Game Day: Parramatta v Manly, Saturday [Round 4, 2020]

[Cioran]

Loosing you say

All right “having games stolen”. Looks the same on the score board. It’s part of what makes it great to be a Sea Eagle fan. Every win is a win against adversity.

 

[Bring back the.... Biff?]

All right “having games stolen”. Looks the same on the score board. It’s part of what makes it great to be a Sea Eagle fan. Every win is a win against adversity.

Haha yeah but its spelt losing
Ps robbed

 

[frank stokes]

Oh so when it suits a fan "the people running the game are now experts", lol.

I'm not arguing how under the current rules you can argue the pass is ok, i'm stating i take a linesman direct in line view over camera angles and physics that alter the perspective in favour of a pass technically being ok.

If this is the case linesman should not have to make calls on forward passes because the physics and out of hand backwards argument defines most passes as ok.

Arguing the pass is forward when the rules say it is not is futile and pointless...

That would be like me saying a shoulder charge should not be a penalty because it was not dangerous...

The ball went backwards out of the hands so it is not forward... sure, we all know it SHOULD be BUT the NRL in its wisdom at some point decided it is not

 

[Cioran]

Haha yeah but its spelt losing
Ps robbed

I can’t spell worth s*it, particularly after a few beers. Happy with the game tonight though. Recon the boys have got another 20% improvement in them while most other teams (including the Eels) are as good as they’re going to get.

 

[Jerry1]

I'm not debating this----the point is the pass over a short distance is not going to float "that much forward" due to momentum.(over a longer distance sure no debate)

If the ball is released backwards momentum over that short distance might float the ball to a line ball forward pass from point of release but not 1mtr forward.

Shut up you plonker you are wrong and making yourself look like a total goose.

 

[Shoe1]

That was disappointing, good hanging in there by manly. We have a lot of improvement in us though I think.

How could the touchy have got it so wrong. No feel for the game.

Garrick did a great job to score, unrewarded.

suck it up and channel it into next week.

 

[Will on the hill]

Most passes in a game a player is not running at a sufficient enough speed to generate a huge forward momentum to a pass unless you are in open space and running at top speed.

A pass travelling 1mtr forward over say 4-5mtrs is a hell of a lot of momentum travel relative to distance when not at full running speed with a 45 degree running line angle.(which reduces "direct" forward momentum travel relative to the tryline being square)

Flat passes are legal, any forward momentum a player has will transfer to the ball, at 30kph a pass in the air for 1s could travel 8.3M forward and still be technically backwards. Extreme example but I'm exhausted and the numbers were easy.

 

[40 years an eagle]

Yep, and even at only 5kph it would drift forward 1.4m. That pass was definitely not even 1.4 m forward.

 

[Dan]

Most passes in a game a player is not running at a sufficient enough speed to generate a huge forward momentum to a pass unless you are in open space and running at top speed.

A pass travelling 1mtr forward over say 4-5mtrs is a hell of a lot of momentum travel relative to distance when not at full running speed with a 45 degree running line angle.(which reduces "direct" forward momentum travel relative to the tryline being square)

Can't believe I am bothering to get involved in this nonsense but....

That makes no sense, distance, momentum and velocity are different things. Momentum isn't even really the right measure. The forward speed of the player makes the most difference

1m forward over any distance does not require a "hell of a lot of momentum".

The fact is passing it at speed will result in the ball moving forward across the ground, you can argue all you like but this is not the matrix and the rules of physics are inescapable, it's unfortunate fact.

If things were changed to your understanding of physics we would have stoppages for forward passes in every single set.

 

[ALinda]

Annersley's statement was too little too late and we don't get any compensation anyways. Ref should've been able to go to the bunker for a ruling.

As Des said, we should not have been in that situation at the end. I was quite impressed and encouraged with how we came back and didn't lie down. Pity about Garrick's kicking accuracy.

We need to move on from that now and Thursday's game can't come quick enough. Hope Siro and AFB are OK and that Reuben practices his kicks.

 

[Southerneagle]

technical coach - your credibility is taking a hammering. You can’t ignore the physics

 

[Dan]

technical coach - your credibility is taking a hammering. You can’t ignore the physics

Definitely seems that he has some momentum

 

[madmax]

Oh so when it suits a fan "the people running the game are now experts", lol.

I'm not arguing how under the current rules you can argue the pass is ok, i'm stating i take a linesman direct in line view over camera angles and physics that alter the perspective in favour of a pass technically being ok.

If this is the case linesman should not have to make calls on forward passes because the physics and out of hand backwards argument defines most passes as ok.

Mate give it up! You’re not an expert! You have no idea about physics! People who know a $hitload more than you about rugby league & have experienced real time rugby league have agreed the pass went backwards after Trbo released the ball & it’s clear as daylight. Unfortunately your physics argument is incorrect!

 

[40 nil]

For this game, the Eels had a nine day turnaround whilst we only had six.* It seemed we never really recovered from defending so many sets at the start of the game. After that, we lacked composure and our kicking game, both long & short was very poor. There was a lot of one out running in the forwards with little ball movement or offloading. Also there was very little dummy half running. The Eels played very well, their kicking game was on song & there was good individual performances from Sivo, Gutherson, Moses & others. Whilst watching, I felt the Eels were the better team and were mostly on top. In fact, the only time I became animated during the whole game was when Reuben crossed for his try.

Yet despite the above, we would have won except for an official's mistake (a much bigger bungle than the controversial 'six again' call during last year's GF). The only thing that kept us in the game was grit & determination. This was exemplified in the effort required to score each of our tries. This will keep us in good stead in future games.

Positives for me: This was the first game in which I have perceived Parker as a genuine attacking threat. I think there should be more effort to give him early ball - the attack often breaks down with Thompson's runs on that edge. Also, I was very impressed with Garrick's determined try crashing through Gutherson's tackle. He seems to have bulked up & become stronger in the off season. He is developing into a very capable finisher, scoring tries with speed, acrobatics & now strength! Full credit also to Jorge tonight - his tries were special.

The Eels played well, but still needed luck to beat us - a field goal & a conversion by Moses striking the uprights on the way through, plus a wrongly disallowed Sea Eagles try.

Onwards & upwards in 2020!

* For our next game, the Broncos will have seven days turnaround, whilst we have only five.

 

[Waz13]

Pass was forward by a mile, all this crap about momentum and point of release being backwards is over thinking it.

Linesman was right in line of the play yet we take a camera angle behind the play over his perfect view of the pass.(i feel sorry for linesman they can't win) Camera is behind the play making the point of release look backward, as the camera catches up with the play you see the true direction of the pass---it's not momentum that is floating the ball almost a full metre forward over a short distance.

Remember Tom is nowhere near full running speed, not even running a straight line to increase the chances of momentum taking the ball forward over a greater distance in the same direction---- a ball can float forward yes but not by that much over a short distance due to the laws of physics.

Slow the play down and you see where Tom released the ball before contact behind the 20m display number and the pass is caught almost on the line of the 20m----will take the linesmans view over camera angles and an estimation over how much physics has a play any day of the week.

Have you ever played a game of league, Union, touch footy, austag in your life? If so you would be aware of the “back out of the hands” and momentum which moves the ball forward. Sorry but anyone who saw that pass knew it was back (at best flat), including the referees boss. Fairdinkum.

 

[Waz13]

now onto the broncos next week.

Where again the nrl can’t have there darlings lose again.

can feel another stitch up coming.

oh by the way when all of the fox panel agree that was not forward from tom then you truly know how bad that call was from Cummins

Nah after what I saw tonight, we will improve and the Broncs are no chance.

 

[Waz13]

For this game, the Eels had a nine day turnaround whilst we only had six.* It seemed we never really recovered from defending so many sets at the start of the game. After that, we lacked composure and our kicking game, both long & short was very poor. There was a lot of one out running in the forwards with little ball movement or offloading. Also there was very little dummy half running. The Eels played very well, their kicking game was on song & there was good individual performances from Sivo, Gutherson, Moses & others. Whilst watching, I felt the Eels were the better team and were mostly on top. In fact, the only time I became animated during the whole game was when Reuben crossed for his try.

Yet despite the above, we would have won except for an official's mistake (a much bigger bungle than the controversial 'six again' call during last year's GF). The only thing that kept us in the game was grit & determination. This was exemplified in the effort required to score each of our tries. This will keep us in good stead in future games.

Positives for me: This was the first game in which I have perceived Parker as a genuine attacking threat. I think there should be more effort to give him early ball - the attack often breaks down with Thompson's runs on that edge. Also, I was very impressed with Garrick's determined try crashing through Gutherson's tackle. He seems to have bulked up & become stronger in the off season. He is developing into a very capable finisher, scoring tries with speed, acrobatics & now strength! Full credit also to Jorge tonight - his tries were special.

The Eels played well, but still needed luck to beat us - a field goal & a conversion by Moses striking the uprights on the way through, plus a wrongly disallowed Sea Eagles try.

Onwards & upwards in 2020!

* For our next game, the Broncos will have seven days turnaround, whilst we have only five.

Really like this post and I thought similar re Eels outplaying is. Howvever on reflection had we not been dudded by Cummins early I think Parra would not have gotten on top in that first half. It took us a while to work back in and that was taxing. In saying that our execution at the end of sets was as bad as I’ve seen in a long while and Moses outplayed dce in that regard. We need a bit more structure to our sets and ensure DCE finishes the set. Walker for mine is still (and perhaps always will be) a Centre playing in 6. I don’t like seeing him with the ball on the 5th tackle.

 

[wombatgc]

Shut up you plonker you are wrong and making yourself look like a total goose.

C’mon Jerry, you know TC revels in his I’m right, the world is wrong mantra. He loves this shiit. 😉

 

[Bring back the.... Biff?]

Shut up you plonker you are wrong and making yourself look like a total goose.

So your saying the pass was forward now? Hmmm

 

[Technical Coach]

Have you ever played a game of league, Union, touch footy, austag in your life? If so you would be aware of the “back out of the hands” and momentum which moves the ball forward. Sorry but anyone who saw that pass knew it was back (at best flat), including the referees boss. Fairdinkum.

Never had that much forward momentum in a pass without wind assistance that is for sure.

People are brainwashed by the physics/momentum argument like they can calculate in every instance what is an "acceptable" amount of forward momentum.

The hands give the "illusion" of pointing back due to the camera angle, "at best" a flat release when seeing the cam at "almost" the same line as the sideline ref.