Salary Cap Witch Hunt. **Appeal unsuccessful**

[OneEyedEagle]

Each time this post pops up with a new post I always wait with bated breath at an official announcement that the bald head prick Toddy TURDberger has been forced to apologise to our team, owners and fans and has resigned effective immediately.

Dreams do come true sometimes

 

[40 years an eagle]

Forget the moral standpoint as it involves Manly 🙄 but I don't see how the NRL can LEGALLY restrict us from signing players pending this salary cap debacle.

Isn't the salary cap compliance date 30 june, not at any time before?

Why are we not permitted to spend our ALLOTTED salary cap and then alter our roster or player payment schedule IF and WHEN we are found guilty of the charges?

Isn't the NRL also, by this neverending farce, hindering our ability to fulfil the 30 man squad that they themselves impose on us?

Surely these are clear restrictions of trade and the NRL would not have a leg to stand on if challenged.

And then there is the brand damage on top of that.

I hope these points were made clear as part of our response to the charges.

 

[Jatz Crackers]

Forget the moral standpoint as it involves Manly 🙄 but I don't see how the NRL can LEGALLY restrict us from signing players pending this salary cap debacle.

The NRL would reply upon the administrative condition that they & only they are able to register player contracts. MWFC agreed to these things when we applied for and was granted a license to play in the NRL.

I wouldn't worry too much, Penn has had lawyers oversee our response.

 

[HappilyManly]

Forget the moral standpoint as it involves Manly 🙄 but I don't see how the NRL can LEGALLY restrict us from signing players pending this salary cap debacle.

Isn't the salary cap compliance date 30 june, not at any time before?

Why are we not permitted to spend our ALLOTTED salary cap and then alter our roster or player payment schedule IF and WHEN we are found guilty of the charges?

Isn't the NRL also, by this neverending farce, hindering our ability to fulfil the 30 man squad that they themselves impose on us?

Surely these are clear restrictions of trade and the NRL would not have a leg to stand on if challenged.

And then there is the brand damage on top of that.

I hope these points were made clear as part of our response to the charges.

Manly are not signing anyone in case the NRL's ruling includes a sizeable chunk of the Cap as punishment.

If Manly have an over-Cap roster, then we lose match points as well 😕

 

[40 years an eagle]

We don't have a "roster" (30 players) at all, we only have a preliminary number of 28 players at this stage. How on earth can the value of an incomplete, "hypothetical" roster be used to judge compliance?


As for "not signing anyone in case the NRL's ruling includes a sizeable chunk of the cap as punishment"...our roster is not complete and we are allowed to shuffle it before the deadline date so as to comply, so I doubt that is happening.
The NRL can deny registering a signing, and I guess THAT is what is preventing any ANNOUNCED signing.

Maybe Greenturd wants to drag this out towards the deadline (2 weeks) forcing us to submit our 30 or be fined for not complying.
Maybe we are not signing anyone to "appease" the turd so he let's us off easy on the charges ...or maybe a contract has been submitted for Carney.
It's all speculation at this point but I'm sure Penn's legal team has all this covered and my guess is it will all end up favourably for us.

 

[tookey]

The NRL made us play with 28 players last year so why would this year be any different?

 

[swoop]

I hope we get busted, that way they could go through the rest of the clubs and find out how many dodgy cases there are. The donkeys and rooters will be in all sorts of **** if they went through them as vigorously as they've done with Manly. Everyone knows we don't have as many TPA's as most other clubs. This will blow up in the NRL's face and open a new can of worms.

 

[pjayz]

I hope we get busted, that way they could go through the rest of the clubs and find out how many dodgy cases there are. The donkeys and rooters will be in all sorts of **** if they went through them as vigorously as they've done with Manly. Everyone knows we don't have as many TPA's as most other clubs. This will blow up in the NRL's face and open a new can of worms.

The problem is that they will change the rules after busting us so the other clubs won’t come under scrutiny. Todd has already come out and said the rules need an overhaul.

 

[Budgie]

The problem is that they will change the rules after busting us so the other clubs won’t come under scrutiny. Todd has already come out and said the rules need an overhaul.

Like the Barnaby Joyce Memorial Bonking Ban?

 

[maxta]

We continually hear hypothetical fines that Manly have to pay if found guilty, which has not happened and in fact, some embarrassing skeptical attempts I have read/heard around the traps, are mostly similar to every other club and not as bad.
Thing I would like to know is how much the NRL will owe Manly if proven innocent - for the cost of losing players and the ability to build the best team like every other club had the right to, losing sponsors and potential sponsorship, creating so much bad press over this entire debacle and maybe, these past false allegations need to be added also, as I know Snake Stewart rightfully won his case and some redemption, but these stories effect the name of the Manly club, not just the individual player.
Anyway that's my last rant on this stuff, prefer to talk footy so bring on the season.

 

[40 years an eagle]

The NRL made us play with 28 players last year

Did we get fined for it?

 

[Spartan Eagle]

Did we get fined for it?

Yes over one million dollars worth sitting on the sidelines

 

[40 years an eagle]

It was a serious question. If we didn't, why didn't we? I'm sure we will cop a fine if we are under the 30 this year.

 

[Spartan Eagle]

It was a serious question. If we didn't, why didn't we? I'm sure we will cop a fine if we are under the 30 this year.

I think they were counted as part of our top 30 that's why we weren't fined

 

[Bearfax]

I think they were counted as part of our top 30 that's why we weren't fined

28. The new 30.

 

[Chip and Chase]

My understanding is that your "Top 30" is just the 30 highest paid players at your club, so you can never not have a top 30. You don't choose your best 30 players on skill or anything other than $$$ you pay them - of course skill and $$ are closely linked. You may have to make a choice if two players are on the same contract value at around that 30th position - but how likely is that.

Our current issue is that we don't know what room we have left in our cap for more signings because of this salary cap investigation. If we have another $600k to play with then we sign another player or two who then make it into that top 30 highest paid bracket. If we don't have that money then those last two spots are taken up by second tier guys and we effectively play with a reduced cap.

The issue last year with Matai and Stewart was that they were clearly in the top 30 bracket for highest paid so we had to include them in the 30 because the NRL wouldn't give us a salary cap exemption for them being injured. So effectively we played with 28 players.

 

[manly al]

Just heard on my local NTH QLD radio sports report that the N R L is supposedly going to set up a special body to review and scrutinize present third party agreements with a particular onus on the Broncos and the Cowboys. i wonder if actions will actually then speak louder then words . As for the current Manly investigation , the apparent farce just seemingly continues and surely or invariably must be resolved soon .

 

[Dan]

Just heard on my local NTH QLD radio sports report that the N R L is supposedly going to set up a special body to review and scrutinize present third party agreements with a particular onus on the Broncos and the Cowboys. i wonder if actions will actually then speak louder then words . As for the current Manly investigation , the apparent farce just seemingly continues and surely or invariably must be resolved soon .

This seems wise, if they fine us for this stuff, every other club will be extremely worried. This is going to be pretty damaging I would imagine.

It just seems that 3rd party deals should have nothing to do with clubs and contracts at all, or they should be considered in the cap

 

[Ned]

My understanding is that your "Top 30" is just the 30 highest paid players at your club, so you can never not have a top 30. You don't choose your best 30 players on skill or anything other than $$$ you pay them - of course skill and $$ are closely linked. You may have to make a choice if two players are on the same contract value at around that 30th position - but how likely is that.

It is linked to money in that there is a minimum of $100K that any member of the top 30 has to be paid.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

It is linked to money in that there is a minimum of $100K that any member of the top 30 has to be paid.

I think $85k is the min payment this year.