[Resurrected] SACK Des Hasler!!

[NREagle]

2021 was on the back of a super star player in white hot form. Put it this way, take him out of the team last year, and what happens ? Who knows , maybe we'd be in the same position , and I agree, it was a very refreshing year, so much so that many thought the only way was up.

Now, what happens when a star player dominates in the league ? The opposition adapt and combat that (well, the good teams do). And that's what happened.

First 7 games this season (WITH Tom) we won 3 at 40 odd percent.

I'm unsure how talking about Des stats since he returned to us (4 years) is irrelevant because we were one game away from a preliminary final last season ? And how your comment is appropriate, but mine apparently fits an agenda.

Nope, we probably won't agree. Regardless of any spin, we are on struggle street right now as a club.

We were also playing as a TEAM in 2021. Not so much this year.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

And all are more successful except Fitzgibbon who is in his first year.
Your point leads to the conclusion that no coach can ever be successful at Manly.
May as well shut up shop now b

You are again missing the point by a country mile. None of the great list have ever coached or would coach MANLY..... Manly as a club is a basket case. has been since the Super League war. You put our current plight down to the current coach and support staff, obviously?

Look if there is a more qualified coach with a better chance of turning the asylum around please hire them tomorrow..... wait..... tumbleweed crosses...... check watch....... another tumbleweed...... scratch arse..... check tiktok...... scratch.......

But there isn't. there is not one available coach available that would
a. come here or
b. guarantee a better outcome than what we have now so why throw the baby out with the bath water?

I just don't get you and others who post things like 'WE ARE AT OUR LOWEST POINT' or 'WORSE THAN THE TIGERS' etc etc etc.....

We are not the worst in the league by a long shot. we are not going to get a wooden spoon anytime soon. we have the ability to beat anyone in the comp. we will bounce back.

If the club would just stop trying to self-implode and all drive in the one direction we have the coach and players to win and win big.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

2021 was on the back of a super star player in white hot form. Put it this way, take him out of the team last year, and what happens ? Who knows , maybe we'd be in the same position , and I agree, it was a very refreshing year, so much so that many thought the only way was up.

Now, what happens when a star player dominates in the league ? The opposition adapt and combat that (well, the good teams do). And that's what happened.

First 7 games this season (WITH Tom) we won 3 at 40 odd percent.

I'm unsure how talking about Des stats since he returned to us (4 years) is irrelevant because we were one game away from a preliminary final last season ? And how your comment is appropriate, but mine apparently fits an agenda.

Nope, we probably won't agree. Regardless of any spin, we are on struggle street right now as a club.

up until rainbow gate were we not looking good? after turbo went down it took an amount of time to find our feet and we were starting to look really good. we could have gone ok this year had we not imploded from the inside and that's not Des's fault.

 

[Budgie]

I just don't get you and others who post things like 'WE ARE AT OUR LOWEST POINT' or 'WORSE THAN THE TIGERS' etc etc etc.....

Never said either of the above (i will admit to 'deep deep doo doo') and not sure how you, all the way across the world, would have the first clue about available coaches and the club's ability to negotiate.
Sometimes you just make things up.

 

[CRPSI eagle]

Time to move him on, brain dead.
Refuses to offer younger lads an opportunity.
Sick to death of Harper and Parker, two worst centres in the league.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Never said either of the above (i will admit to 'deep deep doo doo') and not sure how you, all the way across the world, would have the first clue about available coaches and the club's ability to negotiate.
Sometimes you just make things up.

here we go. let's get punchy.

I was careful to write ' you and others post things LIKE' . Like is the operative word here.

so am I to take that you have inside information because you live in the area? Or do you work for the club? because if you use the same information portals as the rest of us mere mortals then we should have the same information.

Not sure I've made anything up have I? please name the so-called top coaches you allude to.

🙂

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Time to move him on, brain dead.
Refuses to offer younger lads an opportunity.
Sick to death of Harper and Parker, two worst centres in the league.

of which magic war chest would you get the money to buy better when most of our cap is spoken for?

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

A coach who's allowed his playing roster to fracture

Sorry MOD. in my reply earlier i misread your post and totally missed this line.

How can you say DES has allowed his playing group to fracture? the Owners and management are 100% guilty of that and its Des that's trying to keep it together. you put any of those managers listed into the very same circumstances and the same would happen.

 

[JenEagle]

It would have been interesting to know who made the decision to extend DCE'S contract. He still had almost 2years to run at that stage and I would have thought it more prudent to wait and see. In my eyes it was another strange decision they may come back to bite us over the next few years.

Dolphins were looking at him and we had just gone top 4 last year and he was in sublime form early in the season. Remember raiders game.

 

[JenEagle]

I just dont see how you can type some of this stuff and not fall over laughing.

what happened in 2021 FFS. we made the prelim final. 80 min from a GF. we played to the rules in play at the time and went bloody well.

Im sure you or others will harp back to the 'havent beaten a top 4 side yada yada' but I wouldn't swap 2021 for beating every one of those top 4 sides and finishing 8th .

You have the views that serve your agenda and I have mine. we will never see eye to eye and that's fine too.

Also 2019.
We could have gone to the GF.
That Jake sin bin complete farce of a call cost us the game against souths. We had beaten the raiders twice that year already in the next game.

Des has got the runs on the board and deserves a chance to turn this around.

 

[Ryan]

Sorry MOD. in my reply earlier i misread your post and totally missed this line.

How can you say DES has allowed his playing group to fracture? the Owners and management are 100% guilty of that and its Des that's trying to keep it together. you put any of those managers listed into the very same circumstances and the same would happen.

I get what you're saying. You're very passionate about the club, that's for sure. Maybe you're right, and there is no other coach that would be able to stop the rot either.

I think I'm just devastated about the current situation (on and off the field) and am desperate for even the slightest bit of optimism, or something to cling onto hope wise.

Something to look forward to next season, ya know. Just feels there's very little of that right now, is all.

 

[Damien2812]

Moving Hasler on could be the most stupid move at the moment. Give him the right support staff and let's use some money "Penn" to give him more assistance. The question I always ask the people who want him gone is who could possibly take over? Who could handle management while running the football department at the same time?

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

I get what you're saying. You're very passionate about the club, that's for sure. Maybe you're right, and there is no other coach that would be able to stop the rot either.

I think I'm just devastated about the current situation (on and off the field) and am desperate for even the slightest bit of optimism, or something to cling onto hope wise.

Something to look forward to next season, ya know. Just feels there's very little of that right now, is all.

we are all passionate in our own way I guess. Believe me, I'm not a DES is our only option guy. I'm all for giving him another season yes.just want to see if he turn it around like 2021. if it works then great if it doesn't then his time will have come.

 

[madmax]

we are all passionate in our own way I guess. Believe me, I'm not a DES is our only option guy. I'm all for giving him another season yes.just want to see if he turn it around like 2021. if it works then great if it doesn't then his time will have come.

I'd be most excited if the club announced Glen Stewart & Cliffy as Des's new assistants!!! Get Spud Carrol involved in forwards training & Brett to continue working with the backs. Des, Gifty, Cliffy, Spud & the Prince would turn this current crop into something special!

 

[globaleagle]

@Mark from Brisbane don't you usually do a thread at the start of each year with where we think the club will finish? Did you do it this year? I can't find it.

It's in the collection of pinned / stickied threads. Up there...towards the top of the page. 🙂

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

I'd be most excited if the club announced Glen Stewart & Cliffy as Des's new assistants!!! Get Spud Carrol involved in forwards training & Brett to continue working with the backs. Des, Gifty, Cliffy, Spud & the Prince would turn this current crop into something special!

Will never happen but I would love the walker brothers to come in as assistants and take over the attack and D under Des for say 18 months before being given a chance.

They are too green to get a head coaching job straight up in the NRL but 12 to 18 months on a handover contract could be pretty awesome.

The walkers have a link to manly at least and perhaps their modern outlook could work with Des's experience and knowledge. best of both worlds.

 

[Bearfax]

On what stats are you basing this assumption of him being one of the best 2 or 3 halves in the comp ??

Try assists ?? there are 7 halves ahead of him in that stat

Try Contributions ?? he isn't in top 20. (Foz is)

Total Try Involvements ?? - once again not in top 20 for league. (Foz is)

Line Break Assists ?? - not in top 20. (Foz is)

His personal line break tally is equal 3rd with 3 other halves but well behind Hughes and Moses

For forced drop outs he is 3rd in class. Hunt has more 40/20's , Cleary has same amount but has played 66% of number of games.

Best defensive half in the comp ?? Nope. I posted earlier his try cause and line break cause stats. He is in top 10 of NRL for both. But number 1 for halfbacks for both those stats. His missed tackle count and tackle efficiency are pretty good though compared to peers. Not number one, but solid

He is no hope of displacing Cleary for the Australian number 7 for any test matches that matter. They may take him on the World Cup tour to play some pool games based on SOO reputation only.

He won't poll in top 10 for Dally M and I suspect there will be a few half backs ahead of him in the tally as usual. I keep hearing how he is the best half in the comp but when was last time he won Dally M halfback of the year ?

Nothing personal Bear, but so many people defend him here by just saying "he's the best half in the comp" or he's "the incumbent Australian half" like it's a given truth. On current form he is neither, and the stats and our results show that. He's not the worst half getting around I'll give you that, but there are at least 3 or 4 ahead of him currently, and quite comfortably.

Extending him was premature and a mistake I feel. Puts any chance of a succession plan back another 2 or 3 years. He is not totally to blame for our efforts this season, but given he is highest paid, number one play maker, marquee player and Captain he should get held to a slightly higher standard in my book. He has been poor since we lost Tommy, you could count his good games on one hand. All I want is some consistency and leadership, of which he has been showing neither in my opinion.

I take some of your points and stats can be interpreted several ways. In 2021 Turbo and DCE were streets ahead of anyone else in the team and elsewhere in those same stats you are referring to. But then Manly were functioning effectively.

This year without Turbo its all on DCE's shoulders, not Forans. Foran is performing well and consistently, but its DCE who is often the difference between winning and losing. The try assists etc is an easy one to speak of in isolation compared to Cleary this year because they are scoring a lot more tries than Manly this year. That's not DCE's fault, its the fault of the team as a whole. I've already indicated DCE is statistically recorded as the best defensive half and kicker (check the figures).

Whether Cleary gets the Kangaroo jumper or not (and much of that will be because he is in a winning side...most selections work that way), point is DCE will be either No 1 or 2 according to most judges one reads. Maybe Manly could have tried Humphries earlier or maybe kept Cust who is apparently doing well in England. But I very much doubt that they would have the range of skills at this stage DCE has and been match winners.

So, who else is there? You are I are side line judges. The professionals who make the decisions make it quite clear DCE is top level. What we think is just personal conjecture. I try my best to base my comments less on my perception and more on stats read effectively and what those in the know in the game are saying. But then my career required me to step back from looking only at how I perceive issues and verify as best I can.

 

[Woodsie]

Not sure I've made anything up have I? please name the so-called top coaches you allude to.

So, your response to not knowing who is out there to coach ... is ..

To do nothing and stick with the same set up that has seen us fall off the map.

If this was Dessie's 2nd year, or even 3rd year ... I would agree ... but he is going into his 5th year and we are in worse shape than when he took over ..

Mate, even Daffy Duck coaching would get even money to finish at least finish 11th ...

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

So, your response to not knowing who is out there to coach ... is ..

To do nothing and stick with the same set up that has seen us fall off the map.

If this was Dessie's 2nd year, or even 3rd year ... I would agree ... but he is going into his 5th year and we are in worse shape than when he took over ..

Mate, even Daffy Duck coaching would get even money to finish at least finish 11th ...

One of the posters on this thread listed every available coach at the moment. They kindly put a link in one of my posts to it.

The list is a pretty poor one. Guys that have been fired after multiple poor campaigns. Guys with no runs on the board. Guys that would be fine as an assistant but not much else. Guys that have never made the top 8....

Is that whonyou want right now?

How can you say we are in worse shape after 4 years than Tbaz and fighting for the spoon?

We went to a semi final and a preliminary final. We played some of the best footy I've ever seen in 2021. We have been without Tommy all of 2022. In 2019 without Tommy the side was 10 min from another preliminary final bar the Jake binning.

This year has been tough. We played some tough top 4 footy in the middle rounds. Had we not faded out twice with big leads against top 4 sides we could still be in this.

Finally if any of you really blame Des for the fractured side we currently have then that says more about your desire for change than truth.

The bloke is trying to fix this **** show.

I'm my opinion we are no where near worse than when he took over.

 

[Cameron]

One of the posters on this thread listed every available coach at the moment. They kindly put a link in one of my posts to it.

The list is a pretty poor one. Guys that have been fired after multiple poor campaigns. Guys with no runs on the board. Guys that would be fine as an assistant but not much else. Guys that have never made the top 8....

Is that whonyou want right now?

How can you say we are in worse shape after 4 years than Tbaz and fighting for the spoon?

We went to a semi final and a preliminary final. We played some of the best footy I've ever seen in 2021. We have been without Tommy all of 2022. In 2019 without Tommy the side was 10 min from another preliminary final bar the Jake binning.

This year has been tough. We played some tough top 4 footy in the middle rounds. Had we not faded out twice with big leads against top 4 sides we could still be in this.

Finally if any of you really blame Des for the fractured side we currently have then that says more about your desire for change than truth.

The bloke is trying to fix this **** show.

I'm my opinion we are no where near worse than when he took over.

Well said. We finished second last in 2018 under barrett.