Salary Cap Witch Hunt. **Appeal unsuccessful**

[40 years an eagle]

Can someone confirm this is the substantive issue.

I remember reading this:

Car deals at the centre of Manly Sea Eagles salary cap investigation

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...salary-cap-investigation-20171213-h047sy.html

 

[master blaster]

And yet we blatantly advertise a testimonial rort organised by the nrl and the clubs concerned to line the already bulging pockets of Scam and JTwhinger. Can no one in the media see what a farce this admin is or are we blinded by our support of Manly.

The irony of it all.2008 ,they the scum get busted for rorting the salary cap, now almost 10 years later its like they are saying, look ,sorry Scam about 2008, you can have half the takings on this testimonial game as a way of saying sorry for the embarrassment we put you through back then. It will never happen again, well not to you anyway..

 

[MissKate]

What I can't work out is where all this info came from as I am sure I read somewhere that neither 'the granny' or the car dealership where ever approach to provide info/evidence to the nrl. One would have to ask that if they were not interviewed this matter can not have anything to do with them. Or am I missing something here

 

[Shoe1]

I think the Mazda thing was because it was a tpa, but then they were transferring over to being a club sponsor. As long as dates are ok the manly excuse seems ok.

 

[SeaEagle21]

From all the reports I read I thought it was more to do with the club suggesting that players will receive TPA's during contract talks.

If the club has suggested that either of the 2 examples you mention above TPA's were part of their package then they are in trouble.

Example.
Players A,B,C,D have a TPA from car company. Player E is new to the club and during negotiations the club suggests that he can probably receive a similar TPA to players A,B,C,D. If there is evidence of this, there's trouble.

I'm not saying that I agree with any of it at all but from my interpretation, that's what the trouble is.
For the NRL not to interview those people tells me it's nothing they've done. It's more the way the club has dealt with the TPA....which of course they are supposed to have nothing to do with.

I thought the club were allowed to make introductions to potential TPA sponsers but that’s it? If that’s the case then would something like:

Manly: we are prepared to offer you $X

Player Manager: i think my client’s market value is $1.3X

Manly: Well $X is all we have. We can introduce you to a potential TPA that you can negotiate with if you think your client is worth more.

Would this be legal? Only asking because the NRL has clear definitions that can be understood easily and not misunderstood/misinterpreted.....

This introduction already makes it look like the club wouldn’t be at arms length?

 

[Under the Sticks]

Surely you found something to amuse yourself during that 2 hours......in the dark.....alone with the wife.....at Brookie......

Under the sticks

 

[Shoe1]

I thought the club were allowed to make introductions to potential TPA sponsers but that’s it? If that’s the case then would something like:

Manly: we are prepared to offer you $X

Player Manager: i think my client’s market value is $1.3X

Manly: Well $X is all we have. We can introduce you to a potential TPA that you can negotiate with if you think your client is worth more.

Would this be legal? Only asking because the NRL has clear definitions that can be understood easily and not misunderstood/misinterpreted.....

This introduction already makes it look like the club wouldn’t be at arms length?

As long as the phrase “at arm’s length” is used in negotiations and on the paperwork then everything is sweet, anything goes. If manly forgot to use the phrase then I guess we’re screwed.

 

[HappilyManly]

I always thought that TPAs were there to protect Clubs from financial claims by players.

Introducing players to potential Sponsors does not make the Club liable for any agreements between the two parties.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

This is where TPA’s are a total Rort, different interpretations and different rules for each club.

 

[Spartan Eagle]

I think the Mazda thing was because it was a tpa, but then they were transferring over to being a club sponsor. As long as dates are ok the manly excuse seems ok.

I agree. Perhaps that's where it could be perceived as a conflict of interests or not at arm's length where you have simultaneous arrangements in place. Perhaps NRL argument is that TPA provider is gaining a benefit from new arrangement by becoming a sponsor of Manly..however all this was signed off by the NRL so really they should go **** themselves IMO..

See link for the article
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...party-arrangement-system-20171214-h04s59.html



Manly Sea Eagles car deal raise questions over murky third-party arrangement system

• Adrian Proszenko

Dec 15, 2017

NRL investigators at the Manly headquarters earlier in 2017. Photo: Daniel Munoz

The third-party agreement sponsor at the centre of the NRLs' salary cap investigation into Manly has just become a club backer, raising fresh questions about what constitutes an "arm's length" agreement in the murky world of TPAs.

Brookvale Mazda has entered into a commercial partnership with the Sea Eagles, replacing Suttons Motor Group as the club's official vehicle supplier. The governing body is said to have rubber-stamped the arrangement despite the fact four current players – Curtis Sironen, Darcy Lussick and Tom and Jake Trbojevic – are still on the firm's books as brand ambassadors.

Rinaldi believes the NRL should allow companies to simultaneously sponsor individuals and clubs.

• "I'd love to [do both]," he said. "I reckon the NRL should be encouraging businesses and people of any size and calibre to support the club if they want to support the club.
  
  "It brings money into the clubs and the NRL. If it helps build the code and the players, why not?"
  
  Rinaldi said he was disappointed he is unable to renew his existing TPA deals with Sironen, Lussick and the Trbojevic brothers.
  
  "My hope, first and foremost is that I would be a third-party sponsor and honour my commitment to the players," he said. "That is my current arrangement. We have a close one-on-one relationship and I would like to continue doing that."
  
  The TPA car deals are one of the main focuses of the NRL's salary cap investigation into Manly. Another is some of the TPAs from long-time lawyer and Sea Eagles fan Brenda Duchen, who has sponsored Kieran Foran, Dylan Walker and Matt Parcell. There is no suggestion that any players or sponsors have acted inappropriately.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Murkey Third Party Deals!!!!

Lol, how about 2 contracts, boats and Harvey Norman gift vouchers!!

Or maybe a home unit!

Or paper bags.

FMD they are complete fools.

 

[The better Robbo]

Greenturd recently came out and said TPA system is flawed. ALL teams are "cheating" the cap under this system. Manly have done what every other club has done! All TPA payments in question were originally signed off by the nrl,
Considering this and the fact greenturd has admitted a flawed system I would expect a fine AND still allow us to add a player or two.

 

[MadMarcus]

The irony of it all.2008 ,they the scum get busted for rorting the salary cap, now almost 10 years later its like they are saying, look ,sorry Scam about 2008, you can have half the takings on this testimonial game as a way of saying sorry for the embarrassment we put you through back then. It will never happen again, well not to you anyway..

When's Brett Stewart's testimonial?

 

[lsz]

Here is a third party deal we can all get behind

Support the site by joining up to the tipping comp...you are indirectly supporting your team*

*the actual team being silver tails but hey...it is tough to shoe horn this sort of stuff into every thread

 

[40 years an eagle]

The result of this witch hunt is going to all come down to how much butthurt Greenturd feels from our response to the claims, our signing of Thompson and our attempt to sign Carney(if that's what is happening),
If he has chronic case of hemorrhoids over it we WILL be punished, heavily...count on it.
It's obvious he does whatever he wants and doesn't have anyone to answer to.

 

[Bearfax]

Is not this payment arranged for Thurston and Smith a TPA in nature. And if so how can the NRL be involved in such given their status in the game.

I cant understand how clubs are allowing this payment. Both players get a fortune from playing the game. Other players on far less have played just as hard, many far harder, some especially in the forwards ending with permanent disabilities. Yet unless their long term club arranges something after their retirement from the game to supplement what they have earned, they limp away watching as two 'stars' with big pay packets now get a gimme from an arrangement by the League.

They are great players but these payments are not like marquee inducements keeping a player in the game. Its a top up on their already huge incomes, while others struggle. And its a payment by an organisation that has a direct involvement with the game. Is this not blatant double standards and I suspect contrary to the Leagues own rules?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Is not this payment arranged for Thurston and Smith a TPA in nature. And if so how can the NRL be involved in such given their status in the game.

I cant understand how clubs are allowing this payment. Both players get a fortune from playing the game. Other players on far less have played just as hard, many far harder, some especially in the forwards ending with permanent disabilities. Yet unless their long term club arranges something after their retirement from the game to supplement what they have earned, they limp away watching as two 'stars' with big pay packets now get a gimme from an arrangement by the League.

They are great players but these payments are not like marquee inducements keeping a player in the game. Its a top up on their already huge incomes, while others struggle. And its a payment by an organisation that has a direct involvement with the game. Is this not blatant double standards and I suspect contrary to the Leagues own rules?

Goodonya Baz.

 

[Bearfax]

Goodonya Baz.

Sorry SER8. You're right. Baz covered it well. I'm just reinforcing the point I guess. Its a rort.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Rort is too polite a term, and no apology required for highlighting it again!

 

[jbb/james]

just a thought

just after the match fixing allegations turn out to be false, this salary cap drama lurches into gear, could it be that a player at the centre of this decided to roll on the club to help there own cause. could the nrl have even offered a player a deal to roll on the club, offering exonertion of another offence

this may come back and sting a lot of people if penn draws a line in the sand.

or was this covered 50 pages ago and i just caught up