[Resurrected] Lol @ Parra

[Mal Cochrane]

Any reports he is upset about Parra leaking his letter to team to the press also. That was astonishing and i wouldn't think Keiran's or many players go.

 

[MYBOB]

Good on mybob for coming on here to have his say.

But it seems that someone has super glued his blue and gold glasses to his head.

Let me see if I can pop those lenses out mate so you can begin to get an untainted view of this

The punishment does NOT just relate to 2016. It stretches back over the last 5 seasons during which the Squeels systematically tried to gain an unfair advantage. TPA agreements that were not "at arms length" but were indeed guaranteed by the club means they are NOT third party. The fact that all they could manage to win over that time was a couple of wooden spoons and another equal last finish, matters not. It would be like a speeding driver claiming he shouldn't be fined because he didn't have an accident and kill anyone.

The team that was assembled was put together by paying overs for players that may well have signed for rival clubs had the Squeels not added an extra 100-200K to what was being offered elsewhere. A few dodgy invoices with the extra finding its way into a brown paper bag passed to a player under a table with a nod and a wink.

And how do Parra fix all this ? Do the board and the coach accept that they cheated ? (Yes, BA too. You're not going to tell me the coach has nothing to do with recruitment.) Do they just accept the punishment ?(which by the way was a slap with a feather. Just ask the Dogs and Storm). No. Parra, through their directors, seek an injunction in the supreme court. They attempt to once again deceive by claiming Watmough had a new injury which everyone knows he bought with him. We're Manly fans remember. We've been watching him for over 300 games. All so they can try and cheat their way to a premiership.

Do you remember how upset your mob were when they discovered the Storm beat them in a GF by breaching the cap ? How is what you did over the past 5 years any different ?

We'll agree the competition's not fair. TPA's, unfair scheduling and teams playing some teams once and others twice. But how you can sit there and try and justify what your club did beggars belief.

They should have been rubbed out of this competition. NRL appointed administrators should have been appointed so that no more dodgy deals could be done. And they should be forced to shed players.

Firstly, I did not attempt to justify what my club has done, I said it was not at same level as the Storm and the Dogs, a fair eye will see this.

The reported $3mil overs is in dispute as the NRL had not outlined its assessment in its PRELIMINARY findings. Our club disputes this figure, suggesting some double adding of breaches.

The court case: The five have taken out an injunction, this is about procedural fairness, that is all, they say that the NRL had not followed its own procedures and by the looks of things the NRL realise this as they are softening their stance. It is really only buying Sharp and his mob some time, it will not clear their name.

Thank you for having a rational debate, not like some illiterate posters both here and on 1eyedeel.

I think there is a case to be made that the whole TPA system is an epic fail, this being the system that allowed Darren Lockyer to play his last season as a $250K on cap player, while earning over $600K, a system that has the Roosters with $1.5million in TPA's.

I heard the boys on MMM talking about TPA's, they asked each other if they thought other club CEO's were active in the TPA market, they all laughed and said "of course they are, they all are because they have to be". How can this be a workable system, every contract negotiation with a player will factor in how much in TPA's he will earn, so as to frame his cap payments, so what happens? The CEO discusses the cap portion and then directs the player manager to go down the road and secure the TPA, but don't discuss it with the club, then return and reveal the at arms length figure, please! Let's not be idiots and buy into the NRL BS spin. The system is ridiculous. Every club is into it it's just that our dumb board documented it and were reported by a vendictive ex employee.

On Chocs knees, I will leave it to the NRL medical officer to decide if this was a new injury, you and others can speculate on it being a pre-existing injury, however the NRL will make that determination and the insurance company will also make that call in assessing the payout to Choc

It's going to make a great story, we are going to beat everyone as we make a run to the finals, no doubt it will really upset Manly and Bulldogs supporters, but what a great story, one that will told for years.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I did not attempt to justify what my club has done, I said it was not at same level as the Storm and the Dogs, a fair eye will see this.

On the contrary, you deny, justify, and minimise what the Eels have done.
- by saying the whole TPA system isn't right anyway
- and saying the NRL only have preliminary calculations so far and you might not even be over
- and saying Watmough's 'I'll do what's right for the club' is all above board
- and saying the fab 5 legal action is only fair and proper...

In fact, I can't recall hearing you admit that Parramata actually cheated at all!

 

[andyvb]

Might not be at the same level as storm and dogs, but was over a long period of time, it's just as bad... A fair eye will see this

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

'A great story.' So says Shoutin' Mybob.

Along with all those other great stories recounting decades of Parramatta's mediocrity. The countless wooden spoons; board infighting; bringing in a Sydney underworld associate (and his acolyte Monie) to coach your team his way, without interference from Bog Irish Denis and co. That was the only way you could win a premiership.

Great stories indeed.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

@MYBOB

I did thank you for coming on, and I do hope we are more rational than many BUT I agree with many others , all I read from Parra fans is " but we are under the cap" and " but everyone else's doing it" and " we didn't know about Choc's knees".

Come on mate , I take you for being smarter than most Eels fans ( certainly a step up from our old for Chief) but I agree with @SeaEagleRock8 , you, and other Eels fans are dilusionial if you just keep making excuses and skirting around the issue, regardless your club used illegal funding to put together a team it thought could win a Premiership. Wether it be this years team or the team in the lead up doesn't matter , you rorted the system and you should do the time!!

However, because of your mates at Chan Nein, and your limp wristed mate Toggy Greenslime who doesn't have the balls to make a decision your rorting team/system in fact still has a chance to play finals ( and in fact you proudly suggest you'll win every game to have the greatest football story of all time ).

Well mate quite frankly I find that appalling.

No worse than that it's an absolute sham of gigantic proportions that I believe will change the game forever!

15 other CEO's are looking at this and seeing that due to the TV rights , and your popularity on FTA, that it's open slather for any of the " populist" sides to Rort the system and just get a slap on the wrist.

Mark my words @MYBOB , your words are a dark dark day for the game of Rugby League.

It's no longer " do the crime pay the time" it's " depending on who you are you might get a little slap on the wrist or we'll deduct a few points to make it look ok".

 

[MadMarcus]

@MYBOB - how would you feel if Manly signed Norman, Scott, Jennings, Radradra and a couple of your **** forwards over the next few years to build a potentially premiership winning team, decimating yours in the process, and then it was discovered that Manly had been cheating for years and that's how we were able to do it? Parra fans would be asking for Manly to be kicked out of the comp.

Well that's what you did to us signing Foran, Watmough, Hopoate, Gutherson, Gower and Hasson...

We want blood, just like you would if the shoe was on the other foot.

 

[Rex]

A medically forced retirement is when the player accepts medical advice and throws in the towel. A clear decision. This is what happened to Moltzen.

A salary cap forced retirement is when a player keeps his options of playing open - and negotiates whether he will retire to solve a cap problem. Choc, clearly, has never retired.

This is all bs. And in addition, that a retrospective retirement is even being considered highlights how corrupt the whole Greenberg process has become.

 

[nightster]

what blows me away about this whole sham is the lack of outrage from other clubs ... and all the little interviews on NRL360 of coaches all endorsing Turd Greeneel for his handling of the crime !!!! where is the anger or are they all to scared that their own clubs might not stand up under an investigation into salary caps?

 

[MYBOB]

'A great story.' So says Shoutin' Mybob.

Along with all those other great stories recounting decades of Parramatta's mediocrity. The countless wooden spoons; board infighting; bringing in a Sydney underworld associate (and his acolyte Monie) to coach your team his way, without interference from Bog Irish Denis and co. That was the only way you could win a premiership.

Great stories indeed.

Actually it is two spoons, not countless. I don't know what the underworld reference means.

Yes we have been mediocre and yes we have a continual saga of board infighting and despite this we are still one of the key teams in the NRL with very high TV ratings and a massive increase in membership through this mediocre period.

I'm thinking of relocating the family to the Northern Beaches, undeniably Gods garden, the best area in Sydney, how will I get on wearing my Eels colours down the Corso.

I may have to adopt the Eagles as my second team, now that the traitor (jokes) Lyons is retiring

 

[MYBOB]

@MYBOB

I did thank you for coming on, and I do hope we are more rational than many BUT I agree with many others , all I read from Parra fans is " but we are under the cap" and " but everyone else's doing it" and " we didn't know about Choc's knees".

Come on mate , I take you for being smarter than most Eels fans ( certainly a step up from our old for Chief) but I agree with @SeaEagleRock8 , you, and other Eels fans are dilusionial if you just keep making excuses and skirting around the issue, regardless your club used illegal funding to put together a team it thought could win a Premiership. Wether it be this years team or the team in the lead up doesn't matter , you rorted the system and you should do the time!!

However, because of your mates at Chan Nein, and your limp wristed mate Toggy Greenslime who doesn't have the balls to make a decision your rorting team/system in fact still has a chance to play finals ( and in fact you proudly suggest you'll win every game to have the greatest football story of all time ).

Well mate quite frankly I find that appalling.

No worse than that it's an absolute sham of gigantic proportions that I believe will change the game forever!

15 other CEO's are looking at this and seeing that due to the TV rights , and your popularity on FTA, that it's open slather for any of the " populist" sides to Rort the system and just get a slap on the wrist.

Mark my words @MYBOB , your words are a dark dark day for the game of Rugby League.

It's no longer " do the crime pay the time" it's " depending on who you are you might get a little slap on the wrist or we'll deduct a few points to make it look ok".

Actually I think it is "do the crime do the time" it's just the time depends on the crime. $1million fine and all points accumulated this year wiped out, come on that's not a slap with a wet lettuce.

Despite my bravado about winning all our games, the reality is, it's a massive task for us to make the finals and most likely we won't and even if we scrape in on 28 points we would be all burnt out and be fodder for the Cowboys or Broncos.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Actually it is two spoons, not countless. I don't know what the underworld reference means.

Yes we have been mediocre and yes we have a continual saga of board infighting and despite this we are still one of the key teams in the NRL with very high TV ratings and a massive increase in membership through this mediocre period.

I'm thinking of relocating the family to the Northern Beaches, undeniably Gods garden, the best area in Sydney, how will I get on wearing my Eels colours down the Corso.

I may have to adopt the Eagles as my second team, now that the traitor (jokes) Lyons is retiring

I am referring to the history of Parramatta in its entirety when discussing 'spoons. I believe it stands at 13?

Gibson was on the door at Thommo's Two Up School hence the reference. That is fact, read an online obituary. I would recommend the SMH one.

Of course I won't mention the widespread rumours of decades gone by, re: Gibson's association with a colourful Sydney racing identity (read underworld figure). Those are merely allegations.

I'm not sure what your beef with Cliff Lyons might be? Perhaps you meant Jamie Lyon?

 

[MYBOB]

On the contrary, you deny, justify, and minimise what the Eels have done.
- by saying the whole TPA system isn't right anyway
- and saying the NRL only have preliminary calculations so far and you might not even be over
- and saying Watmough's 'I'll do what's right for the club' is all above board
- and saying the fab 5 legal action is only fair and proper...

In fact, I can't recall hearing you admit that Parramata actually cheated at all!

Actually I did say our board were foolish, they concocted a plan to reduce the cap payments by shifting the money into TPA. I said this is outside the NRL guidelines and therefore illegal in the NRL world.

The 5 are challenging the NRL on procedural fairness, I didn't say that I believe it's fair and proper, I have called for them (on 1eyedeel) to walk away and have us rid of them.

While I understand every club abuses the pathetic TPA allowances, we were caught so tough luck we get punished and we have been.

So in Fairness, I'm not denying, I'm not justifying but I am making a case for minimising the crime in the eyes of the opposition fans. I appreciate that while you guys disagree with me, maybe some of you may reconsider the Eels crimes as in the worst case, aka the Storm.

I will say you guys have been hard but fair in your replies, without a barrage of insults, I am thinking of joining the Kennel (Bulldogs forum) and making the same post, I wonder how that will be received.

 

[MYBOB]

I am referring to the history of Parramatta in its entirety when discussing 'spoons. I believe it stands at 13?

Gibson was on the door at Thommo's Two Up School hence the reference. That is fact, read an online obituary. I would recommend the SMH one.

Of course I won't mention the widespread rumours of decades gone by, re: Gibson's association with a colourful Sydney racing identity (read underworld figure). Those are merely allegations.

I'm not sure what your beef with Cliff Lyons might be? Perhaps you meant Jamie Lyon?

Ok fair enough about the spoons, I was thinking in the modern era.
Haha yes I have nothing against Cliffy, well spotted.

 

[Woodsie]

It's not all doom and gloom for parra.

They only need 4 more spoons to eclipse the greatest wooden spoon collection in the history of Rugby League, the West Magpies with 17.

It took Wests 92 years, but with only 69 years up, Parra are certainly worthy contenders for the worst club in history.

 

[TagMonster]

Parra fans need to accept they have been caught cheating the cap 5 of the last 6 years. It doesn't matter whether they believe other teams are cheating too or the degree or reasons for cheating. They were caught cheating numerous times in a systematic manner. The fact they only lose 12 points is a farce.

As has been outlined in a number of news articles, what if another club is caught cheating, lets say by half the amount of Parra, in say round 18. They are running in the top four and look to be set for the finals. They lose all their points like Parra, but because it's late in the season are no chance of the finals. Meanwhile, Parra haven't lost a game and look to play finals footy and are the in form team having lost no players other than Choc due to retirement. Does that seem like a fair and equitable situation?

The NRL have missed the mark on this one. If you cheat and are found to be over the cap you play for zero points. I don't care how "soul destroying" it is for the fans. That's the only fair way to address this problem.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Actually I did say our board were foolish

You did indeed, and no-one doubts that for an instant.

However, just once, I would like to hear you say the words, 'yes the foolish Eels board was dishonest, we cheated'...!!

And I would also like to hear your response to @MadMarcus post #2161, before you depart to engage in civilised discussions with Dog fans.

 

[MYBOB]

You did indeed, and no-one doubts that for an instant.

However, just once, I would like to hear you say the words, 'yes the foolish Eels board was dishonest, we cheated'...!!

And I would also like to hear your response to @MadMarcus post #2161, before you depart to engage in civilised discussions with Dog fans.

#2167, I said it was illegal. In other words cheating. I maintain this is in no way a crime to the level of running two sets of books and two sets of contracts, buying boats for players etc. Yes our board cheated and we have been punished, harshly but fairly.

 

[MYBOB]

@MYBOB - how would you feel if Manly signed Norman, Scott, Jennings, Radradra and a couple of your **** forwards over the next few years to build a potentially premiership winning team, decimating yours in the process, and then it was discovered that Manly had been cheating for years and that's how we were able to do it? Parra fans would be asking for Manly to be kicked out of the comp.

Well that's what you did to us signing Foran, Watmough, Hopoate, Gutherson, Gower and Hasson...

We want blood, just like you would if the shoe was on the other foot.

SeaEagleRock8 has asked me to reply to your post.

If you equate Foran, Watmough, Gutherson, Gower and Hasson to Norman, Radradra, Scott, Jennings and a couple of our best forwards like Manu Mau or Tepai you are joking surely?. Foran is great no doubt, but Gower is a fringe first grader with us, Watmough has been a dud for us, Gutherson? can you take him back please, he us the most ridiculed player in our side and Hasson? Who is he? he plays for Wenty doesn't he?

Like Manly did back in the day, raiding Wests to buy the best players, if you did it to us by cheating we would be going off. However I don't think we have decimated any side, Norman wasn't wanted by the Broncos, we found Semi, Scott was released from Newcasle on compassionate grounds as he had an ill child in Westmead, Jennings wasn't wanted by the Roosters (why?) Do you guys miss Gutherson? Or Hasson?

So Foran is the only big name we signed in a battle with another side, hardly a decimation.

 

[HappilyManly]

#2167, I said it was illegal. In other words cheating. I maintain this is in no way a crime to the level of running two sets of books and two sets of contracts, buying boats for players etc. Yes our board cheated and we have been punished, harshly but fairly.

Inflating invoices to pay the difference to Players in cash is in fact illegal.

ATO deems it a jailable offence.

Liquor & Gaming can withdraw Parra's liquor licence

NSW Police Fraud Squad is also investigating.

The Parra Office Holders have much bigger problems than the Team losing points. Hence their delay tactics, using Parra money, to launch legal action. 😎

Their ineptitude has opened up a can of problems that are way out of their league to handle