Kelma Tuilagi

Snake's Alive!
Agree we don't need much. But Townsend steady, whilst not offering much in attack, its that steady, calm composed game managing conductor, there for the kick and on field talk we lack and will lack even more minus Foz.

I've spent a decade of life hoping DCE becomes that more balanced half with field position, percentage play, coordinator, kicker but it's just not his first choice. Hes too run myself and attack at all cost, and not setting up the plays at 7.

If it's not DCE its really all on Croker to be an even bigger influence in this team, which to be fair he seems to be consistently take steps towards. But he'd have to keep up that trajectory.

Humphrys seems that game manager, but is he ready control this team in his first year. May be.
Whilst I agree that Townsend is a steady, calm and composed type, I still have DCE ahead of him, in terms of worth. Put it this way, if Townsend was at Manly in 2022, instead of DCE, I don't think we're any better off. I see the same issues with DCE that you mention, but his upside is so far ahead of anything Townsend does/can do, that we are better side for having him. Reynolds on the other hand, now there is a guy that could elevate Manly and make those around him better.

I put the Cowboys recent success down to good coaching, more than Townsend's influence. They've got strike players in Drinkwater, Holmes, the Hammer and co. It's been the defensive turnaround and energy from their forwards that has really elevated their position.
 
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Agree we don't need much. But Townsend steady, whilst not offering much in attack, its that steady, calm composed game managing conductor, there for the kick and on field talk we lack and will lack even more minus Foz.

I've spent a decade of life hoping DCE becomes that more balanced half with field position, percentage play, coordinator, kicker but it's just not his first choice. Hes too run myself and attack at all cost, and not setting up the plays at 7.

If it's not DCE its really all on Croker to be an even bigger influence in this team, which to be fair he seems to be consistently take steps towards. But he'd have to keep up that trajectory.

Humphrys seems that game manager, but is he ready control this team in his first year. May be.
Fair points but don't forget, all our champion sides have had attacking halves, not Chad Townsend types. People talk about clubs having a style or identity, well Manly's style has always been playing attractive attacking rugby league. Not so famous for dour defense, nor the crushing forward power game, nor the robotic error-free style. We aren't the only ones of course, Broncos have also played a similar style but Manly's been doing it for far longer.

But yes we need better smarts and game awareness, and also to play our traditional style we need more guns, but not many more, I think we are pretty close. Get Turbo back and increase our dummy half threat for example. We scored 5 tries v Cows, who were supposed to be the best defensive team.
 

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If Turbo stays fit next year we are a top 4 team - it is not only what he brings but the freedom he brings to other players.

I am also interested in Weekes as a bench player next year and see some upside in some of the kids coming through.

The question for me is can we compete with the panthers and how will the storm regenerate after losing most of their forward pack

2023 with the addition of the Dolphins, NZ being back hom and coach movements has the potential to be the most open comp in years...
 
If Turbo stays fit next year we are a top 4 team - it is not only what he brings but the freedom he brings to other players.
Not so convinced.
Turbo wasn't running so hot at start of this year before injury.
And team tactics seemed to be "give it to Turbo" instead of creating freedom for other players.
We are more forced to rely on other players creating when Turbo is not there.
 

lsz

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Not so convinced.
Turbo wasn't running so hot at start of this year before injury.
And team tactics seemed to be "give it to Turbo" instead of creating freedom for other players.
We are more forced to rely on other players creating when Turbo is not there.
We also had no Shu - which means you can focus on shutting him and DCE down
Fully fit there are a number of weapons in attack across the park
 
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Not so convinced.
Turbo wasn't running so hot at start of this year before injury.
And team tactics seemed to be "give it to Turbo" instead of creating freedom for other players.
We are more forced to rely on other players creating when Turbo is not there.

Agree entirely - the opposition teams worked out the Turbo factor, adapted and countered him - hence his really poor start to the season. How do you play Manly? Ask any opposition coach. Shut down Turbo.

Being so one dimensional, lacking the ability to adapt to the opposition, will leave you competing with the bottom teams, but being snuffed out by the top teams -- oh wait...

0 wins versus top 4 in 2.5 years
0 wins versus top 8 in the full season so far

When does Des coaching ability get questioned?
 
Bencher
I watched Tuilagi closely in the Tuggers V Dogs match and I was impressed with his tackling. That was somewhat of a surprise to me because I thought he was predominately a ball-running second rower.
He did nothing in attack but much of that had to do with the players around him.
I'm starting to think that he and Guacca will make a good second row combination for us next season.
He's kinda like a slightly lesser version of Guacca, can see this pairing really working for us.
 
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We also had no Shu - which means you can focus on shutting him and DCE down
Fully fit there are a number of weapons in attack across the park
A fully fit Tommy and Schuster from "round 1" 2023, will be something for our fans to feast on.
 
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What is the reason that the much admired Koala has only scored one try in his 12 NRL matches? This is an unacceptably low strike rate for a centre, and compares poorly against two of our maligned centres Parker and Harpo.
Whilst I have been impressed with Koala's defence, and his obvious speed when in space, I'm searching for reasons why he hasn't torn defences apart. Does he go looking for the ball enough? Does he back-up half-breaks? Is he not getting good early ball? This last reason doesn't really stack up when you consider he is playing outside club greats DCE and Foran, and attacking weapons such as The Shoe.
I'm hoping that he does shine in the second half of this season, and that when Turbo returns he will have more space to show he is a centre of excellence.
 
Snake's Alive!
Not so convinced.
Turbo wasn't running so hot at start of this year before injury.
And team tactics seemed to be "give it to Turbo" instead of creating freedom for other players.
We are more forced to rely on other players creating when Turbo is not there.
Playing the better part of this year without him will mean we should be more than a one trick pony next year.
 
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I like what I'm seeing in Garrick - his confidence at fullback seems to be growing with each game & he's injecting himself into attacking play more & more each game.

I noticed he chimed into backline movements a la Turbo (thanks to Snake) a few times against the Cowboys.
 
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There is no way that 2023 side can win a comp. Replace the entire bench, which is where we are failing this year.

Also need a new "matchwinner" but we dont have the money!
We have Turbo, DCE, Schuster, Koula, Olakau'atu , M Fainu next year. Surely there's a match winner or 2 in there. We're paying a couple of them enough to think they must be match winners every week. Or is it the coach who can't get the best out of them ??
 
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I reckon he will be good for Manly
You could throw many good players into this Tigers circus and they would look reserve standard.
Will work well off Schuster as runs good lines and is a handful, simply unmotivated along with most /All of them.
 
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The Cowboys turned things around with the same squad. All they added was Townsend and he is not setting the world on fire, he’s just steady.

We can compete next year with Turbo back, providing Des gets everyone up for it! Penrith went from missing the 8 to a premiership runner up in the space of a season, with the same roster.

RL issues are not born and solved with recruitment alone. Lots of factors go into performance. Too many variables to even mention. Eels get hammered by Dogs but beat Penrith at Penrith, with same players. Personnel is just one part of it.
Well, huge difference just there in being steady. Our half-man half-chook is anything but steady. He is the epitome of inconsistency

I wouldn’t be hanging your hopes on Tissue Turbo. I’d be investing in building a real TEAM. Synergy.
 
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Whilst I agree that Townsend is a steady, calm and composed type, I still have DCE ahead of him, in terms of worth. Put it this way, if Townsend was at Manly in 2022, instead of DCE, I don't think we're any better off. I see the same issues with DCE that you mention, but his upside is so far ahead of anything Townsend does/can do, that we are better side for having him. Reynolds on the other hand, now there is a guy that could elevate Manly and make those around him better.

I put the Cowboys recent success down to good coaching, more than Townsend's influence. They've got strike players in Drinkwater, Holmes, the Hammer and co. It's been the defensive turnaround and energy from their forwards that has really elevated their position.
Yeah, but none of those mentioned looked anything like strike players before this season. Strange game indeed.
 
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What is the reason that the much admired Koala has only scored one try in his 12 NRL matches? This is an unacceptably low strike rate for a centre, and compares poorly against two of our maligned centres Parker and Harpo.
Whilst I have been impressed with Koala's defence, and his obvious speed when in space, I'm searching for reasons why he hasn't torn defences apart. Does he go looking for the ball enough? Does he back-up half-breaks? Is he not getting good early ball? This last reason doesn't really stack up when you consider he is playing outside club greats DCE and Foran, and attacking weapons such as The Shoe.
I'm hoping that he does shine in the second half of this season, and that when Turbo returns he will have more space to show he is a centre of excellence.
I dunno… just ask Bozo. Speed kills and all that jazz
 
The Incomparable Immortal Bob Fulton
0 wins versus top 4 in 2.5 years
0 wins versus top 8 in the full season so far

When does Des coaching ability get questioned?

We have a top 4 team and a top 4 coach but we cannot beat a top 8 team

I like Des as he is one of my all time Manly Greats
But there is nothing Great about those stats of his

Under achievement Big Time

9 more games to go this season for Des to make amends and prove to us that he can still get his team up

Up to where the Manly Sea eagles belong !

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Let’s all have a chew!
Fair points but don't forget, all our champion sides have had attacking halves, not Chad Townsend types. People talk about clubs having a style or identity, well Manly's style has always been playing attractive attacking rugby league. Not so famous for dour defense, nor the crushing forward power game, nor the robotic error-free style. We aren't the only ones of course, Broncos have also played a similar style but Manly's been doing it for far longer.

But yes we need better smarts and game awareness, and also to play our traditional style we need more guns, but not many more, I think we are pretty close. Get Turbo back and increase our dummy half threat for example. We scored 5 tries v Cows, who were supposed to be the best defensive team.
If we had turbo on Friday we probably put 50pts on the cows for the 3rd consecutive time. Aside from Chad they are basically the same team as last year but a more galvanized unit. We on the other hand more like our 2020 version with the occasional flash of 2021.
 

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