Manase Fainu

[Peter C]

Only one of us will be right. I'll be sure to resurrect. I'm very confident.

Won't see him at all if found guilty

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

His shoulder is a huge hurdle he’ll have to overcome should the court case go in his favour.

Essentially even if he had not been charged two years ago, we probably wouldn’t have seen him play during that time anyway, so that tells you just how challenging the shoulder issue is.

Or perhaps jumping fences down parramatta way and spending time sleeping in a cell didn't allow the original surgery to heal properly?

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Only one of us will be right. I'll be sure to resurrect. I'm very confident.

Won't see him at all if found guilty

Jeez can you imagine if it turns out there is a microchip/nanotechnology/population control in the Vax. I will give you 1million to one @Kevinward777 will be on a old post captain hindsight resurrection campaign to end all campaigns.

 

[Kevinward777]

Jeez can you imagine if it turns out there is a microchip/nanotechnology/population control in the Vax. I will give you 1million to one @Kevinward777 will be on a old post captain hindsight resurrection campaign to end all campaigns.

Yeah but there won't be enough of us still here to annoy with it. @Woodsie would still be kicking along I reckon. He'd have no choice but to get along with me.

 

[Will on the hill]

Waiting for Manase feels like chasing a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. No matter how far we go it's always just over the horizon. At this point it feels like Manly having one of the most promising young hookers was all just a dream.

 

[Mitch]

Or perhaps jumping fences down parramatta way and spending time sleeping in a cell didn't allow the original surgery to heal properly?

Fair point mate.

Either way he’s got a battle both through the court system and this injury to play again.

 

[Eagles4Life]

Won't see him at all if found guilty

I'm not confident we will see him again in first grade. He has been out of the game for more than two years. He has a serious long term shoulder injury. This injury hasnt been resolved through multiple surgeries. The odds against him returning are pretty high, just considering those factors. Then there is the court case, which depending on the result, could preclude him from ever making a comeback. If he comes through all of this, and makes a successful comeback, it will be somewhat of a minor miracle. Good luck to him if he does.

 

[maxta]

After he had shoulder surgery and was outed for a well publicised incident, was back training with the NRL side, but the same shoulder was reinjured, I think Manly has shown plenty of loyalty due to both his obvious talent and the fact we have a few mare younger Fainu coming through, so Very important to keep the Super talented Fainu clan....the name will be well known amongst NRL in coming years.

 

[Darren]

It is pretty shocking how long the court case has dragged out. His NRL career is about gone but hard to fathom these shoulder injuries when not playing for so long. Such a gun hooker and real sad situation.

To be honest, IF he gets proven innocent he should and must sue the NRL for loss of income, sponsorship, reputation etc. I know he doesn't look great with his reputation and I imagine the NRL know details we don't but they would be looking at a huge liability case if he gets off, and so they should, he never did it.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

o be honest, IF he gets proven innocent he should and must sue the NRL for loss of income, sponsorship, reputation etc.

People don't get "proven innocent" in criminal trials. Prosecutors have the onus of proving guilt, and failing to prove guilt is not the same as proving innocence. Yes you retain your presumption of innocence at law but the jury verdict of 'not guilty' in reality only means 'not proved beyond reasonable doubt'.
Even if some evidence was to arise that could prove innocence, eg conclusive proof that someone else did it and that Manase was not involved, if the charges were reasonably laid based on the evidence available at the time then good luck getting compensation.
And the NRL stand-down policy has already been upheld in court, Debelin challenged it and lost.

 

[robbiea]

Wouldn't be too surprised if he never laces a boot again .

 

[Kevinward777]

A couple of the Islander boys from Penrith are adamant that he didn't do it and will win his case in court. The NRL is a small fish bowl. The players are usually in the know with most things. They will (in most cases) say nothing if one of their peers is guilty of something, but offer an opinion (in the right circumstances) if they believe a miscarriage of justice has occured. Other clubs are inretested in Fainu - they must believe his shoulder will come good.

 

[Kevinward777]

The big smoking gun in his court case will be the testimony of the "witnesses." Remember there were two opposing groups involved in this fight and Manase is very high profile, making him a good target.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

People don't get "proven innocent" in criminal trials. Prosecutors have the onus of proving guilt, and failing to prove guilt is not the same as proving innocence. Yes you retain your presumption of innocence at law but the jury verdict of 'not guilty' in reality only means 'not proved beyond reasonable doubt'.
Even if some evidence was to arise that could prove innocence, eg conclusive proof that someone else did it and that Manase was not involved, if the charges were reasonably laid based on the evidence available at the time then good luck getting compensation.
And the NRL stand-down policy has already been upheld in court, Debelin challenged it and lost.

This highlights why the NRLs position is flawed. You can’t play if you are charged - But you can play if there wasn’t sufficient evidence to convict you. And you can play after you have served your prison sentence. Now that’s logic!

 

[C_Eagle31]

People don't get "proven innocent" in criminal trials. Prosecutors have the onus of proving guilt, and failing to prove guilt is not the same as proving innocence. Yes you retain your presumption of innocence at law but the jury verdict of 'not guilty' in reality only means 'not proved beyond reasonable doubt'.
Even if some evidence was to arise that could prove innocence, eg conclusive proof that someone else did it and that Manase was not involved, if the charges were reasonably laid based on the evidence available at the time then good luck getting compensation.
And the NRL stand-down policy has already been upheld in court, Debelin challenged it and lost.

That whole "Failing to prove guilt/proving innocence" thing has been a topic of debate for a while within the world. I'm still surprised about how many people use these terms interchangeably, and I've heard them use these terms interchangeably with other serious cases.

If there isn't enough evidence to prove guilt beyond any reasonable doubt, they get off (Although it will still raise divisive opinions within the community, with people likely wondering if they actually did it.). If a person is definitely proven innocent (eg, Someone else fesses up, it is established that they acted under self-defence, duress, etc), they too will get off or at the maximum get a reduced sentence.

 

[Kevinward777]

That whole "Failing to prove guilt/proving innocence" thing has been a topic of debate for a while within the world. I'm still surprised about how many people use these terms interchangeably, and I've heard them use these terms interchangeably with other serious cases.

If there isn't enough evidence to prove guilt beyond any reasonable doubt, they get off (Although it will still raise divisive opinions within the community, with people likely wondering if they actually did it.). If a person is definitely proven innocent (eg, Someone else fesses up, it is established that they acted under self-defence, duress, etc), they too will get off or at the maximum get a reduced sentence.

And in some instances, compensation.

 

[manly al]

With Manase almost certainly an out for this season , probably more interest how Des will manage Croker and the amount of rest time for him in any given game . Mentioned it briefly previously but to keep Lawton on the bench with Walker and 2 props or 2 props and say Bulermor with Walker there . Walker seems more effective as that roving type sub and maybe a bit constrained in even a partial 9 role and with Jake then reverting to more a prop, general forward role regardless . But then to possibly cater for Lawton on the bench to cover a bit for Croker as he previously has . Walker would seem to be a must on the bench but for all of his undoubted all round ability , maybe not so much Lawton , guess only time will tell . .

 

[Compy]

With Manase almost certainly an out for this season , probably more interest how Des will manage Croker and the amount of rest time for him in any given game . Mentioned it briefly previously but to keep Lawton on the bench with Walker and 2 props or 2 props and say Bulermor with Walker there . Walker seems more effective as that roving type sub and maybe a bit constrained in even a partial 9 role and with Jake then reverting to more a prop, general forward role regardless . But then to possibly cater for Lawton on the bench to cover a bit for Croker as he previously has . Walker would seem to be a must on the bench but for all of his undoubted all round ability , maybe not so much Lawton , guess only time will tell . .

Des showed twice last that he carried Walker as a specialist utility, along with a backup hooker.
Cust & Walker
Lawton & Walker
I'd say he'll do the same again the season coming re managing Croker
Whilst I rate Bullermor, I find it unlikely he starts on the bench unless injury happens between now & then (pending Aloiai and where he's at with COVID)
I reckon the bench will be;
Walker, Lawton, Paseka, Keppie (this rotation would cover middle forward, outside forward, hooker, half and backs) - then a reserve list of; Sipley, Bullermor, Davey, Tuipulotu
I just have my fingers crossed that we have a healthy & unaffected pre season

 

[manly al]

Des showed twice last that he carried Walker as a specialist utility, along with a backup hooker.
Cust & Walker
Lawton & Walker
I'd say he'll do the same again the season coming re managing Croker
Whilst I rate Bullermor, I find it unlikely he starts on the bench unless injury happens between now & then (pending Aloiai and where he's at with COVID)
I reckon the bench will be;
Walker, Lawton, Paseka, Keppie (this rotation would cover middle forward, outside forward, hooker, half and backs) - then a reserve list of; Sipley, Bullermor, Davey, Tuipulotu
I just have my fingers crossed that we have a healthy & unaffected pre season

Good points but not so sure with Marty and Alioia as starting props but plenty of quality forwards vying for positions and providing they can all perform at or regularly close to their best , all good

 

[Eagle 1]

Des showed twice last that he carried Walker as a specialist utility, along with a backup hooker.
Cust & Walker
Lawton & Walker
I'd say he'll do the same again the season coming re managing Croker
Whilst I rate Bullermor, I find it unlikely he starts on the bench unless injury happens between now & then (pending Aloiai and where he's at with COVID)
I reckon the bench will be;
Walker, Lawton, Paseka, Keppie (this rotation would cover middle forward, outside forward, hooker, half and backs) - then a reserve list of; Sipley, Bullermor, Davey, Tuipulotu
I just have my fingers crossed that we have a healthy & unaffected pre season

Bench spots are at a premium this season, can't remember when it's been this hot for bench spots.