Sack Seibold Immediately

[Brookie1973]

I'd be moving for Holbrook before he is snap up.

Best option on the market.

All the good next best options are being picked up by other clubs. We’ve already committed to Seibold for 2026. Once we change our mind mid year, who will be available?

 

[The Right Edge]

Interesting Holbrook comes well credentialled having a 33% success ratio for the Gold Coast, that said he did coach them to 8th place in 2021 and didn't get a spoon. It is also a whopping 2% better than Trent Barrett. On the plus he does have an 80%+ success rate in the ESL.

Seibold currently sitting at 47%
Brad Arthur achieved 52% at Parra and is sitting @ 63% at Leeds.
Josh Hannay is also impressive having coached 30 NRL games @ 37% and 46 QRL games at 39%.

Lets be careful what we wish for.

Has Tooves lost currency in coaching in the modern game. He sits better than all these guys. Take the 2015 season away and he would be sitting at around 60% with 2015 he finished with a 58% success rate.

 

[MissKate]

I wonder what will happen with Monaghan when Dessie leaves the titans.

 

[Brookie1973]

I wonder what will happen with Monaghan when Dessie leaves the titans.

His name never gets mentioned viz coaches in waiting. Hopefully picks up a role somewhere. Wouldn’t mind him back at Manly - liked him as a player.

 

[Nordburg]

His name never gets mentioned viz coaches in waiting. Hopefully picks up a role somewhere. Wouldn’t mind him back at Manly - liked him as a player.

He’s had less success than the current Manly assistants,that says a bit

 

[ManlyTragic]

Calm down everyone , we all have different views , as they are opinions, none are 100% right or 100% wrong.

We are all passionate and express our passion in different ways.

The sun will come up tomorrow, and will go down tomorrow night.

Umm no it won’t mark … the sun stays where it is the earth rotates!

Just sayin’😉

 

[Brookie1973]

He’s had less success than the current Manly assistants,that says a bit

He’s just stuck solid with Des. Hasn’t really had a chance to prove himself. Hope he can find something.

 

[Scorpio]

Interesting Holbrook comes well credentialled having a 33% success ratio for the Gold Coast, that said he did coach them to 8th place in 2021 and didn't get a spoon. It is also a whopping 2% better than Trent Barrett. On the plus he does have an 80%+ success rate in the ESL.

Seibold currently sitting at 47%
Brad Arthur achieved 52% at Parra and is sitting @ 63% at Leeds.
Josh Hannay is also impressive having coached 30 NRL games @ 37% and 46 QRL games at 39%.

Lets be careful what we wish for.

Has Tooves lost currency in coaching in the modern game. He sits better than all these guys. Take the 2015 season away and he would be sitting at around 60% with 2015 he finished with a 58% success rate.

Stats can make for interesting conclusions if taken in isolation.

Ivan Cleary had a win ratio of 47% from the 319 NRL games he coached before 2020... a lower win rate than Seibold has currently. Then he won 78% of all games since, taking the Panthers to a Grand final, followed by 4 premierships in a row. His overall win rate is now 58%.

Does it mean he was just an average coach before 2020, or was just he doing the best he could with the more modest squads he had? The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

For the same reason I wouldn't rule out Holbrook based on his record at the Titans... he was replaced with Des who has not done a better job there.

 

[Nordburg]

Stats can make for interesting conclusions if taken in isolation.

Ivan Cleary had a win ratio of 47% from the 319 NRL games he coached before 2020... a lower win rate than Seibold has currently. Then he won 78% of all games since, taking the Panthers to a Grand final, followed by 4 premierships in a row. His overall win rate is now 58%.

Does it mean he was just an average coach before 2020, or was just he doing the best he could with the more modest squads he had? The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

For the same reason I wouldn't rule out Holbrook based on his record at the Titans... he was replaced with Des who has not done a better job there.

You could use that argument to keep Seibold

 

[LeonardCohen]

Seibold started the season with a roster more than capable of challenging for a top four spot; certainly in the top six. The talent is there: We are the only club to beat the Storm in Melbourne this season. We have beaten top teams Penrith, Brisbane and Canberra. Yet we've lost to the weakest teams, Newcastle, Titans and Tigers.
DCE has played a large part in our schizophrenic results. But so too has been selections of journeymen who simply are playing for a paycheque. We haven't refreshed our 17 'best' with youth, energy or hope.
That to me has been Seibold's main failing, and being "proud" of mediocracy. He needs to go. With change brings hope.

I totally agree that Seibold’s biggest failing is recruitment. I get that he hasn’t had cap space to really go after some big fish but the panacea to that issue should have been an investment in youth. Instead, he went after the likes of Aaron Woods, Nathan Brown, Matt Lodge, and kept guys like Sipley, Croker, and Aloiai around the place. I’d have preferred a big clean out.

In saying that, I think we’d still be on the cusp of the 8, but with a brighter future. I don’t think the current squad have the potential you suggest. Every year someone upsets Melbourne from nowhere; it’s a fluke and this year it happened to be us that caught them on an off day. As for Penrith and Brisbane, they were both going through terrible form when we played them. If we lined up against them tomorrow, we’d get flogged. The more accurate representation of Manly circa 25’, are losses to the Knights, Tigers, Eels, and Titans.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Stats can make for interesting conclusions if taken in isolation.

Ivan Cleary had a win ratio of 47% from the 319 NRL games he coached before 2020... a lower win rate than Seibold has currently. Then he won 78% of all games since, taking the Panthers to a Grand final, followed by 4 premierships in a row. His overall win rate is now 58%.

Does it mean he was just an average coach before 2020, or was just he doing the best he could with the more modest squads he had? The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

For the same reason I wouldn't rule out Holbrook based on his record at the Titans... he was replaced with Des who has not done a better job there.

Great post.
However it's also true that there's no guarantee his success rate would have climbed like that if he'd stayed at Tigers or Wahs. Many different factors in success of course, including being in the right place at the right time with the right group of players etc

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

If we lined up against them tomorrow, we’d get flogged.

I agree.
Although if we'd played them in round 1 with our full strength team I'd pick Manly

 

[manlyfan76]

Umm no it won’t mark … the sun stays where it is the earth rotates!

Just sayin’😉

It we are in an ever increasing universe is the sun not moving?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Aaron Woods, Nathan Brown, Matt Lodge, and kept guys like Sipley, Croker, and Aloiai

You, and plenty of others such as @susan make a great point about Manly's recruitment, it's been mediocre.
Not as bad as some suggest though, for example the 2 young props we let go to get Woods for free have done zero, I think they disappeared without trace, whereas Woods was at least able to churn out some minutes in NRL.
Brown and Lodge were other minimum wage players who actually added something on occasion but missed plenty of games with injury. Retaining Croker & Aloia looks dumb but was probably partly due to club or squad culture reasons, and it's hard to predict who will miss the season due to injury.

So I'm not as fussed as others about the age of the recruits, but agree the style is all wrong for modern game. Sipley the best example, a good player, could have had a role even in our 2011 type successful teams but simply not agile enough for today's game. Looks fitter than ever but still a pace off the mark, so releasing him is a smart move.

There's only a small number of coaches that can attract talent and they tend to work at rich clubs. Seibold's fault? Sure but ... may as well say Manly has to be a richer club.

Regardless of who is coach next year I expect we'll start to introduce 2 or 3 speedier forwards with better stamina and agility - probably ones we already have on the books. Sadly (for them) I've got fingers crossed that Aloia and Croker both retire

 

[Wombat64]

What is going to change next year that he hasn’t done his first 3 years,other than DCE? He can’t attract players,young up and coming players are a few years away from first grade,let alone dominating it and he’ll still keep signing old rejects that Moses offers up for him.At the game on Saturday,you could sense in the crowd that people had had enough.The silence after the Dolphins first try was deafening and they only started getting into it once TomT returned to a semblance of form

Yep, agree, that's why it's inevitable that at some point in 2026 he is sacked. Almost at the point of why not do it now? Yeah, the atmosphere at the ground on the weekend was very strange .....

 

[MW66]

If, and it is a big if, Bryan from Newcastle is a solid FG, Hart breaks into FG, Laifi becomes a regular top 17, Zaidas develops enough to be a good/above average 14, Paseka stays injury free, and we sign one more prop/middle of FG quality - then we have some green shoots. I know it is a lot to hope for however 2026 may be a building block for a successful 2027.

 

[Brookie1973]

Yep, agree, that's why it's inevitable that at some point in 2026 he is sacked. Almost at the point of why not do it now? Yeah, the atmosphere at the ground on the weekend was very strange .....

Yes, it will be typically manly to sack him mid season when the best up and coming coaching options are already snapped up by clubs that do their house cleaning in the offseason.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

If, and it is a big if, Bryan from Newcastle is a solid FG, Hart breaks into FG, Laifi becomes a regular top 17, Zaidas develops enough to be a good/above average 14, Paseka stays injury free, and we sign one more prop/middle of FG quality - then we have some green shoots. I know it is a lot to hope for however 2026 may be a building block for a successful 2027.

I think that’ll be the plan , invest in the youngsters and hope we get some success from that idea.

If course not all will work , you can be a gun kid but not take the jump, but the law of averages suggests we will get a few !!

 

[manly al]

Can go either way with journey men getting on a bit but be surprised if any of the grouping of maybe promising but still unproven younger forwards available out there in recent times would have been able to match for instance , the good level and consistent input from T K O this season .
Same could have applied to Brown last season before his unhelpful run with injuries
Woods and Lodge were very much on the minimum wage category so not sure if they could be classified as totally bad options either in the circumstances
Seemed to be some hopes with Patolo to come on well and to a lesser extend James , hasn ]t yet or did eventuate but again , had to pick winners in the majority of cases
If Alioia could have overcome his injury woes and got back to playing solid footy , again maybe not the worst option to extent but doubt if that reported 500 K for 3 years was warranted , Croker probably on more realistic terms
Navale and Hart look like as good as any prospects out there and with Sipley moving on and Alioia 's likely medical retirement , sure that the club is looking around for some reasonable level talent to replace them and compatible with more up to date playing trends
Understand some of the criticism at maybe not trying to get in more younger type forward prospects with reasonable mobility but always different perspectives to that notion as well when the big picture is taken into account

 

[manly al]

If, and it is a big if, Bryan from Newcastle is a solid FG, Hart breaks into FG, Laifi becomes a regular top 17, Zaidas develops enough to be a good/above average 14, Paseka stays injury free, and we sign one more prop/middle of FG quality - then we have some green shoots. I know it is a lot to hope for however 2026 may be a building block for a successful 2027.

Yeah , i would go along with that hopeful scenario and that other young prop now playing or on the bench for the N S W cup side ideally to progress as well