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  1. Harvies elbow

    By:Harvies elbowMay 17, 2019
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    These threads always turn silvertails against each other.
    I hate to see it.


    No I don't. Keep it coming.
    Didn't think I'd be much entertained by this thread but I am...
     
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    • MuzztheEagle

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      I don't have a lot of time for this but let's consider this line. specifically; Michah 5:2: "But you Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah." There were and still aren't thousands of towns in this regions, thus to deduct that the Bethlehem Ephrathah mentioned is a town a flawed assumption it would make more sence that this line references the thousands of people of Judah and Bethlehem Ephrathah a clan within the region - of which Jesus did not belong.
       
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      Her name was Lola ..
      she was a showdog
      with feathers in her fur
      and a dress cut down to there ...

      SHE IS GOING STRAIGHT TO FUKKEN HELL!!!!!!!! ..
       
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      Muzz, one side of the argument ... prior to the invention of the printing press, has had almost 2000 years of almost total control of all literature and the copying of all ancient texts if you thing for one minute the monks in Abbey #6 went out of their way to reproduce conflicting testaments or didn't use poetic license to gild the lily ... or heaven forbid, back date prophecy ...... then there is always that bridge that is up for sale ....

      Or you could belive the gospels have been faithfully reproduced ... from the originals ... without any adjustment from the clerical censors ...
       
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        True (and I already touched on this) and regardless of whether the intent to do this existed or not there is still a significant impact on the current texts and translations. Any bilingual person can tell you that not everything can be translated across languages and details and true meanings will always be lost. It's especially true when you consider when ancient scholars did there recreations and translations they didn't have google to look up a word or the ability to zoom in on a letter when they couldn't quite read it.
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          But she can't even go to hell without a soul :(
          Ironically my version of hell will see me sent to heaven - to listen to Christians/Muslims/Whatever tell me how they were right all along... for the rest of eternity :p
           
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            .. And a vested or spiritual reason to prefer a certain word or inturpretation
             
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                Without witnesses we cannot have any evidence

                The evidence are those witnesses that saw Christ heal the sick and the blind and rise the dead and finally saw him rise form the dead him self

                Those witnesses were jailed and beaten up and killed for not denying their faith and worship Christ as their saviour
                 
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              • Eagle thru 'n' thru

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                One thing that I think is powerful testimony to the reliability of the New Testament claims of Jesus Christ is that the first followers of Jesus is the first followers themselves. These disciples plus the 500 that eyewitnessed the ascension of Jesus continued to grow into thousands. If Jesus Christ was 'made up' by the first followers, then Jesus the Christ, the disciples and christianity is a hoax of mega proportions. Early christianity (1st century) would've disappeared rapidly at the persecution of christians if it was all a made up lie. The disciples who were martyred for their insistant belief and a devotion to a 'made-up' character would not last. These disciples died upholding a belief that Jesus is the Christ that was to come, and the truth that the world desparately needs. Christianity didn't die out under persecution but grew and the first followers are commended for that.
                 
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                  Plenty of supposed faith healers with hundreds of witnesses claiming similar feats. I've met plenty who believe in the Loch Ness monster and Big Foot.
                  If I was a Roman/Jewish leader back in the day and heard about some guy who could miraculously cure illness I would probably ask him to be my GP (even if that meant holding him against his will) rather than crucifying him.
                  Also:
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                  If god wanted to heal people through his Son, why didn't he have him inform them about bacteria and viruses and the benefits of good sanitation?
                   
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                  Beware of imitations .......

                  Yes there were plenty of supposed faith healers and only but died on the Cross and was resurrected . Only one is the most celebrated in our whole calender year .

                  There are many Doctors and Scientists that are Christians thank you very much Daniel Sloss
                   
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                  Your right Bozo.....All hail Santa!!!!! the bringer of presents!
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                  The Messiah up against a comedian

                  Comedy at its best


                  Each to their own
                   
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                  Yet Christianity continues to decline while the number of us identifying as having no religion increases at record rates. Why is this? Are we approaching the end of days :devil: or are modern societies simply embracing the freedom and access to knowledge that simply hasn't existing in the past? :whew:
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                  It's called discourse, you know, like the exchange of ideas?
                  But don't worry, I won't look any further in your direction for ideas, as I've no interest in ploughing through 1000s of words of cut and pasted intellectual self-stimulation.
                   
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                  Muslim's (and others) claim that the gospels and the New Testament have been changed therefore it cannot be a reliable source for placing one's faith. If this is true, then I would agree. However, since this belief (the gospels/NT has been changed from the original) is expressed as a "truth claim", then how can this "truth claim" be varified without the original manuscripts?

                  If the nutshell messege of the good news is that Jesus provided the only way to redemption and reconcilation to God throught His death on the cross, the forgiveness of sins, one needs to ask, what was the original messege by christians before the scriptures we have today? Was a bad messege changed to good? If so, what was it and where's the evidence?
                  Why did the writers of the gospels included bad and embarassing behaviours and statements, why weren't they omitted in the copying of the N/T?
                  The very fact that these have not been omitted shows the importance that the copyist's viewed the claims found in the originals.
                   
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