[Resurrected] Please, please Trent... Pick Tom Wright

Bearfax said:
They let him go SER8. No offer was apparently being made,
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Not so, Bear! He was under contract but wanted to go back to union. You urge the club to have patience but sometimes the players aren't patient either.

"The ACT Brumbies have poached a former rugby union schoolboys prodigy to bolster their inside-back stocks, adding Tom Wright to their roster after he requested a release from his NRL contract."
www.smh.com.au

ACT Brumbies sign Tom Wright from Manly to land coup for rugby union

The exciting inside back will return to rugby union after making his NRL debut this season, keen to reignite his Super Rugby ambitions.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
 
frank stokes said:
He has ultimate responsibility sure but, for mine, he employed a lot of people that were not up to the task(s) assigned them also... and add to that a whole heap of back biting...

It is almost like our club has been eating itself from the inside...
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Des
Toovey
Barrett
Des mk2

All have had direct issues with the owner ultimately leading to their demise.
KPIs, siding with the wrong faction, under resourcing the footy dept, personality clashes, etc, etc.

He is literally the common denominator in all of it.

This directly correlates to any new coach here looking for instant success, and not showing patience with our youngsters.....and it needs to change....now
 
SeaEagleRock8 said:
Not so, Bear! He was under contract but wanted to go back to union. You urge the club to have patience but sometimes the players aren't patient either.

"The ACT Brumbies have poached a former rugby union schoolboys prodigy to bolster their inside-back stocks, adding Tom Wright to their roster after he requested a release from his NRL contract."
www.smh.com.au

ACT Brumbies sign Tom Wright from Manly to land coup for rugby union

The exciting inside back will return to rugby union after making his NRL debut this season, keen to reignite his Super Rugby ambitions.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
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You can't post things like that,it destroys peoples agenda that the club is at fault and he would be a guaranteed star if only they didn't cast him aside like unwanted ink cartridges.
If only one of the other 15 NRL sides had offered him a contract who knows what he could have been in league .....
 
SeaEagleRock8 said:
Not so, Bear! He was under contract but wanted to go back to union. You urge the club to have patience but sometimes the players aren't patient either.

"The ACT Brumbies have poached a former rugby union schoolboys prodigy to bolster their inside-back stocks, adding Tom Wright to their roster after he requested a release from his NRL contract."
www.smh.com.au

ACT Brumbies sign Tom Wright from Manly to land coup for rugby union

The exciting inside back will return to rugby union after making his NRL debut this season, keen to reignite his Super Rugby ambitions.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
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OK SER8. I retract that element.


However its noted that they let him go and that he obviously did not see his future with the club given how Barrett was handling him. In a sense not so different to Gutherson. Contracted but allowed to leave. In both instances, though conjecture, I suspect they were both encouraged to take opportunities elsewhere. Not like they were stars at that stage and looking for the big bucks, though they got it eventually.

I suspect, and its only an opinion but reding between the lines as they say, both were invited to look elsewhere.. Same as Weekes. Same as the Fainu brothers. The reasons are obscure and probably different. The reason Manly let these kids go were not necessarily based on the same issues, but fact is they were seemingly invited to leave.
 
Bearfax said:
OK SER8. I retract that element.


However its noted that they let him go and that he obviously did not see his future with the club given how Barrett was handling him. In a sense not so different to Gutherson. Contracted but allowed to leave. In both instances, though conjecture, I suspect they were both encouraged to take opportunities elsewhere. Not like they were stars at that stage and looking for the big bucks, though they got it eventually.

I suspect, and its only an opinion but reding between the lines as they say, both were invited to look elsewhere.. Same as Weekes. Same as the Fainu brothers. The reasons are obscure and probably different. The reason Manly let these kids go were not necessarily based on the same issues, but fact is they were seemingly invited to leave.
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In any organization, the people that make the calls don’t have to have transparency on their decisions. They are usually kept in house, all of us keyboard warriors can only speculate on the details.

I have a little info on the Fainu brothers and why they were not part of the Manly plans. Trust me that all decision are not based on talent, potential or ability. If you piss of the people that are paying you, then your days are numbered.

Sponsor's are an important part of any club, if you do wrong by them there will be consequences.
 
Lyonstomenzies said:
In any organization, the people that make the calls don’t have to have transparency on their decisions. They are usually kept in house, all of us keyboard warriors can only speculate on the details.

I have a little info on the Fainu brothers and why they were not part of the Manly plans. Trust me that all decision are not based on talent, potential or ability. If you piss of the people that are paying you, then your days are numbered.

Sponsor's are an important part of any club, if you do wrong by them there will be consequences.
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That's why I qualified my statement 'the reasons are obscure and probably different'. I was aware there were issues regarding the Fainus, but still leaking talent generally is a mistake in my opinion and is why Wests aren't consistently near the top with the talent they churn out and lose.
 
MW66 said:
I think Wright is much better suited to Union. My memories of him, even in juniors was that he was very much a rocks and diamonds player. Scored a great try on the weekend but not convinced he would have had the same career in league.
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Yeah, very much a highlights reel style of player. Even in the lower grades, he showed zero desire to defend. That is not a desirable quality in a rugby league player.
 
Guys he was young and inexperienced, and trained as a union player. In fact he was offered an International Union Sevens spot before coming to Manly, but chose Manly instead of taking the big cash for that alternative role. He was the star perfumer in his junior grades and assisted Manly to one of the rare junior grand finals. Sure adapting to League wasn't automatic but he still starred even if he seemed uninvolved in some games. And lets call it for what it is. He played in only four or five first grade matches (the number is disputed by different authorities) and in some of those game he got less than 20 minutes on the field. Hardly a means of gauging his potential (remember Gutherson again).He was playing for a side at the bottom half of the comp and I recall in one of those games as centre, the ball went to the other side of the field with DCE, Turbo and Kelly for most of the match. This is hardly an effective means of determining whether he would succeed. Granted he had one average game as five eighth.

Now this kid has played 83 games for the Brumbies, scored 37 tries, has played 24 test matches for the Wallabies with 5 more tries. Even if he played slightly less effectively in League, he would still rank as a star.
 
Bearfax said:
Now this kid has played 83 games for the Brumbies, scored 37 tries, has played 24 test matches for the Wallabies with 5 more tries. Even if he played slightly less effectively in League, he would still rank as a star.
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Maybe, maybe not. But we'll never know. He's established himself in union and seems happy to stay there. I'm happy for him, too - always seemed like a good young guy, and he always says good things about his time at Manly.

If he'd stayed with us, I'm not sure where he would have fitted into the team. I'm also not sure it would have been the best place for him to develop as a rugby league player, given our coaching roundabout at the time. He may well have ended up at another club.

But it really is true that "you can't keep them all", and there will always be players who spend time in a club's system only to move on and excel somewhere else. I try to wish them well wherever they land.
 
Ron E. Gibbs said:
Maybe, maybe not. But we'll never know. He's established himself in union and seems happy to stay there. I'm happy for him, too - always seemed like a good young guy, and he always says good things about his time at Manly.

If he'd stayed with us, I'm not sure where he would have fitted into the team. I'm also not sure it would have been the best place for him to develop as a rugby league player, given our coaching roundabout at the time. He may well have ended up at another club.

But it really is true that "you can't keep them all", and there will always be players who spend time in a club's system only to move on and excel somewhere else. I try to wish them well wherever they land.
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You're right that we'll never know. But I base opinions on the evidence available to us. A kid playing a type of game so closely linked in style, especially in the backs, being so successful in that other code suggests to me that he has the qualities there that would make him successful in League. The different codes are not that divergent. We've already seen many players move from one code to the other who were test or at least top players and rarely are they ineffective in the sister code. So on probabilities based on past experiences with these players, it is most likely that Wright would have succeeded in League as well as Union
 
Bearfax said:
He played in only four or five first grade matches (the number is disputed by different authorities) and in some of those game he got less than 20 minutes on the field. Hardly a means of gauging his potential (remember Gutherson again).
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Bearfax said:
But I base opinions on the evidence available to us
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I'd love to know what evidence you have to support your theory that coaches should give young talent an extended run in first grade 'to gauge their potential.'

I'm pretty sure Manly already knew the kid had potential, hence why they gave him a contract. He didn't nail his opportunities in first grade.

Those of us who had watched him in lower grades weren't terribly shocked by this. Kayo also failed to properly grasp his chances. Lehi is an example of a kid grasping his chance, and guess what, he's getting more runs in NRL. You've followed league for long enough to know this is how it works!
 
My personal opion is Wright may have had a Matt Dufty type of career in the NRL and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I've not lost an ounce of sleep on letting Wright go but we all have different views on players.

Side note, Rugby in Australia is at its absolute lowest ebb atm.
 
Halves combinations tend to be better if they offer different skillsets . I never saw him as a centre

A dce / tom wright combo is just too much of the same

Manly have chased players at 6 to compliment DCE’s off the cuff game
Not sure Tom would do anything but provide the same

In recent years we have released Blake Green and Foz that offer that difference for various reasons. I think manly would have been better placed if both if those players had at least another season

We have always been able to score points .

How would Tom really improve Manly ? He didn’t strike me as the guy that would stop us giving up big leads
 
SeaEagleRock8 said:
I'd love to know what evidence you have to support your theory that coaches should give young talent an extended run in first grade 'to gauge their potential.'

I'm pretty sure Manly already knew the kid had potential, hence why they gave him a contract. He didn't nail his opportunities in first grade.

Those of us who had watched him in lower grades weren't terribly shocked by this. Kayo also failed to properly grasp his chances. Lehi is an example of a kid grasping his chance, and guess what, he's getting more runs in NRL. You've followed league for long enough to know this is how it works!
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You're not looking SER8. The very fact that these kids go to other clubs and succeed is evidence I would have thought. Dont get me wrong here. I'm not suggesting that every junior making first grade is going to be top tier. But coaches, like most supporters want quick fix solutions. That method rarely works. Most successful coaches bring their juniors through step by step and allow them time to develop. Bellamy is a master at it. Gibson was brilliant at it. Arthurson as a manager ensued the club held onto players who showed potential but were not yet top tier. Of course a top winning coach does have the luxury of time, which is in itself self perpetuating. The more time allowed to develop the more likely of success. Cleary seems to use the same method.

What I've observed of coaches who use quick fix solutions is that they are constantly importing average first graders and tending to overlook juniors who don't immediately thrive. Barrett did this. What surprised was Hasler doing it the second round. Its a patch up job and rarely works but these coaches are under pressure from their management and supporters to have instant success. In my opinion a sure way to fail
 
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