might lose some games in the process, but as others have said, this team needs a whole new focus and a whole new identity. No team ever won a comp playing the way we do. EVER.

I like that. Manly have enough points in them.

Where I think it is clear that Seibold needs to change things, is rather than doubling down on the offense, more of a focus on the defence is obviously required.

 

[Waz13]

It’s bizarre, I can’t understand how we were able to beat both souffs & the rorters & grind out a good win over Penrith but lose to Saints, Canberra & Dolphins.

We’re obviously capable of winning these games but for some reason we switch off after 30 minutes each half & seem to be focused on scoring points & not defending them.

Dunno what the issue is.

Still feel the comp is closer this year. You come without focus and intent and make silly errors, you won’t win. I mean titans (last) nearly beat storm (first) last week. Really the difference in results between us and Melb is the gritty edge (soft underbelly) and footy smarts to get the job done. We don’t have it and for mine that’s what the issue is. The rosters good enough to compete we’ve all seen that.

 

[MW66]

Our inability to develop a defensive plan is a red flag for me. Its not just the rushing in of the outside backs. It is our try line defence as well. In every game this year, including Souths in Rnd 1 it felt like the opposition could score at anytime. We got rid of who Ithought was the biggest offender, Tui but we dish up the same rubbish. This has to be coaching. Therefore we need to get the best defensive coach in the business or an assistant coach from the Panthers.

The other red flag is our game plan and lack of discipline. Wet weather, when leading a game - we need to be more composed and play the 1%'s e.g. kick to corners, straight line in defence. We seem to be a team fill of trick plays and recklass passing no matter what the circumstances. Siebold can be as disappointed as he likes but the game plan starts with him.

Another season of false promises.................

 

[Bearfax]

Any mention of how the defence has not improved one bit,under his watch?Or the overuse of Tom Trbojevic in attack?Or the continued selection of ordinary players that coincidentally are managed by the same person who just so happens to be his manager?Or the clear out of plenty of young promising players,based,as far as we all know,on an issue the club has with a certain manager(yes I understand a couple of those players were being overpaid and it messed up the cap,but…)?
In his tenure,not even many of the wins have been convincing

Strongly agree with your points there Nordburg. Noted that the best players like Turbo, Jurbo, DCE are trying too hard. Turbo was playing dummy half at times. The defensive structure is obviously quite flawed and its destroying all the good work in getting Manly into what should be a winning position. Noted that Koula came alive moving to full back and really I think he should stay there and have Turbo (if he comes back) in the centres. Both halves are trying hard to get this team moving. Talau is looking good on the wing. Waddell tries hard, Jake is always there and well done Brooks for only one missed tackle from 25 tackles, a try assist and good yardage in attack. Defense was a little better but this team is still not functioning on all spark plugs and gets seemingly tired by half time.

 

[mave]

If the team is getting gassed, despite apparently being fit, maybe we could try to keep possession more, instead of kicking the ball away mid set so often.

Just a thought, I'm sure our illustrious coaching staff have considered it.

 

[XV-1]

If I were Siebold I'd be tempted to just scrap the playbook entirely and switch ALL focus to defence for a few weeks. Just train for defence. Forget about attack. They know how to attack. For a few weeks just focus solely on defence. Yeah we might lose some games in the process, but as others have said, this team needs a whole new focus and a whole new identity. No team ever won a comp playing the way we do. EVER.

The Tigers did in 2005.

Have not made the semis since.

 

[BOZO]

All in all, I'm torn on Seibold and whether he's the right coach for this team.

Torn ????
It is not complicated
The Right coach is the coach that gets the best out of his players
Teams either underachieve or overachieve
and coaches either keep their job or lose their job as a result in a results driven business
Because no proud or smart club keeps persisting with losers

 

[BOZO]

Of course he should be accountable.I don't think anyone on here is saying he shouldn't be.

But the basic errors from guys like Tom should also be called out.

You do realize you can hold Seibold accountable and call out the players as well?

You do realise that the coach is the first to get fired when his players are not firing ?

The moral of the story
Players are accountable but the coach is accountable for his players
Have a good day feathered friend @Rocky

 

[Andrew..]

I hate the term "flat track bullies" but that's exactly what we are. We can dish it out but, we just can't stand up when the blowtorch is turned on us. I don't know what the answer is but it's hard to stay positive when your team just won't roll up their sleeves and play tough.
I sometimes think this team is just too dammed nice. It might not be politically correct nowadays but I'd give anything to see some Glenn Stewart mongrel in the team.

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

I hate the term "flat track bullies" but that's exactly what we are. We can dish it out but, we just can't stand up when the blowtorch is turned on us.

Yeah, it's that lack of resilience that haunts us game by game and over the course of a season. If everything is going our way, we look great. But as soon as something goes against us in a game and momentum starts to turn, we fold.

Same goes for the season. We start well, great win in Vegas, beat the Roosters, beat the Panthers, happy f**king days. But then we start to look less convincing, squeaking out wins against lesser teams and snatching a draw and then defeat from the jaws of victory. Then the injuries kick in: Saab and Tommy in the one game.

So now we have plenty of excuses for the slide down the ladder to begin, and if there's one thing this team has been good at over the last decade, it's finding excuses.

Honestly, if Seibold can turn this around, he may be the greatest coach of all time.

 

[God]

It'll never happen but it's time.

Koula
RAY.V
Talaou
 GARICK
Paulo
Brooks
ARTHUR
Paseka
DCE
JAKE
Waddles
Mole
BROWN

Lodge
JOSH.A
BEN.T
 CROCKER

18. SIPLEY

 

[mave]

It'll never happen but it's time.

Koula
RAY.V
Talaou
 GARICK
Paulo
Brooks
ARTHUR
Paseka
DCE
JAKE
Waddles
Mole
BROWN

Lodge
JOSH.A
BEN.T
 CROCKER

18. SIPLEY

DCE would have been the games best 9 imo if he had moved there years ago.

He certainly isn't the games best 7.

 

[BOZO]

Honestly, if Seibold can turn this around, he may be the greatest coach of all time.

We hope he does turn things around
We would all be very proud
We want Manly to Win Premierships again

 

[Fibro Eagle]

I don't think Seibs is the problem
He can coach the players to do this and that but it's more the players not following , mistakes drop balls missed tackles is not on Seibs
Defensive structures yes that's a problem yes but too many One on one misses is killing Manly
That 5 mins before 1/2 time is not on Seibs that was on the players, and that proved the difference last night