Geez I thought turbo did ok for the blues and the kangaroos.
Must be a Freddy and Mal thing...
Must be a Freddy and Mal thing...
Realistically is 2019 a Top 8 Shot ??
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Bearfax
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Good points.. But I guess the problem we have is that we have had two of the all time best full backs playing for us in the past in Eadie and Brett Stewart, and this naturally biases our perspective..
In my opinion, though Turbo has some areas he need to improve, eg defence, passing, positioning, he is in my opinion at this stage the third best full back I have seen in Manly colours since I started watching in 1965-6. Sure he doesn't have the all round competence of Ridge for example. But though he is slightly slower than Stewart and not as powerful as Eadie, he is much stronger than Stewart and much faster than Eadie.
Eadie and Stewart, our premier full backs were no twinkle toes. Both relied on good positioning and running fast hard lines with some swerving, Stewart using his sheer speed, Eadie his power. Neither were Gibbs/Blake twinkle toes types.
Turbo reminds me of a young Inglis, fast and strong. He has the capacity to run good lines and position himself well, especially with his brother, but this seemed lost last year. But those skills are developed in constant training as must have happened with Lyons and Menzies. Those types of skills need a good coach to use almost military type training to make such things seem natural. This was seriously lacking with Barrett's coaching. Hasler uses those techniques often. You know yourself, the difference between an average team and a good team, is strategy and timing and every player needs to understand their role. Turbo will improve under Hasler
Turbo's big improvement will come from natural maturity ... his listed problems haven't been physical .... they have been trying too hard , running himself into the ground and throwing wild hail Mary passes .... he tried to do too much ...
Playing SOO and for Australia last year at wing and centre will have taught him to do his job and trust and let others do theirs .. that plus just another years experience will naturally make him a more complete footballer .... he is coming into this year as a veteran ... and that growth in status will be evident .....
Playing SOO and for Australia last year at wing and centre will have taught him to do his job and trust and let others do theirs .. that plus just another years experience will naturally make him a more complete footballer .... he is coming into this year as a veteran ... and that growth in status will be evident .....
This is a gee up surly.
Over the last 2-3 years I've seen a boy become a man. There isn't too many players I could name that attracts so much attention from opposition at still such a young age.
At 22 was NSW best playing from the wing in his 1st series. Backs are in there prime around 27-28 so I think you have left your self wide open here.
I know it's your opinion that you don't see any more improvement in him but personally I find that outrageous to say the least.
He is still growing and learning about his body. I've seen him devolope a passing game we didn't know him for and constant attacking threat with ball in hand.
Yes he has handling errors in his game and needs to organise more from the back but he will grow. Snake is back at Brookie to lend some guidance for his development in these areas.
Tom will be one of the best local juniors we have ever produced imo and super excited to see his growth under the mad professor.
Technical Coach
Bencher
I never said there is no improvement in Tom, i just don't see him having the rounded game or skillset to improve noticeably beyond the maturity aspects of his game.
He hasn't become a man yet, too often his attitude fluctuated last year, Origin did help in this regard though.
Passing will improve that is for sure, will flourish more behind more structured plays so he doesn't have to think off the cuff as much---which he is not all that good at.
Tom is not going to suddenly develop footwork and a change of speed/direction, his line running will improve under Hasler.
I see improvements but they will only be noticeable behind a good performing squad---yes this is generally the case for most players to a fair degree but i just don't see Tom ever being top two or three fullback in the competition for long sustained periods.
cherry_poppins
Bencher
Swap Parker with Taufua unless he learns to catch
brad
First Grader
Swap them both .
Ryan
Journey Man
Shaun Lane, Tom Trbojevic, Kelepi Tanginoa, Taniela Paseka are waving at you.
Fluffy
Journey Man
we came 6th with over a million on the sideline all year for Stewart and Matai.
If Des cannot beat that he has failed
Disagree with all but Lane. AFB might of improved slightly.
Geez, Tom went backwards at club level, and rapidly.
The other pair of household names you mention wouldn't play first grade at most other clubs at this stage of their careers. Might as well add Parker and Kelly.
highlandeagle
Where eagles soar
From 6th to 15th the next season without Stewart and Matai on the books shows that 2017 was a fluke validated by the meek finals exit. 2018 was a complete Barrett debacle, poor game plans, poor man management and blatant self interest. Barrett is a dud personified. There's no pressure on Hasler except from the pro Barrett cheer girls!
Top 8 yeah alot has to go right with injuries for that to happen we have no depth.
We get gased very early with our large pack if possession does not go our way and our defence goes wayward.
Hoping albert hopoate plays some nrl he going to be special talent. I be happy with 8th. I expect us to be most active in player market for season 2020.
We get gased very early with our large pack if possession does not go our way and our defence goes wayward.
Hoping albert hopoate plays some nrl he going to be special talent. I be happy with 8th. I expect us to be most active in player market for season 2020.
My info says Des has 400 k up his sleeve fir this year and once it sajary cap reduced cap is lifted fir 20 we are in an excellent position
Des and his team of Mono, Matty B, Donny and Snake will have us both physically and mentally prepared
Don’t be surprised if another is listed to help in a ortvtume capacity
The inclusion of our young guns into the manly way added to the growth and maturing mindset from last years players will give us both a squad and environment to succeed
I agree injuries are the X factor but don’t underestimate some of our kids to step up when we have short term gaps
They may not be ready to sustain a regular spot each week but their raw talent is such that they could step up and be ready and Des is a master at getting these guys ready in short bursts
My only real concern is whether Walker plays or not
If he does, and I said this in another thread ,I will tip him to be made a part of the leadership team at manly and have the best year of his career and push us into the 4
The team will feed of our crowds and passionate support
It’s a must that we fill Brookvale each game to help the boys out
Go manly
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Des and his team of Mono, Matty B, Donny and Snake will have us both physically and mentally prepared
Don’t be surprised if another is listed to help in a ortvtume capacity
The inclusion of our young guns into the manly way added to the growth and maturing mindset from last years players will give us both a squad and environment to succeed
I agree injuries are the X factor but don’t underestimate some of our kids to step up when we have short term gaps
They may not be ready to sustain a regular spot each week but their raw talent is such that they could step up and be ready and Des is a master at getting these guys ready in short bursts
My only real concern is whether Walker plays or not
If he does, and I said this in another thread ,I will tip him to be made a part of the leadership team at manly and have the best year of his career and push us into the 4
The team will feed of our crowds and passionate support
It’s a must that we fill Brookvale each game to help the boys out
Go manly
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Walter Perolta
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Paseka was rubbish but the rest no doubt.
Jake turbo as well
Afb
Marty taupau
Api
Barrett was a good coach until his game plan was worked out then he couldn't come up with something new. Dud buys like trent hodkinson and letting blake green go killed us. Green was so good for us he really led the team around the park
Walter Perolta
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I really can’t see us been even close to the finals this year TB has left us in a deeper mess than most people know.
Think at best 9th-12th if a few key players get injuries we just don’t have the depth to cover them.
2020 with a full cap, weak players let go , plus both Anderson and Funa both having some first grade experience late in 2019 I fully expect us to really be a serious chance to make the finals in 2020.
Think at best 9th-12th if a few key players get injuries we just don’t have the depth to cover them.
2020 with a full cap, weak players let go , plus both Anderson and Funa both having some first grade experience late in 2019 I fully expect us to really be a serious chance to make the finals in 2020.
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Even if he is proven to be not guilty in his court case I just don’t see him in our long term plans.
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