more COVID discussion

[Kevinward777]

79000 plus adverse reactions - from a vaccine that has no data about the long term effect on people's health. Imagine if this information was available at the beginning of the roll out. Fingers crossed it doesn't cause long term harm to many in years to come.

 

[Kevinward777]

It's no different to the way they changed their tune from that which was spun in March and April. Remember how they said the virus can't host in a vaccinated person, and it would stop transmission? Now, they say we are less likely to get sick and die. That's a big, big, difference. It blows my mind that people don't seem to care. Whoops you all got it wrong, yeah, that's okay. No problem.

Even worse are the people who say they never claimed that at all - talk about simple minded.

 

[Kevinward777]

Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines may reduce coronavirus transmission

The mRNA vaccines are about 90 percent effective at blocking coronavirus infection, which could lead to reduced transmission, real-world data suggest.

www.sciencenews.org

 

[Kevinward777]

Yes, vaccines block most transmission of COVID-19

The latest data show that getting a shot not only protects vaccinated individuals, it reduces the chance they can spread the virus to others.

www.nationalgeographic.com

 

[Kevinward777]

It's official: Vaccinated people don't spread COVID-19

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky this week declared that "vaccinated people do not carry the virus."

fortune.com

 

[Kevinward777]

Vaccines Stop COVID-19 Infection, But Here’s Why You Still Need to Wear a Mask For Now

New real-world data backs up early hints that the COVID-19 vaccines can protect people from getting infected with the virus in the first place. But that doesn’t mean vaccinated people can get rid of their masks just yet.

time.com

 

[Kevinward777]

Vaccines could prevent asymptomatic infection. Here's why that's key to ending the pandemic.

If vaccines can halt asymptomatic spread, then "you could potentially vaccinate your way out of the epidemic," one expert said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Kevinward777]

There's literally hundreds more. Now they are reporting that a third dose will greatly reduce transmission as in the article below.

 

[Kevinward777]

Third vaccine dose reduces transmission and severe COVID-19 nationwide in Israel

A new preprint investigates the efficacy of a booster vaccine on a nationwide scale in reducing viral spread and the number of severe COVID-19 cases.

www.news-medical.net

 

[Kevinward777]

Israel are rolling out their fourth dose now.

 

[Kevinward777]

But yeah, the usual smart asses enjoy mocking those who are sceptical. The so called science buffs.

 

[Kevinward777]

Israel Considers 4th Vaccine Dose, but Some Experts Say It’s Premature (Published 2021)

Some scientists warn that too many shots might actually harm the body’s ability to fight the Covid-19 virus. But Israeli experts say there isn’t time to wait.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Kevinward777]

Israel begins fourth Covid-19 dose vaccine rollout for people 60 and over as Omicron cases surge

Israel is to begin rolling out a fourth dose of the coronavirus vaccine with immediate effect for people ages 60 and over, medical workers and people with suppressed immune systems, the Prime Minister's Office announced Tuesday, following a recommendation from the country's panel of coronavirus...

www.cnn.com

 

[Kevinward777]

Video: Israel Approves 4th Covid Vaccine Dose for People 60 and Over

Prime Minister Naftali Bennett announced that Israel would offer a fourth dose of the coronavirus vaccine to medical workers and people age 60 and above, making it the first country to broadly roll out an additional booster.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Kevinward777]

I have posted these articles as a few on here have asked for information. I have only posted articles from sources deemed trustworthy by the mainstream media.

 

[Volley]

I think trying to make the point that because vaccinated people can die from Covid it means the vaccine doesn’t provide any benefit is a very weak argument.

It clearly helps in reducing transmission and severe illness.

I’d like some creditable sources of either:
1. Covid not being dangerous; or
2. Vaccines not providing any substantial benefit.

That pile of **** Rafferty posted earlier contains neither. The fact you need boosters doesn’t qualify for 2, as this has been common knowledge once mutations started appearing.

Why do you trust the tetanus vaccine but not any Covid vaccines?

 

[Kevinward777]

I think trying to make the point that because vaccinated people can die from Covid it means the vaccine doesn’t provide any benefit is a very weak argument.

It clearly helps in reducing transmission and severe illness.

I’d like some creditable sources of either:
1. Covid not being dangerous; or
2. Vaccines not providing any substantial benefit.

That pile of **** Rafferty posted earlier contains neither. The fact you need boosters doesn’t qualify for 2, as this has been common knowledge once mutations started appearing.

Why do you trust the tetanus vaccine but not any Covid vaccines?

Because the tetanus boosters went through a decade or more of clinical trials. Aaaaand the narrative around these Covid vaccinations changes on a weekly basis. In September Israel was reported as winning the Covid war after administering the third booster. In December they are rolling out a fourth as Omicron runs rampant. Then there's the 79000 plus adverse reactions in Australia alone. That might also have something to do with my reluctance to go and get the booster.

 

[Volley]

Because the tetanus boosters went through a decade or more of clinical trials. Aaaaand the narrative around these Covid vaccinations changes on a weekly basis. In September Israel was reported as winning the Covid war after administering the third booster. In December they are rolling out a fourth as Omicron runs rampant. Then there's the 79000 plus adverse reactions in Australia alone. That might also have something to do with my reluctance to go and get the booster.

Thanks for answering.

Unfortunately we couldn’t really wait a decade with this one. The danger was already here and needed action.

Viruses mutate, maybe the next variant will be even more dangerous and more resistant to vaccination. Maybe it will be milder. Vaccines provide the best way of avoiding further mutations.

Unfortunately a lot of things cause adverse reactions, after every vaccine you have to wait around 10-15 minutes to make sure you don’t have an adverse reaction. They know the signs of serious adverse reactions with vaccines and how to treat it. The death rate from Covid itself dwarfs the death rate from vaccines though.

 

[ManEagle]

Sadly, all the overnight deaths were either double or triple vaccinated. I guess they might ask what was the point if they were still with us.

Does make you wonder, just how many more deaths there would be without the vaccine or booster and many more serious cases in hospital there would be.
A friend sadly passed away in a car accident when another car plowed into him, he was wearing a seatbelt, I guess he could ask the same thing if he was still with us.

 

[ManEagle]

I have posted these articles as a few on here have asked for information. I have only posted articles from sources deemed trustworthy by the mainstream media.

Thanks for posting them up Kev.
Though I haven't fully read through all, I did notice words just as May, Could, most etc, so my personal interpretation is that despite the overall content of the articles, there was never a 100% guarantee that vaccines would 100% cover deaths, transmissions etc. only reduce the chance.
Add to that the natural mutations and of course vaccines may lose their effectiveness against new variants which then require new doses. It isn't unusual, the Flu vac gets tweaked every year, the only unusual point to me is the short gap for this one, but then as Noval virus, is that to be expected with very fast mutations. I dont know, only time will tell.