Salary Cap Witch Hunt. **Appeal unsuccessful**

[globaleagle]

I got $23,000!

Did you declare it to Toddy?

 

[rmd]

Oh dear, Todd has charged Bozo with compliance to cheat and I am sure that is something Todd will regret for the rest of his life. I don’t think Bozo is the type of person to take this stuff lying down with aspersions against his integrity. I am certain serious legal stuff will happen soon. Taking on Politis (Joe Kelly) and the Penn’s and Bozo may not have been Greenberg’s best move. It’s akin to a chihuahua facing a pit bull! This will drag out and it’s likey to go to court for defamation.

 

[master blaster]

I don’t get the statement of “ every club will be disappointed “
Every other club has be fined for salary cap breaches every year since the inception of the cap. Every club tries to take adavantage of TPA’s
It’s the fans of other clubs that will be diassapointed that are fully aware that every club rorts the cap and tpa’s but wish to ignore that fact cause it’s Manly’s Turn the be put in the spotlight
If the statement from club is to believed that they will appeal well and good
For me the muds already stuck , take it move on and win the comp that’s the only to stick it up all the haters

And it really annoyed me when he said every club has the right to be angry with us, it was like he was encouraging every club to be angry with us, that really P.......d me off

 

[Spartan Eagle]

1.5 million into 13 players over 5 years = 28,000 each of 13 players over each year.

Sounds like the cost of a Mazda

 

[eaglebuzz]

The only thing we did that other clubs don't is get (maybe) caught.

It is SO obvious that the Storm, Roosters and Broncos are not on a level playing field with the cap. And yet here we are listening to Greenburg rattle off this BS.

At least the cap hits are actually smaller than what we had to deal with last year.

 

[Leader of the Flock]

What I find interesting is Greenberg's use of his words in the statement he read out, he said there's "compelling" evidence, he didn't say irrefutable, uncontestable or proven.

So, it sounds to me that if the club decides to continue the flight, that these allegations are open to challenge or that the NRL doesn't have the proof, just a belief.

Management/ owners, it's up to you, fight until the death(the Manly never surrender attitude) or give up like other clubs; which will it be?

 

[Moops]

The only thing we did that other clubs don't is get (maybe) caught.

It is SO obvious that the Storm, Roosters and Broncos are not on a level playing field with the cap. And yet here we are listening to Greenburg rattle off this BS.

At least the cap hits are actually smaller than what we had to deal with last year.

How much clearer can the Roosters be that they are operating well below the salary cap? Our $800,000 cap space is chicken feed compared with how much the Roosters still have left to spend. Leave them out of this.

 

[Spartan Eagle]

What I find interesting is Greenberg's use of his words in the statement he read out, he said there's "compelling" evidence, he didn't say irrefutable, uncontestable or proven.

So, it sounds to me that if the club decides to continue the flight, that these allegations are open to challenge or that the NRL doesn't have the proof, just a belief.

Management/ owners, it's up to you, fight until the death(the Manly never surrender attitude) or give up like other clubs; which will it be?

That's a fair point you make there. The word is not conclusive. "Compelling" is often used to describe evidence relating to things like the existence of aliens, bigfoot, UFOs, Atlantis, weapons of mass destruction and now salary cap breaches at Manly Sea Eagles. There is a clear pattern there and this should be tendered as part of our defence..

 

[Moops]

Oh dear, Todd has charged Bozo with compliance to cheat and I am sure that is something Todd will regret for the rest of his life. I don’t think Bozo is the type of person to take this stuff lying down with aspersions against his integrity. I am certain serious legal stuff will happen soon. Taking on Politis (Joe Kelly) and the Penn’s and Bozo may not have been Greenberg’s best move. It’s akin to a chihuahua facing a pit bull! This will drag out and it’s likey to go to court for defamation.

Bozo will be stripped of his immortal status and it will be handed to Scam.

 

[Kevinward777]

The only thing we did that other clubs don't is get (maybe) caught.

It is SO obvious that the Storm, Roosters and Broncos are not on a level playing field with the cap. And yet here we are listening to Greenburg rattle off this BS.

At least the cap hits are actually smaller than what we had to deal with last year.

The continuing cap reductions will bite us, make no mistake about that. We were desperate to have Snake and Matai medically retired to ease cap pressure in coming years. Now wth another $660k it will hurt us a lot more than most people are making out.

 

[lsz]

Depends on the details. And we all know the favored clubs have been rorting the cap for years.

Depends on the details. And we all know the favored clubs have been rorting the cap for years.

Agree

 

[Captain Moondog]

What I find interesting is Greenberg's use of his words in the statement he read out, he said there's "compelling" evidence, he didn't say irrefutable, uncontestable or proven.

The evidence is undeniable, Greenberg's an absolutely world class wanker.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

The major point in any appeal is that in a court case it’s taken to a higher court ( usually ) and gets you more experienced judges.

In this case surely it’s appealing to the same people who will clearly say,

Um, well we’ve taken another look and um, well, not really so, um , well um...denied!!

 

[Rodo]

I wonder if in the initial report where the media said that players from "several clubs have taken secret benefits or cash payments" actually referred to players who previously played for Manly and that no other clubs were thought to be directly doing this too.

 

[Leader of the Flock]

Batty,

Yeah, you're right if they just appeal to the NRL. It'd be like what Sir Frank Packer said about America's Cup protests to the then holders and organisers of the America's Cup, the New York Yatch Club, "It's like protesting to your Mother-in-Law about your Wife".

But, if it's possible to take it further, which I believe would be the end game, then the NRL would have to prove the allegations, not just believe any allegation. That said I'm not legally qualified or totally familiar with any licence condition(s) the club has with the NRL that may preclude taking this further with a civil court.

I guess we'll all just to have to see what happens and how much fight is in the Penns or what their legal advice happens to be about a successful appeal.

 

[Jatz Crackers]

Appealing is usually a different beast.

I am no expert, but to make an appeal it usually has to centre around a point of law. That can include procedural fairness (cough, splutter lol), technical error in reaching the judgement, penalty falls outside guidelines etc etc

 

[Jatz Crackers]

Oh and the appeal goes to an independent panel chaired by Ian Cullinan QC who was previously a Justice of the High Court, so most definitely any appeal would be mounted on points of law.

Penns legal people would have known all of this from the outset and even had some inklings as to the points of appeal and how it would be handled.

Then again, I hold little faith in the High Court of Australia or the legal profession in general so...................

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Appealing is usually a different beast.

I am no expert, but to make an appeal it usually has to centre around a point of law. That can include procedural fairness (cough, splutter lol), technical error in reaching the judgement, penalty falls outside guidelines etc etc

Or “ Compelling Evidence “ as opposed to “ Conclusive Evidence”.

 

[mave]

Penn will make his own mind up, no doubt.

But this bloke has to start realising that he is not only the owner, he is actually the custodian of 70 + years of history and culture.

Whatever he does, he needs to start getting it right for a change.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

So where can I find a detailed rundown of what they have actually done wrong? Does such a document, for public perusal, exist?