Poll added - Sea Eagles Everyone in League jersey

[47MVEagle]

What is your point

That sport has ALWAYS been about breaking down barriers between cultures, beliefs, religions, etc.

 

[fLIP]

Mate ... the same bruhaha would have happened at all the other 15 clubs ... none would be different to Manly ...

Penrith would be running on their under 12's

 

[Technical Coach]

They can hold their beliefs AND choose whether they want to work for an employer that has inclusively as one of its pre-eminent values... no one is forcing them to believe or do anything they don't want to...
But they cannot pick and choose WHEN they will work for their employer...
Much like Qantas employees - do you think none of them are Christian?

How many workplaces "force you to wear the rainbow colours" to have employment for the day, what's expected(and a condition of employment) is showing respect to every human being in the workplace.

 

[Volley]

Penrith would be running on their under 12's

Yeah, and they’d still beat the Titans or Knights.

 

[Showbagz]

Mate ... the same bruhaha would have happened at all the other 15 clubs ... none would be different to Manly ...

Probably, but this is the brush we are tarred with now. Ain't no coming back from this sort of thing until the 7 are gone. And as the news have now roped in youngsters qho are refusing to play, this is gonna haunt us for a while.

Anytime inclusiveness or pride gets put around league circles, rightly or wrongly, there will be stories of how intolerant half the manly side is, I know it isn't half, but they will exaggerate the numbers as the youngsters who are refusing are uncounted so it will allow them wiggle room.

Won't be surprised if a few sponsors don't renew. Don't think they will drop us, but definitely will be rethinking their stance. The won't want to be tarred by association. These sort of things stick, even if the club was aiming for the opposite.

 

[40 nil]

They can hold their beliefs AND choose whether they want to work for an employer that has inclusively as one of its pre-eminent values... no one is forcing them to believe or do anything they don't want to...
But they cannot pick and choose WHEN they will work for their employer...

IMO, the whole problem has arisen because of insufficient consultation. If this had been discussed some weeks ago, there would have the opportunity for proper dialogue between all parties, including player leaders like DCE, Foran, Jake & Turbo. This could have produced a much healthier result.

As Des emphatically said in his interview, the club stuffed up. The Islander players have been backed into a corner with no notice of the Pride jersey till yesterday. I assume the leadership role may been taken by Aloiai or another more senior player & the younger players have followed suit.

Islanders have a more traditional family structure and they act less for themselves than typical Australians. Afaik, they are guided by extended family structures where elders are listened to, unlike in typical Australian families. In other words, it is much more difficult for them to make decisions without considering their families & wider community.

NRL clubs can't ignore these cultural differences due to the huge proportion of Islander players in the NRL (45% & increasing). IMO, just because these players at this point in time don't wish to wear a Pride jersey doesn't necessarily make them homophobic (dislike of homosexuals) as there are many factors conditioning their decision.

 

[Technical Coach]

That sport has ALWAYS been about breaking down barriers between cultures, beliefs, religions, etc.

So what does that have to do with wearing pride jerseys when Sport itself is already mending ways in it's own respectful manner.

 

[frank stokes]

IMO, the whole problem has arisen because of insufficient consultation. If this had been discussed some weeks ago, there would have the opportunity for proper dialogue between all parties, including player leaders like DCE, Foran, Jake & Turbo. This could have produced a much healthier result.

As Des emphatically said in his interview, the club stuffed up. The Islander players have been backed into a corner with no notice of the Pride jersey till yesterday. I assume the leadership role may been taken by Aloiai or another more senior player & the younger players have followed suit.

Islanders have a more traditional family structure and they act less for themselves than typical Australians. Afaik, they are guided by extended family structures where elders are listened to, unlike in typical Australian families. In other words, it is much more difficult for them to make decisions without considering their families & wider community.

NRL clubs can't ignore these cultural differences due to the huge proportion of Islander players in the NRL (45% & increasing). IMO, just because these players at this point in time don't wish to wear a Pride jersey doesn't necessarily make them homophobic (dislike of homosexuals) as there are many factors conditioning their decision.

I agree with all of that but you can disagree with the values of your employer and still show up to work... imo these blokes are entitled pr*cks that have let their team down

 

[47MVEagle]

So what does that have to do with wearing pride jerseys when Sport itself is already mending ways in it's own respectful manner.

You heard of question marks, champ?

Your statement is wrong - the example of Ian Roberts being the only gay player in the history of Australian rugby league who came out & the reaction of the 7 players (& more) refusing to play illustrates that.

 

[47MVEagle]

IMO, the whole problem has arisen because of insufficient consultation. If this had been discussed some weeks ago, there would have the opportunity for proper dialogue between all parties, including player leaders like DCE, Foran, Jake & Turbo. This could have produced a much healthier result.

As Des emphatically said in his interview, the club stuffed up. The Islander players have been backed into a corner with no notice of the Pride jersey till yesterday. I assume the leadership role may been taken by Aloiai or another more senior player & the younger players have followed suit.

Islanders have a more traditional family structure and they act less for themselves than typical Australians. Afaik, they are guided by extended family structures where elders are listened to, unlike in typical Australian families. In other words, it is much more difficult for them to make decisions without considering their families & wider community.

NRL clubs can't ignore these cultural differences due to the huge proportion of Islander players in the NRL (45% & increasing). IMO, just because these players at this point in time don't wish to wear a Pride jersey doesn't necessarily make them homophobic (dislike of homosexuals) as there are many factors conditioning their decision.

What about the role of Fa'afafine in Samoan families & Fakaleiti in Tongan families?

 

[Technical Coach]

I think the players would be fine if the jersey said something along the lines of "inclusion for all" with it's own "symbol or logo".

The rainbow colours are specific, political and a sly subtle FU to religion.

 

[frank stokes]

How many workplaces "force you to wear the rainbow colours" to have employment for the day, what's expected(and a condition of employment) is showing respect to every human being in the workplace.

It is a uniform... they can hold their beliefs AND where the uniform... imo it is the players that have chosen to blow this up as a tokenistic moral stand... yes, the club are idiots for how they did it but they, as the employer, can design their jersey however they like...

 

[Technical Coach]

You heard of question marks, champ?

Your statement is wrong - the example of Ian Roberts being the only gay player in the history of Australian rugby league who came out & the reaction of the 7 players (& more) refusing to play illustrates that.

Don't go down the grammar and punctuation line makes you look like a tool and is off topic.

How is my statement wrong when we all know sport has bonded many people of all types and persuasions for many many years.

I never stated all things have been fixed or mended or bonded with but i know creating a rainbow jersey will do nothing but create division and only bond the already convinced.(in the present, the marketing will work in altering the mindsets for the medium to long term though, as is evident already----rightly or wrongly)

 

[47MVEagle]

The rainbow colours are specific, political and a sly subtle FU to religion.

You keep saying this.

It's an interesting insight to you.

 

[47MVEagle]

Don't go down the grammar and punctuation line makes you look like a tool and is off topic.

How is my statement wrong when we all know sport has bonded many people of all types and persuasions for many many years.

I never stated all things have been fixed or mended or bonded with but i know creating a rainbow jersey will do nothing but create division and only bond the already convinced.(in the present, the marketing will work in altering the mindsets for the medium to long term though, as is evident already----rightly or wrongly)

I've explained why your statement is wrong.

You look like a tool not using question marks, know what I mean.

 

[Technical Coach]

It is a uniform... they can hold their beliefs AND where the uniform... imo it is the players that have chosen to blow this up as a tokenistic moral stand... yes, the club are idiots for how they did it but they, as the employer, can design their jersey however they like...

If i was working in a workplace with a certain uniform then later made to wear a political stance uniform i would refuse also.

I would also refuse to wear a uniform promoting "Depression" for the same reasons.

 

[fLIP]

These guys are snowflakes. Remember the **** storm when Erin Molan made a joke out of a surname. The entire Polynesian community had an aneurysm.

We will discriminate but don't you dare say hooka mooka.

 

[Technical Coach]

I've explained why your statement is wrong.

You look like a tool not using question marks, know what I mean.

So you are not the "inclusive" type either putting down people with a lesser education or reading history to yourself.

 

[47MVEagle]

So you are not the "inclusive" type either putting down people with a lesser education or reading history to yourself.

It's a subtle "FU" to religion.

 

[Technical Coach]

You keep saying this.

It's an interesting insight to you.

Yeah just me, i'll take your word for it.