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These threads always turn silvertails against each other.
I hate to see it.


No I don't. Keep it coming.
Didn't think I'd be much entertained by this thread but I am...
 

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It makes a couple of predictions. First, the birthplace of this future “ruler of Israel” would be Bethlehem Ephrathah. Since there were two locations known as Bethlehem at the time of Micah’s writing, the addition of Ephrathah is significant. It specifies the Bethlehem in Judah, the portion of Israel in which the capital, Jerusalem, was located. Bethlehem was considered “little,” or insignificant, among the cities of Judah, yet would serve as the birthplace of this future ruler.
I don't have a lot of time for this but let's consider this line. specifically; Michah 5:2: "But you Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah." There were and still aren't thousands of towns in this regions, thus to deduct that the Bethlehem Ephrathah mentioned is a town a flawed assumption it would make more sence that this line references the thousands of people of Judah and Bethlehem Ephrathah a clan within the region - of which Jesus did not belong.
 

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Daisy is 10, she is the pup I kept from a litter produced by our last dog, Lola the Labrador
Her name was Lola ..
she was a showdog
with feathers in her fur
and a dress cut down to there ...

SHE IS GOING STRAIGHT TO FUKKEN HELL!!!!!!!! ..
 

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I don't have a lot of time for this but let's consider this line. specifically; Michah 5:2: "But you Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah." There were and still aren't thousands of towns in this regions, thus to deduct that the Bethlehem Ephrathah mentioned is a town a flawed assumption it would make more sence that this line references the thousands of people of Judah and Bethlehem Ephrathah a clan within the region - of which Jesus did not belong.
Muzz, one side of the argument ... prior to the invention of the printing press, has had almost 2000 years of almost total control of all literature and the copying of all ancient texts if you thing for one minute the monks in Abbey #6 went out of their way to reproduce conflicting testaments or didn't use poetic license to gild the lily ... or heaven forbid, back date prophecy ...... then there is always that bridge that is up for sale ....

Or you could belive the gospels have been faithfully reproduced ... from the originals ... without any adjustment from the clerical censors ...
 

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Muzz, one side of the argument ... prior to the invention of the printing press, has had almost 2000 years of almost total control of all literature and the copying of all ancient texts if you thing for one minute the monks in Abbey #6 went out of their way to reproduce conflicting testaments or didn't use poetic license to gild the lily ... or heaven forbid, back date prophecy ...... then there is always that bridge that is up for sale ....

Or you could belive the gospels have been faithfully reproduced ... from the originals ... without any adjustment from the clerical censors ...
True (and I already touched on this) and regardless of whether the intent to do this existed or not there is still a significant impact on the current texts and translations. Any bilingual person can tell you that not everything can be translated across languages and details and true meanings will always be lost. It's especially true when you consider when ancient scholars did there recreations and translations they didn't have google to look up a word or the ability to zoom in on a letter when they couldn't quite read it.
 

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Her name was Lola ..
she was a showdog
with feathers in her fur
and a dress cut down to there ...

SHE IS GOING STRAIGHT TO FUKKEN HELL!!!!!!!! ..
But she can't even go to hell without a soul :(
Ironically my version of hell will see me sent to heaven - to listen to Christians/Muslims/Whatever tell me how they were right all along... for the rest of eternity :p
 

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True (and I already touched on this) and regardless of whether the intent to do this existed or not there is still a significant impact on the current texts and translations. Any bilingual person can tell you that not everything can be translated across languages and details and true meanings will always be lost. It's especially true when you consider when ancient scholars did there recreations and translations they didn't have google to look up a word or the ability to zoom in on a letter when they couldn't quite read it.
.. And a vested or spiritual reason to prefer a certain word or inturpretation
 

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Evidence that he may have existed - YES
Evidence that he was the son of God - NO (plenty of opinions though)
Without witnesses we cannot have any evidence

The evidence are those witnesses that saw Christ heal the sick and the blind and rise the dead and finally saw him rise form the dead him self

Those witnesses were jailed and beaten up and killed for not denying their faith and worship Christ as their saviour
 

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Today some claim that Jesus is just an idea, rather than a real historical figure, but there is a good deal of written evidence for his existence 2,000 years ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died
One thing that I think is powerful testimony to the reliability of the New Testament claims of Jesus Christ is that the first followers of Jesus is the first followers themselves. These disciples plus the 500 that eyewitnessed the ascension of Jesus continued to grow into thousands. If Jesus Christ was 'made up' by the first followers, then Jesus the Christ, the disciples and christianity is a hoax of mega proportions. Early christianity (1st century) would've disappeared rapidly at the persecution of christians if it was all a made up lie. The disciples who were martyred for their insistant belief and a devotion to a 'made-up' character would not last. These disciples died upholding a belief that Jesus is the Christ that was to come, and the truth that the world desparately needs. Christianity didn't die out under persecution but grew and the first followers are commended for that.
 

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Without witnesses we cannot have any evidence

The evidence are those witnesses that saw Christ heal the sick and the blind and rise the dead and finally saw him rise form the dead him self

Those witnesses were jailed and beaten up and killed for not denying their faith and worship Christ as their saviour
Plenty of supposed faith healers with hundreds of witnesses claiming similar feats. I've met plenty who believe in the Loch Ness monster and Big Foot.
If I was a Roman/Jewish leader back in the day and heard about some guy who could miraculously cure illness I would probably ask him to be my GP (even if that meant holding him against his will) rather than crucifying him.
Also:
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If god wanted to heal people through his Son, why didn't he have him inform them about bacteria and viruses and the benefits of good sanitation?
 

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Plenty of supposed faith healers with hundreds of witnesses claiming similar feats. I've met plenty who believe in the Loch Ness monster and Big Foot.
If I was a Roman/Jewish leader back in the day and heard about some guy who could miraculously cure illness I would probably ask him to be my GP (even if that meant holding him against his will) rather than crucifying him.
Also:
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Beware of imitations .......

Yes there were plenty of supposed faith healers and only but died on the Cross and was resurrected . Only one is the most celebrated in our whole calender year .

There are many Doctors and Scientists that are Christians thank you very much Daniel Sloss
 

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Beware of imitations .......

Yes there were plenty of supposed faith healers and only one died on the Cross and was resurrected . Only one is the most celebrated in our whole calender year .

There are many Doctors and Scientists that are Christians thank you very much Daniel Sloss
Your right Bozo.....All hail Santa!!!!! the bringer of presents!
 
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Beware of imitations .......

Yes there were plenty of supposed faith healers and only but died on the Cross and was resurrected . Only one is the most celebrated in our whole calender year .

There are many Doctors and Scientists that are Christians thank you very much Daniel Sloss
Yet Christianity continues to decline while the number of us identifying as having no religion increases at record rates. Why is this? Are we approaching the end of days :devil: or are modern societies simply embracing the freedom and access to knowledge that simply hasn't existing in the past? :whew:
 

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Then why do you ask questions and want answers??
It's called discourse, you know, like the exchange of ideas?
But don't worry, I won't look any further in your direction for ideas, as I've no interest in ploughing through 1000s of words of cut and pasted intellectual self-stimulation.
 

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Muzz, one side of the argument ... prior to the invention of the printing press, has had almost 2000 years of almost total control of all literature and the copying of all ancient texts if you thing for one minute the monks in Abbey #6 went out of their way to reproduce conflicting testaments or didn't use poetic license to gild the lily ... or heaven forbid, back date prophecy ...... then there is always that bridge that is up for sale ....

Or you could belive the gospels have been faithfully reproduced ... from the originals ... without any adjustment from the clerical censors ...
Muslim's (and others) claim that the gospels and the New Testament have been changed therefore it cannot be a reliable source for placing one's faith. If this is true, then I would agree. However, since this belief (the gospels/NT has been changed from the original) is expressed as a "truth claim", then how can this "truth claim" be varified without the original manuscripts?

If the nutshell messege of the good news is that Jesus provided the only way to redemption and reconcilation to God throught His death on the cross, the forgiveness of sins, one needs to ask, what was the original messege by christians before the scriptures we have today? Was a bad messege changed to good? If so, what was it and where's the evidence?
Why did the writers of the gospels included bad and embarassing behaviours and statements, why weren't they omitted in the copying of the N/T?
The very fact that these have not been omitted shows the importance that the copyist's viewed the claims found in the originals.
 

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