Coronavirus sucks.. but the NRL lives!

[susan]

Which cafe is that?

Shouldn’t laugh but they let 99 into Surfers RSL today and there were old roosters going crazy they were knocked back. Luckily I sneaked in at number 70.Brought down the average age by a few years. All the usual faces backing plenty of losers like me.
Another win to Gai
Real good horse Farnan and great ride by Hughie
Life goes on

 

[The '47ers]

My friends were out with a highly regarded bulldogs prop at a big boat party last weekend. They definitely aren’t being “locked down” any more than your regular citizen.

"Highly regarded Bulldogs prop"
That's a fine example of an oxymoron

 

[Heckenberg]

"Highly regarded Bulldogs prop"
That's a fine example of an oxymoron

He’s gone viral haha

 

[manlyfan76]

A budget in the black and stopped the boats for two plus an election win when 50 news polls said he would lose. Keep drinking the cool aid and keep the Kleenex close.

Stopped the boats? Lol they are letting boats full of sick people into the country.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Yes those with pre existing illness’s ( such as respiratory issues) will suffer , could die , but perfectly healthy ones won’t have an issue.

Hi Mark, what is the source of that view?
I'm aware many assume that young healthy people 'won't have an issue' but the articles you've actually just quoted (!) in my post are saying the opposite:

"But health experts are warning that it's not impossible for younger adults to have a severe form of the disease or even die from it, even those who don't have any other obvious risk factors.
Bruce Aylward, who led the World Health Organisation's recent mission to assess the pandemic in China, said his team found there had been many deaths in people without other health conditions, and in people decades younger than the groups deemed most at risk."

Great if most may be fine but can you define 'most'? It certainly doesn't mean 'all'. It's very important for everyone to get the best available info about the risk level, so please post links (or at least specify when its just your own gut feel or opinion) ta!

 

[susan]

Can’t see how quoting anything helps

I know half a dozen doctors with varying opinions and I’m sure the published information had just as many takes on it that may back up or denounce any theory.Finding one that backs mine or someone else means little.

Here’s one for the humanitarians ( of which I count myself as one ) who are baying wildly for a worldwide shutdown

Just a minor point raised recently by aid organisations

Anyone want to estimate the death toll in Africa and poorer parts of South America due to a mass global recession, collapse of already weak regimes and their feeble economies and the massive cut in foreign aid packages from countries who will be basically bankrupt themselves which will lead to starvation and disease.Without relying on any official estimates or published opinion or articles you don’t have to be is genius to work it out.
Is a corona virus death worth more than a death by starvation, by civil war in Africa , by suicide ?

Millions may starve or die of disesse

Do they matter ?
Out of sight Out of mind as usual but twice as bad
As a learned poster suggested in an earlier thread “ care to ask the 51.year old Sudanese mother of three In a mud hut with no water what she thinks of this”.

There is so much more to this than saving lives in the short term
US treasury and senior businessman have estimated the cost to the country as of NOW is already 9/11 plus GFC and then double it The first bailout package which future generations will pay for will be two to three TRILLION dollars. The first of many is the current thinking.
Before this virus occurred, if the US dollar was not the reserve currency of the world the US would be in receivership by any economic measure.. It currently owes about 23 rillion dollars which it pays for by essentially printing money.
Care to guess what it will be like in six months with total isolation. Boeing is bankrupt , all the massive hotel chains who employ millions are basically trading insolvent, almost every US airline the same and that is NOW. Throw in the fact small businesses are filing for bankruptcy in their thousands already In the north east and California

The lack of forethought in this is amazing Every decision taken solely in the prism of a virus that thus far is the weakest in terms of actual deaths of any major designated pandemic in history ... by a long long way Where is the big picture? . Every decision should come down to the total effect on lives in this world , not just those from a novel virus. In every crisis or war situation lives get prioritized. On current and projected figures I cannot see how they can possibly come up with this reaction if the big picture is looked at, not just for now but down the track and not just for wealthy and healthy Caucasian’s.

Why should that surprise us with the nanny state politics of today

Footnote. My partner just told me all usual insolvency practices in this country are being suspended by order of PM

 

[tookey]

Difficult to see anything other than a depression happening unless a vaccine can be found quickly

Pandemics usually have 2 and 3 waves of outbreaks and we are only just entering the first one

20,000 laid off at Qantas is just the start 36,000 people on the waiting list for a casual job stacking shelves at Coles last week

Weddings are being cancelled for the next 6 months , cafes, clubs restaurants are closing down

Mass unemployment will occur this year unless the govt hands out money to fund jobs for the next 6 months

If only the govt set up the sovereign fund to invest some of the profits from the mining boom of recent decades we would be able to survive this downturn

Unfortunately the govt like the NRL are run by morons and they have very little in cash reserves to use

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Can’t see how quoting anything helps

I know half a dozen doctors with varying opinions and I’m sure the published information had just as many takes on it that may back up or denounce any theory.Finding one that backs mine or someone else means little.

Just a minor point raised recently by aid organisations

Anyone want to estimate the death toll in Africa and poorer parts of South America due to a mass global recession, collapse of already weak regimes and their feeble economies and the massive cut in foreign aid packages which lead to starvation and disease Without relying on any official estimates you don’t have to be is genius to work it out.
Is a corona virus death worth more than a death by starvation, by civil war in Africa , by suicide ?

Millions. Do they matter ?
Out of sight Out of mind
There is so much more to this than saving lives in the short term
US treasury has estimated the cost to the country as of NOW is already 9/11 plus GFC and then double it
Care to guess what it will be like in six months with total isolation. Boeing is bankrupt , all the massive hotel chains who employ millions are basically trading insolvent, almost every US airline the same and that is NOW. Throw in small business are filing for bankruptcy in their thousands already In the north east and California

The lack of forethought in this is amazing Every decision taken in the prism of a virus that thus far is the weakest in terms of actual deaths of any designatedc pandemic in history ... by a long long way Where is the big picture? . Every decision should come down to the total effect on lives in this world , not just those from a novel virus. In every crisis or war situation lives get prioritized. On current and projected figures I cannot see how they can possibly come up with this reaction if the big picture is looked at, not just for now but down the track and not just for wealthy and healthy Caucasian’s.

Why should that surprise us with the nanny state politics of today

All very well to say they're getting it wrong - Why not give an example of measures you would prefer the govt to do (or not to have done)

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Can’t see how quoting anything helps

It helps reduce misinformation, obviously.
If I say its only my gut feel that XYZ, thats fine. Anyone reading can weigh it up for what its worth (probably nothing)
If I say XYZ is true, some feckless individual may believe that it is actually established fact, and may act on that 'information and end up getting themselves or someone else sick or dead.
So a very big difference. Especially with misinformation fuelling so much panic, a point I think you agree with

 

[Bearfax]

Pretty simple

Protect the vulnerable, get the majority back to normal work just as in all past epidemics that have been controlled without the destruction of society as we are seeing now, HINI in 2009 being the clearest example of a highly contagious disease that infected 60 million Americans and killed 25000 mainly younger citizens( and a half million worldwide).Interestingly the elderly were largely fine due to previous H1N1 immunity which does not happen with mass quarantine.

The obvious issue is the health system coping. A friend of mine ,a Brisbane doctor who runs a large Brisbane hospital says the virus could be coped with if only serious cases reported but the real issue is the modern generation who report to emergency rooms and doctors for a sniffle even in good times. We have produced a generation of entitlement and expectation and this is just another example.He is quite comfortable if only the pretty sick turned up. He says the strain will be caused by those who could simply treat it themselves but won’t and compromise people with harsher symptoms and other diseases.So once again we compromise for the fools.Throw in social media and it’s worse.

In any case even if we have to pour huge money into an massively overworked health system it will be better than what’s coming. Are people that blinded that they can’t see what’s happening. These economic indicators are so destructive yet all we hear is flattening the curve. It’s mind blowing. Do people realize what 20 per cent unemployment and -15 percent GDP looks like.It’s never happened In our lives so they probably dont.And the death toll stands at less than ten, same as a week ago. A death toll of a thousand and it’s still madness as 900 died from flu last year.
Anyway maybe as people see their retirement savings being flushed away ( another ten percent Monday) and they get sacked they might start to realize.. I hope so.

Big difference with 2009H1N1 disease was that though it was highly infectious and possibly infected over a billion people, it had a mortality rate of only 0.02%. That means two in ten thousand people who officially were registered as contracting the illness, died.

The Coronavirus and the 1918H1N1 (of which the 2009H1N1 was a variant form though a much less dangerous illness) hovered around 2.5%, meaning over two people out of every 100 died or are dying who are diagnosed with the illness.

Now the 2.5% might be significantly higher than reality, given its assessed that as many as 80% of people who contract these illnesses, receive such a mild reaction, and dont report it to doctors. However based on those known cases, the Coronavirus is displaying death rates, at this stage, at about 100 times more lethal that the 2009H1N1 illness and about on par with the 1918H1N1 pandemic.

 

[Budgie]

Big difference with 2009H1N1 disease was that though it was highly infectious and possibly infected over a billion people, it had a mortality rate of only 0.02%. That means two in ten thousand people who officially were registered as contracting the illness, died.

The Coronavirus and the 1918H1N1 (of which the 2009H1N1 was a variant form though a much less dangerous illness) hovered around 2.5%, meaning over two people out of every 100 died or are dying who are diagnosed with the illness.

Now the 2.5% might be significantly higher than reality, given its assessed that as many as 80% of people who contract these illnesses, receive such a mild reaction, and dont report it to doctors. However based on those known cases, the Coronavirus is displaying death rates, at this stage, at about 1000 times more lethal that the 2009H1N1 illness and about on par with the 1918H1N1 pandemic.

And then there's the clogged hospital - you have a car accident, heart attack, cancer? Sorry!
There is zero argument for not taking every precaution. Zero. Unless, of course, you're Alan Jones arguing exactly that from an isolated studio!

 

[mickqld]

Get all the teams out of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne NOW. Scomo is ready to lockdown major cities from tonight's cabinet meeting. Get ready for it people its coming. Gold coast maybe too considering we've had quite a few now.

 

[47MVEagle]

Read in the paper Russell Brand says he's stranded in a remote area of Australia due to the coronavirus ( Mullumbimby LOL)

Isn't Mullumbimby anti-vaxxer central?

 

[Woodsie]

If you ask a chess player what opening is the most dangerous one in the sense that you can lose quickly if you don't know exact moves you are supposed to play, then most probably you'll hear the King's Gambit, the Sicilian Defense or some other notoriously sharp opening.

My personal choice would be the Hanham variation of the Philidor defense (1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nd7).

No bloody idea what you are on about old mate .... but bugger any bastard that says you can't !

 

[Cioran]

Official government figures from 2 days ago. 1,072 Australians with Coronavirus. 1,070 of those have symptoms described as ‘mild’. 2 have symptoms described as ‘serious or critical’. One fifth of one percent of people who currently have the virus have serious health issues.

Early on when they were only testing the dead and the dying this looked like a disease with a very high mortality rate. Now that more people are being tested it’s not looking quite so threatening.

Doctors will always say that the healthiest person in the world “could” die from something. They don’t want to be pilloried if someone healthy does die. Healthy people do die from even the most innocuous seeming bugs.

each year in Australia around 18,000 people are hospitalised with the flu. About 3,500 of them die. No one is saying that Covid-19 is harmless we just want people to stop panicking.

the Chinese are sending 100,000 (about) testing kits. How about we spot sample these to make sure they are not already contaminated with the virus (I know, I’m a nasty suspicious person) than use 20,000 of these kits to check apparently healthy people across Australia. Get a statistically reliable measure of how many people are carrying the virus. After all, given the lack of symptoms, it’s unlikely Australian health professionals would have even noticed this virus if the Chinese hadn’t pointed it out to us. Do you think we swab every person who dies in a nursing home and culture every virus an bacteria in their body.

the Sea Eagles run on the smell of an oily rag. The loss of gate takings and club revenue this year may finish them off. Is the fear of getting ‘mild’ symptoms’ enough justification for killing not just the economy but also the club we love.

 

[Cioran]

Isn't Mullumbimby anti-vaxxer central?

Let’s have a little pity for the people of Mullumbimby.

 

[Woodsie]

The following are fiqures in today's paper ....

Italy
Total .. 47,021
Deaths .. 4032
Death rate ... 8.6%

USA
Total ..19,650
Deaths .. 263
Death rate .. 1.3%

Germany
Total .. 19848
Deaths .. 68
Death rate .. 0.3%

Have not heard any explanation of these widely differering death rates ... are Germans just tough biggers or ar the Italians just shiite at mediciene ????

 

[manlyfan76]

All very well to say they're getting it wrong - Why not give an example of measures you would prefer the govt to do (or not to have done)

Well they could have taken the advice of the WHO three months ago.

 

[manlyfan76]

The following are fiqures in today's paper ....

Italy
Total .. 47,021
Deaths .. 4032
Death rate ... 8.6%

USA
Total ..19,650
Deaths .. 263
Death rate .. 1.3%

Germany
Total .. 19848
Deaths .. 68
Death rate .. 0.3%

Have not heard any explanation of these widely differering death rates ... are Germans just tough biggers or ar the Italians just shiite at mediciene ????

Germany have a lot more beds and respirators/ ventilatiors per 1000.

 

[castle eagle]

they've just stopped all unnecessary travel and watching the footy show(afl because it was on).
they say that it will mean the end of the game for now at least. if so to wouldn't be any different from nrl