omnipotent beings discussion

[Kevinward777]

What about the fact that people are willing to believe in what they are told without proof? This is something you seem passionate in - when it fits your beliefs.
What about the damage that causes to believers who think that god will answer their prayers to cure their cancer or a child's illness a to find them that new job or to end the drought.
What about the damage that religions such as Scientology & Joho's that take money and rights from their believers - would you deny this happens. What of those other crazy religions who beat their wives and what about those in Catholic churches who were told to keep quite or risk offending God?
And what separates your religion from those religions? It's not differences in 2000 year old scripture, yet that is what you place your belief in.

This country would be a completely different place if the “men” of today had of been tasked with defending our people during the 20th century.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

I’ve never claimed anyone is lesser... I’ve never advocated oppression, discrimination or profiting through religion. I take offence when you make generalised assumptions and lump me in with your preconceived ideals of what a Christian is. You have even taken the liberty of telling me and my wife how we should be socialising based upon one sentence i wrote in a post.

I keep referring to starvation because it kills millions every single year, and it’s not even on your gay/feminist left wing radar.

You're missing the point!
You asked me why the sort of religious fever that exists in the southern USA is a bad thing and I gave my answer.
Belief in anything without looking at the facts is dangerous, and it's something you clearly believe in - UNLESS it is related to your own religion.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

I keep referring to starvation because it kills millions every single year, and it’s not even on your gay/feminist left wing radar.

This country would be a completely different place if the “men” of today had of been tasked with defending our people during the 20th century.

Lol! Looks like your true (Christian) colours might be starting to show now Have I touched a nerve?
Do you honestly believe that starvation is has not been solved because people are trying to defend and improve the rights of other?

 

[manlyfan76]

Kevin can you answer my question from earlier please.
Do you believe that you can create something out of nothing.

 

[Kevinward777]

Not at all.., every human life is precious, irrespective of sexual orientation, religion, nationality or class. Every life!

I just find it quite pathetic that so many people get up in arms about the rights of a minority group who have it better now than at anytime in history, but fail to feel that same passion about a true humanitarian issue which is killing millions around the world each year. These same people will defend the trillions of dollars spent on space programs, while people continue to die unnecessarily. They die excruciatingly slow and painful deaths.

It’s incomprehensible really.

 

[Kevinward777]

Kevin can you answer my question from earlier please.
Do you believe that you can create something out of nothing.

Mate I’m not going to bother going round and round in circles on the who created God debate again. I have responded above already... if you disagree you disagree.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Not at all.., every human life is precious, irrespective of sexual orientation, religion, nationality or class. Every life!

I just find it quite pathetic that so many people get up in arms about the rights of a minority group who have it better now than at anytime in history, but fail to feel that same passion about a true humanitarian issue which is killing millions around the world each year. These same people will defend the trillions of dollars spent on space programs, while people continue to die unnecessarily. They die excruciatingly slow and painful deaths.

It’s incomprehensible really.

It's an irrelevant issue, and one your using to distract the point again. Believe me there is plenty of passion there for the problem - but it doesn't sell ad space so it's not discussed.
But what your now saying is that because some minorities have it better than before that that's enough? I'm pretty sure we can do more than one thing at once and continuously work towards a better world for all.

In terms of believing all are equal - you can claim that YOU believe it (as a good christian/whatever) but the fact is there are many who preach and follow religions that do not. Which makes religious protection laws are a terrible idea and a terrifying one for those who will be persecuted by those protected by them.

 

[Kevinward777]

So what? It doesn't encourage the concept that some are greater than others - leading to violence, slavery, oppression etc.
I fail to see what any of this has to do with science (or why you are so opposed to it). Despite what you think Science and Religion are not competing ideas and attempting to rubbish Science does not make your concept of sky fairies any more credible.

Any Christian who promotes a message of superiority has completely missed the message.

 

[manlyfan76]

Mate I’m not going to bother going round and round in circles on the who created God debate again. I have responded above already... if you disagree you disagree.

Sorry I didn't get your answer.
I don't really think it's going round and round.
I posted that I believe it to be a flawed argument to say you cannot create something out of nothing (big bang) but god created everything.
You went off on a tangent and didn't answer the question.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Any Christian who promotes a message of superiority has completely missed the message.

Like Izzy?
How do you know? Maybe you missed the message - maybe we should be enslaving those that don't agree with us and raping their women, maybe you shouldn't eat cows or shellfish. Because that is exactly what other religious people past and present would tell you. And that is the danger of religious protection - it's not based on facts and proof its based on interpretation.

Mate I’m not going to bother going round and round in circles on the who created God debate again. I have responded above already... if you disagree you disagree.

Thing is - if you cannot produce any proof to support your medieval belief system then it has zero relevance on how you should be allowed to act or give you any sort of protection when you do something unacceptable by our modern societies standards.
I don't have a problem with religion, I have a BIG problem with its use to discriminate against others and promote ignorance.

 

[Kevinward777]

It's an irrelevant issue, and one your using to distract the point again. Believe me there is plenty of passion there for the problem - but it doesn't sell ad space so it's not discussed.
But what your now saying is that because some minorities have it better than before that that's enough? I'm pretty sure we can do more than one thing at once and continuously work towards a better world for all.

In terms of believing all are equal - you can claim that YOU believe it (as a good christian/whatever) but the fact is there are many who preach and follow religions that do not. Which makes religious protection laws are a terrible idea and a terrifying one for those who will be persecuted by those protected by them.

I couldn’t really care less about religious freedom in the context of which you are referring. In fact it bothers me not at all. I don’t attend a church or identify under the banner of any “Christian” corporation. Although there are many Christians who are being put to death in various parts of the world right now in countries that don’t have any religious protection laws, but I won’t even bother going there.

I am often times appalled by the behaviour exhibited by people who profess to be Christian with their mouths. I myself fall short of the standards of Jesus every single day...

I believe in justice for all, compassion for all, equality for all. You have never once written a single word of support for any Christian person, their rights, or their freedom to live as they choose. This thread is saturated with your thinly veiled mockery of anyone who claims to have a faith in God, and then you jump on your platform and start trumpeting human rights.

If I saw anyone who claimed to be a Christian doing that to another person it would infuriate me and I would act. But whatever man... think what you want.

You keep saying that’s terrifying etc... I just don’t know how to respond to all of that.

 

[Kevinward777]

Like Izzy?
How do you know? Maybe you missed the message - maybe we should be enslaving those that don't agree with us and raping their women, maybe you shouldn't eat cows or shellfish. Because that is exactly what other religious people past and present would tell you. And that is the danger of religious protection - it's not based on facts and proof its based on interpretation.


Thing is - if you cannot produce any proof to support your medieval belief system then it has zero relevance on how you should be allowed to act or give you any sort of protection when you do something unacceptable by our modern societies standards.
I don't have a problem with religion, I have a BIG problem with its use to discriminate against others and promote ignorance.

Again you claim to know my belief system... I believe in the love of Jesus Christ and what he did on a cross.

 

[mozgrame]

Howdy boys...what's crackin'?? Thought I'd drop by and say g'day...I've been busier than a chinese brothel on half price night!!! LOL!

So....where are we? Muzz has the sh1ts with religion because of the wife beaters, and he has a BIG problem with its use to discriminate against others and promote ignorance.

How exactly would atheism and stomping on religion solve the problems of the world? Hmmm...I know...we should ask the good (and poorly treated) people of Nth Korea if they have any ideas.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

I couldn’t really care less about religious freedom in the context of which you are referring. In fact it bothers me not at all. I don’t attend a church or identify under the banner of any “Christian” corporation. Although there are many Christians who are being put to death in various parts of the world right now in countries that don’t have any religious protection laws, but I won’t even bother going there.

I am often times appalled by the behaviour exhibited by people who profess to be Christian with their mouths. I myself fall short of the standards of Jesus every single day...

I believe in justice for all, compassion for all, equality for all. You have never once written a single word of support for any Christian person, their rights, or their freedom to live as they choose. This thread is saturated with your thinly veiled mockery of anyone who claims to have a faith in God, and then you jump on your platform and start trumpeting human rights.

If I saw anyone who claimed to be a Christian doing that to another person it would infuriate me and I would act. But whatever man... think what you want.

You keep saying that’s terrifying etc... I just don’t know how to respond to all of that.

What is your view on Izzy then? Does he have a right to express outdated and hateful views without repercussions?
I don't go on social media for no reason to tell Christian's how ridiculous their beliefs are - UNLESS they want to use their religion as an excuse to vilify others OR they want to state opinions and claims as facts. If you want to make your views and opinions public and push an agenda through them then there is a right for others to critique them. To not allow that right would encourage ignorance over rational thought and investigation.

If you're feeling vilified then at least you don't work in Silicon Valley

or Egypt, the middle East, Pakistan, parts of Africa etc. But then that goes back to my point - if you don't fit in to the status quo of the prevalent religion you will probably suffer. So maybe we should examine these religions with the criticisms they deserve.

 

[Kevinward777]

Howdy boys...what's crackin'?? Thought I'd drop by and say g'day...I've been busier than a chinese brothel on half price night!!! LOL!

So....where are we? Muzz has the sh1ts with religion because of the wife beaters, and he has a BIG problem with its use to discriminate against others and promote ignorance.

How exactly would atheism and stomping on religion solve the problems of the world? Hmmm...I know...we should ask the good (and poorly treated) people of Nth Korea if they have any ideas.

Ohhh... welcome back son.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Howdy boys...what's crackin'?? Thought I'd drop by and say g'day...I've been busier than a chinese brothel on half price night!!! LOL!

So....where are we? Muzz has the sh1ts with religion because of the wife beaters, and he has a BIG problem with its use to discriminate against others and promote ignorance.

How exactly would atheism and stomping on religion solve the problems of the world? Hmmm...I know...we should ask the good (and poorly treated) people of Nth Korea if they have any ideas.

Welcome back Moz! You've been (sort of) missed
Also @Kevinward777 doesn't like answering questions.

 

[mozgrame]

Sorry I didn't get your answer.
I don't really think it's going round and round.
I posted that I believe it to be a flawed argument to say you cannot create something out of nothing (big bang) but god created everything.
You went off on a tangent and didn't answer the question.

Science and belief go hand in hand..and both can be twisted. Christians believe God created everything. Science is pointing towards a creator more now than ever before.

Big bang theorists make up their own "sky fairies" and invent convenient "reasons" when explaining the big bang. Dark matter, dark enegy.....

As for the old, something from nothing question...from a christians point of view, God is and always has been. How can anyone say that??? Well...we know that nothing comes from nothing, right? We'd have to agree on that surely. So...lets go further....if nothing comes from nothing...then nothing woould be in existance now, yeah??

But things do exist, so something must have been in existance the whole time, otherwise...where did it all come from?

A christian would say, "From an intelligent creator".

A non beliver would have you believe that billions of years ago...absolutely nothing exploded for no apparent reason and created everything!

 

[MuzztheEagle]

@mozgrame, what was God doing before he created the earth/universe?
I'm guessing fishing

 

[mozgrame]

Izzy is one of the unfortunate (and there are sooooooo many like him). He misses the point Jesus made and TRIED to drum into us.

We are supposed to love each other unconditionally, forgive each other unreservedly and help each other tirelessly. The work of a christian is to expose everyone to the gospels and let them choose with their own free will.

WE are not to judge or cast stones.

 

[mozgrame]

@mozgrame, what was God doing before he created the earth/universe?

Whatever he wanted to I guess. That's none of my business.