[Resurrected] SACK Des Hasler!!

[ManEagle]

Maybe you're right. But in my opinion he puts his all into his game and the figures show how valuable he is. OK he makes mistakes and isnt a great ball player. But he is one player who can turn a game and his kicking game and defense is second to none among halves. But yes maybe the captaincy is just too much extra to handle

I'm not questioning his commitment nor his ability to turn a game when he is on, to me he is like the kid you see in a family,and think he should have been an only child.
I'm not saying he's a selfish player but he just doesn't inspire his team mates when the chips are down.
Take the captaincy off him and it might free him up, but it might do the opposite too.

 

[Bearfax]

I'm not questioning his commitment nor his ability to turn a game when he is on, to me he is like the kid you see in a family,and think he should have been an only child.
I'm not saying he's a selfish player but he just doesn't inspire his team mates when the chips are down.
Take the captaincy off him and it might free him up, but it might do the opposite too.

And what is the rest of the team doing? If they are relying just on DCE as they did with Turbo, then maybe therein lies the problem.

 

[ManEagle]

And what is the rest of the team doing? If they are relying just on DCE as they did with Turbo, then maybe therein lies the problem.

Not one single player is being singled out performance wise, but have a look at them behind the posts, some of them aren't even bothering to listen to him,and that's when he decides to actually say something, then he tries a bit to hard and whatever play fails and it compounds the problem he has.
The players just don't appear to respect his position.

I could be way off the mark, it just looks like he has lost the group.

 

[Darknstormy]

I want des gone but if des was to be given 1 more chance to prove himself he needs to part with the old ways and move forward starting with replacing donny and his staff..release his yes sir assistants and hire a better more experienced coaching and physio staff

 

[Wombat64]

I want des gone but if des was to be given 1 more chance to prove himself he needs to part with the old ways and move forward starting with replacing donny and his staff..release his yes sir assistants and hire a better more experienced coaching and physio staff

Des only listens to Des. Des does what Des want. His way or no way. Stubborn bugger

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

I don’t like the arrogant way Des behaves during interviews. Not wanting to answer probing questions is one thing but behaving like an aggressive grump Bennett style is no good for the game. If he treats some of the playing group like this then I wouldn’t be surprised if players resented it.

Its pretty clear he's one man for the cameras and one man for the team. If you haven't picked that up in his almost 20years as a head coach I'd say you probably sit in the get Des out camp don't you?

 

[Wombat64]

Watching most of the other games the last few weeks at the moment we are CLEARLY the worst team in the comp. It isn't even close. Other teams with nothing to play for are at least putting in..... we aren't and that's on Des, DCE, the players, the owners and management.

Top to bottom. We're ****ed.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

A coach who's made the final twice in 5 years. A coach who's allowed his playing roster to fracture (something Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson & I say now Fitzgibbon) would NEVER allow.

How subjective!

Bellamy Is a one team one town coach who has had a stable (if not cheating) management for close to 20 years. He is given full autonomy to run the football part of the club.

Bennett leaves destruction where ever he goes and then leaves. Grumpy and the boss 100%. No Ceo tells him what to do. They just seem grateful he turned up.

Robinson - please..... Great coach but uncle nick and money has more to do with his success than much else.

Fitzgibbon??? Hes less than a season into coaching. He was handed a decent roster and has never had to battery down the hatches. How you can even add him to the list is astounding.

None of the above have ever had to deal with the ****e Des has been dealt at manly. Sure Bellamy had cheat gate but he washed his hands of that and blamed the management when he knew what was going on.

 

[HK_Eagle]

I love watching our very own WWE superstar, Derelict Hustler, at the pressers after each game.

 

[Ryan]

How subjective!

Bellamy Is a one team one town coach who has had a stable (if not cheating) management for close to 20 years. He is given full autonomy to run the football part of the club.

Bennett leaves destruction where ever he goes and then leaves. Grumpy and the boss 100%. No Ceo tells him what to do. They just seem grateful he turned up.

Robinson - please..... Great coach but uncle nick and money has more to do with his success than much else.

Fitzgibbon??? Hes less than a season into coaching. He was handed a decent roster and has never had to battery down the hatches. How you can even add him to the list is astounding.

None of the above have ever had to deal with the ****e Des has been dealt at manly. Sure Bellamy had cheat gate but he washed his hands of that and blamed the management when he knew what was going on.

Mate, that's just more excuses. My subjectivity starts and finishes with not only wins and losses, but improvement on and off the field (i.e. - hope).

Let's simplify things: What's the club proactively done in the past 18 months to improve on and off the field, and what was the result of that improvement? Honestly interested to know your thought's, if we then include subjectivity?

 

[Wombat64]

Anyone watching the Titans play with 12 men? We are a JOKE.

 

[HK_Eagle]

Anyone watching the Titans play with 12 men? We are a JOKE.

I agree with Ennis too, Foz could really be a crucial piece to unlock these Tits.

 

[Wombat64]

@Mark from Brisbane don't you usually do a thread at the start of each year with where we think the club will finish? Did you do it this year? I can't find it.

 

[Bearfax]

Not one single player is being singled out performance wise, but have a look at them behind the posts, some of them aren't even bothering to listen to him,and that's when he decides to actually say something, then he tries a bit to hard and whatever play fails and it compounds the problem he has.
The players just don't appear to respect his position.

I could be way off the mark, it just looks like he has lost the group.

Point taken Magic. And as I alluded to, maybe the captaincy could be passed to another. But that is not a reflection of his play, its a reflection of his captaincy and maybe the weight is too heavy for him

 

[Budgie]

How subjective!

Bellamy Is a one team one town coach who has had a stable (if not cheating) management for close to 20 years. He is given full autonomy to run the football part of the club.

Bennett leaves destruction where ever he goes and then leaves. Grumpy and the boss 100%. No Ceo tells him what to do. They just seem grateful he turned up.

Robinson - please..... Great coach but uncle nick and money has more to do with his success than much else.

Fitzgibbon??? Hes less than a season into coaching. He was handed a decent roster and has never had to battery down the hatches. How you can even add him to the list is astounding.

None of the above have ever had to deal with the ****e Des has been dealt at manly. Sure Bellamy had cheat gate but he washed his hands of that and blamed the management when he knew what was going on.

And all are more successful except Fitzgibbon who is in his first year.
Your point leads to the conclusion that no coach can ever be successful at Manly.
May as well shut up shop now b

 

[mickqld]

Mate, that's just more excuses. My subjectivity starts and finishes with not only wins and losses, but improvement on and off the field (i.e. - hope).

Let's simplify things: What's the club proactively done in the past 18 months to improve on and off the field, and what was the result of that improvement? Honestly interested to know your thought's, if we then include subjectivity?

At least someone in the media is making some noise about it all. Dobbo (yeah I know he's a knob) on MMM calling for Des head. Says the issue can't be resolved without a major change. We cannot seriously just wander off into the summer and think this will all blow over and everything will be sweet in 2023 with the same coach, same polarising captain and same plodding forwards half of which don't want to be here or play under a self serving captain.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Mate, that's just more excuses. My subjectivity starts and finishes with not only wins and losses, but improvement on and off the field (i.e. - hope).

Let's simplify things: What's the club proactively done in the past 18 months to improve on and off the field, and what was the result of that improvement? Honestly interested to know your thought's, if we then include subjectivity?

I just dont see how you can type some of this stuff and not fall over laughing.

what happened in 2021 FFS. we made the prelim final. 80 min from a GF. we played to the rules in play at the time and went bloody well.

Im sure you or others will harp back to the 'havent beaten a top 4 side yada yada' but I wouldn't swap 2021 for beating every one of those top 4 sides and finishing 8th .

You have the views that serve your agenda and I have mine. we will never see eye to eye and that's fine too.

 

[Chip and Chase]

DCE was extended because he is one of the two or three best halves in the comp. That's not just based on impressions, that's based on stats and the fact that he is the QLD SOO half and its a toss up with Cleary for the test matches coming up, despite Manly's poor form. The Supercoach measures also consistently have him high. It may be that from many perspectives that he is somehow responsible for Manly's fall. Best defensive half in the comp. Best kicker in the comp. Maybe he's not the overall ball player some want but without him, I suspect Manly, without Turbo would have struggled to avoid the spoon. Manly's problems are much more complex than how we perceive a single player.

On what stats are you basing this assumption of him being one of the best 2 or 3 halves in the comp ??

Try assists ?? there are 7 halves ahead of him in that stat

Try Contributions ?? he isn't in top 20. (Foz is)

Total Try Involvements ?? - once again not in top 20 for league. (Foz is)

Line Break Assists ?? - not in top 20. (Foz is)

His personal line break tally is equal 3rd with 3 other halves but well behind Hughes and Moses

For forced drop outs he is 3rd in class. Hunt has more 40/20's , Cleary has same amount but has played 66% of number of games.

Best defensive half in the comp ?? Nope. I posted earlier his try cause and line break cause stats. He is in top 10 of NRL for both. But number 1 for halfbacks for both those stats. His missed tackle count and tackle efficiency are pretty good though compared to peers. Not number one, but solid

He is no hope of displacing Cleary for the Australian number 7 for any test matches that matter. They may take him on the World Cup tour to play some pool games based on SOO reputation only.

He won't poll in top 10 for Dally M and I suspect there will be a few half backs ahead of him in the tally as usual. I keep hearing how he is the best half in the comp but when was last time he won Dally M halfback of the year ?

Nothing personal Bear, but so many people defend him here by just saying "he's the best half in the comp" or he's "the incumbent Australian half" like it's a given truth. On current form he is neither, and the stats and our results show that. He's not the worst half getting around I'll give you that, but there are at least 3 or 4 ahead of him currently, and quite comfortably.

Extending him was premature and a mistake I feel. Puts any chance of a succession plan back another 2 or 3 years. He is not totally to blame for our efforts this season, but given he is highest paid, number one play maker, marquee player and Captain he should get held to a slightly higher standard in my book. He has been poor since we lost Tommy, you could count his good games on one hand. All I want is some consistency and leadership, of which he has been showing neither in my opinion.

 

[Ryan]

I just dont see how you can type some of this stuff and not fall over laughing.

what happened in 2021 FFS. we made the prelim final. 80 min from a GF. we played to the rules in play at the time and went bloody well.

Im sure you or others will harp back to the 'havent beaten a top 4 side yada yada' but I wouldn't swap 2021 for beating every one of those top 4 sides and finishing 8th .

You have the views that serve your agenda and I have mine. we will never see eye to eye and that's fine too.

2021 was on the back of a super star player in white hot form. Put it this way, take him out of the team last year, and what happens ? Who knows , maybe we'd be in the same position , and I agree, it was a very refreshing year, so much so that many thought the only way was up.

Now, what happens when a star player dominates in the league ? The opposition adapt and combat that (well, the good teams do). And that's what happened.

First 7 games this season (WITH Tom) we won 3 at 40 odd percent.

I'm unsure how talking about Des stats since he returned to us (4 years) is irrelevant because we were one game away from a preliminary final last season ? And how your comment is appropriate, but mine apparently fits an agenda.

Nope, we probably won't agree. Regardless of any spin, we are on struggle street right now as a club.

 

[Jerry1]

The team is only as good as who we put on the paddock each week. It's hardly Hasler's fault that we don't have a war chest for new players or even how much we pay the people who take the bulk of the cap.

However he is responsible for getting the best out of the flogs we are fielding. I'm sure they can do better than the recent scoreboards have shown. Really we have to be better than the last couple of results have show. The current batch of players & coach should be embarrassed by what they are dishing up for fans.