Drop him now?

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Should he stay or should he go?

  • He should play on

    Votes: 15 34.9%
  • Drop the mongrel now

    Votes: 28 65.1%

  • Total voters
    43
He must go now. Lets be honest he has not exactly been setting the world alight on the field anyway. I only want players that WANT to be there on the field.
 
At the end of the day the club owners have created this mess. They ****ed up with Hasler, they ****ed up Gift , Choc and now they've ****ed up with DCE & Foz. Unfortunately the Penns are the only ones that are keeping this club alive but the way they are running it who knows for how much longer.
 
At the end of the day the club owners have created this mess. They ****ed up with Hasler, they ****ed up Gift , Choc and now they've ****ed up with DCE & Foz. Unfortunately the Penns are the only ones that are keeping this club alive but the way they are running it who knows for how much longer.

Mick that is exactly how i feel, alot of hate has been directed at the wrong people imo, the clueless idiots running our club have alot to answer for imo.
 
Technical Coach is spot on, it was very evident that Parra had much more oomph in their defence and more go forward thrust. Manly were passive in defence.
At least 5 of their trys came on the back of Manly not finishing a set, conceding a penalty and then conceeding a try within the next set. Our trys came from sustained pressure over about a 15 minute period.

They say that statistics dont lie, when you look at the match statistics they are pretty even but when it came to attitude and togetherness, we were light years behind them.

Team unity is the big thing now, if it is possible try and move on DCE if we can source a decent replacement otherwise we need to focus on getting the team back as a team.
 
Mick that is exactly how i feel, alot of hate has been directed at the wrong people imo, the clueless idiots running our club have alot to answer for imo.

They are paying for the previous structre...and will be for a while yet
 
Seriously does anyone think his position is tenable. Him playing in a Manly Jersey now defies logic. If Foran hadn't done his hammy we would have had a situation of two manly players being booed onto brookvale . This is not a football issue. We know he is the best option ability wise but this is about moving forward. he must go now!
 
Jesus talk about short term thinking

They have been in control for what, 6 months? Compared to years of incompetence - but yes let's burn them

They have the CEO they want not sure they have the coach they want (if not sack him) and we were told Penn was going 2 sign both before Christmas if you ask me (and I'm a fan of a single owner structure) Penn has some questions over his ability 2 run a club he has 2 get his hands dirty. Love him or hate him Rusty get's the job done Penn I'm not sure so far.
 
Seriously does anyone think his position is tenable. Him playing in a Manly Jersey now defies logic. If Foran hadn't done his hammy we would have had a situation of two manly players being booed onto brookvale . This is not a football issue. We know he is the best option ability wise but this is about moving forward. he must go now!

As in RIGHT NOW!!

Swap him for Elgy and $500K from the Titans, cough cough NRL and send him on QF 2015 this afternoon
 
Well said Panash. A thinking man...sick of hearing the Zorkelly rubbish been fed up to the fans. I am not referring to KF here, but rather the fact the players not to blame here. Poor effort, or rather it was what they wanted from the start.

GUYS ITS NOT JUST DCE FAULT !!!!! FORAN IS TO BLAME EQUALLY.... WITH CONTRACT RESIGNING. HAS FORAN RESIGNED ???? WHEN HE PROMISED US IT WOULD BE DONE BY THE START OF 2015.

also the club created more unnecessary media , if they knew that DCE was going this week , they gained nothing by making public they withdrew his contract.That statement had no impact on anything but kust made our coach look like an idiot on live tv.

last year alot of the players singled him out and criticized him and he did nothing wrong , he was still contracted and playing footy.CHOC DESTROYED HIS CONFIDENCE AND SOME OF HIS FRIENDSHIPS.

THERE IS NO UNITY IN THE TEAM . THE TEAM IS SPLIT 50/50.. So if GC offer him huge money and his not happy at Manly why would he resigned just to be criticized all over again

What i dont get is , all i hear is that gifty was released for DCE ( have we forgotten about back ended contracts , Foran is on the biggest money since day 1 ). DCE was still contracted at the time. If this was entirely the reason well shouldn't the club have signed DCE before letting go gift.

Thats not DCE fault , thats the clubs big mistake. With player managers involved how can anything be guaranteed 9 months out a deadline. - PRIORITY IS A SIGNATURE THEN YOU MOVE ON TO THE NEXT DECISION.
 
What part ? The part about Parramatta being as poor in many elements as Manly?
Still no explanation to read ?
They were better in every key area - you may have been watching a game from another season
Hard for Manly to stay in the grind when the middle lacks size,explosiveness, power and toughness, this is basically the only area where Parramatta had a clear advantage,(yes a big part but we made it easy for Parramatta) it had nothing to do with Parramatta having an all-round better game.

First half if anything Manly in many patches looked better but in the end if you lack size power and playing tough the defence will be more about containment/submissive, the go forward will lack penetration and not even hurt/drain the defensive line.

Parramatta's attack was nothing special, scoring a try off a tap restart pleasssse---more about Manly's issues than great Parramatta attack. Flooding areas with numbers in attack yeah Parramatta did that well.

I would actually like to see more teams have a more open minded attacking line where numbers go where the space is not just left and right players in general to catch structured "somewhat" zone defences lacking numbers---not just a FB or half off a second man play creating the overlap or wrapping around. The big risk is losing structure with players flooding at will but everything has to be in balance---pick your moments after creating space through structured plays or off the back of dominant go forward it is the science behind the play leading up that creates a conducive environment to flood open space.

The worrying thing is when teams feel like they are getting steamrolled up the middle they tend to play tighter not trusting the inside man one on one or not even trusting two man in which will expose the outside and isolate the smaller halves also.

In one instance DCE planted his feet was isolated and defending in too tight not trusting the middle and also inside defenders not getting across in numbers to protect across the field.

Weak submissive defence up the middle will cause havoc all over the park, the only way to work around this is improving the "slowing down of the play the ball" techniques that Melb in most part have been the benchmark or gang tackling with good technique which if not done well will expose the outside also.

This past few years Manly has obviously become more containment orientated in defence due to losing players and an ageing squad that is less aggressive and not winning the point of impact all that often.

Go forward needs more variation also to fatigue the defensive line and reduce point of impact, also looking for softer metres on the edges which we are known to do anyway.

So in short Parramattas completions were not that great(yeah first half), attack was nothing special, go forward was nothing special other than dominating with size and power when it counted in the second half----more about Manly playing poor than Parramatta playing well.

Defensively Parramatta was not great either on the edges and even through the middle at times---they will be caught out if teams maintain the intensity as there is laziness and fatigue on show.

Not saying Parramatta will not beat many sides at home with that performance but it was nothing special which is more worrying about Manly than Parramatta.

Going to be a lonnnnng season for some supporters here....
 
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Hard for Manly to stay in the grind when the middle lacks size,explosiveness, power and toughness, this is basically the only area where Parramatta had a clear advantage,(yes a big part but we made it easy for Parramatta) it had nothing to do with Parramatta having an all-round better game.

First half if anything Manly in many patches looked better but in the end if you lack size power and playing tough the defence will be more about containment/submissive, the go forward will lack penetration and not even hurt/drain the defensive line.

Parramatta's attack was nothing special, scoring a try off a tap restart pleasssse---more about Manly's issues than great Parramatta attack. Flooding areas with numbers in attack yeah Parramatta did that well.

I would actually like to see more teams have a more open minded attacking line where numbers go where the space is not just left and right players in general to catch structured "somewhat" zone defences lacking numbers---not just a FB or half off a second man play creating the overlap or wrapping around. The big risk is losing structure with players flooding at will but everything has to be in balance---pick your moments after creating space through structured plays or off the back of dominant go forward it is the science behind the play leading up that creates a conducive environment to flood open space.

The worrying thing is when teams feel like they are getting steamrolled up the middle they tend to play tighter not trusting the inside man one on one or not even trusting two man in which will expose the outside and isolate the smaller halves also.

In one instance DCE planted his feet was isolated and defending in too tight not trusting the middle and also inside defenders not getting across in numbers to protect across the field.

Weak submissive defence up the middle will cause havoc all over the park, the only way to work around this is improving the "slowing down of the play the ball" techniques that Melb in most part have been the benchmark or gang tackling with good technique which if not done well will expose the outside also.

This past few years Manly has obviously become more containment orientated in defence due to losing players and an ageing squad that is less aggressive and not winning the point of impact all that often.

Go forward needs more variation also to fatigue the defensive line and reduce point of impact, also looking for softer metres on the edges which we are known to do anyway.

Going to be a lonnnnng season for some supporters here....
The only truth is Parramatta were poor in completions - this area we matched them but it also shows how wrong stats can be as quality beats quantity in most cases.
I have seen many comfortable Manly victories when we lost penalties 2-1 & had 40% of possession & won by 40 points - they were clearly better all day & only poor field position made it competitive in the 1st half where they started sets 3 times in our half & scored 3 tries - pretty damning evidence.
As for your observation in slowing down the play ball area its a new game now. Its slowed down by belting the opposition & earning time from winning the contact as Souths & Parramatta demonstated pretty clearly in both games.
BTW - Dont give up the season off 1 game - its a funny game & by next Saturday night IF Manly get the win - the mood & atmosphere here wil be WAAAY different.
 
Drop him...
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Imagine if we'd played Souths, a scoreline of 74-0 comes to mind.

It's going to be a VERY long year , pleased I'm heading bush for a fair bit of it, at least that will insulate me from the pain .
 
Dont know how he can play with the rest of the team seeing what he has done. Situation is just insane the only solution I can see is let him go now either way he will pick up an injury that will conveniently put him out for 6 to 8 weeks.
 
Drop him now and we will have a loooong season ,make him earn his wage , Boo him if you wish but till our forwards put a shift in with attitude we will get played through the middle all day long ,too many soft nice guys in our Pack Lawrence, Symonds , Mateo, no mongrel in them you have to want to get over your opposing pack really give it to them we don't have that pack any more No team in the NRL fears our pack . We use to have that, teams said they hated playing against our pack they were sick and sorry for days that doesn't happen any more thats our problem , yeah drop the halves if they don't sign wont make any difference but when it looks like a player has sh#*%t all over your club through contract crap its a opinion you that hides the the true deficiency of our team Drop the player or players sacrifice our season cause no player is bigger than club cause us fans shouldn't be treated like that ,it hurts our club and fans . the club rolled the dice on trying to keep the halves together and lost and as fans we lost on all accounts
 

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