KOMORI
Born and bred an Eagle
They mentioned Glen Innes as “steamy”?!?? It was 7° here last night lol, and it’ll get to well below zero as per normal lol..
Coronavirus sucks.. but the NRL lives!
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The better Robbo
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This is what I cant understand. Swine flu had atleast 20x the deaths yet the world did not panic and shutdown... im not sure why the difference, if anyone knows the answer please explain. For me the difference is the media exposure and manipulation. Humans are sheep and this is just one huge example of that!
Terry Zarsoff
First Grader
No. It ran throughout the War.
The main diff is that while the other cases sars, mersa, etc are more deadly, they were also much, much better contained.
covid-19 isn't as deadly (percentage wise) as say ebola, but it's a lot more contagious giving rise to the problem of overwhelming the health providers leading to deaths that may not have occurred if all people could get treatment when seriously ill.
edit: Obv, I'm not mentioning the severity or structural composition of the different diseases, I'm just trying to offer a reason why we're all being asked to 'flatten the curve'. I think most people would rather catch covid-19 than ebola. Ebola tastes terrible, like cabbage.
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Bearfax
Grizzly old fart
Point taken EOL. But describing it as a form of the flu variations we are used to, is not quite what it is. Flu represents a number of variant viral infections, many of them mutations of other flu viruses. Covid 19 is a new virus not directly related to general flus though showing similarities because its adverse respiratory condition and many of the symptoms are similar. But Covid 19 being a new viral infection mutated from an animal not yet fully identified, is potentially 10-30 times more lethal than an average flu condition. In fact the death rate, based on the infections identified of the Spanish Flu of 1918-19 which killed 50-100 million people, is almost identical to Covid 19, that being around 2.5 per cent. Of course that figure is probably inflated because there are probably a much larger number of people who do and did not seek medical assistance for both illness and its possibly under 1%. But its still far more lethal than a common flu and over 30,000 people die from a flu virus around the world most years. If not stalled, the death numbers could be far far greater than that. Its therefore important to be careful and follow the medical advice being given.
Uk eagle
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completely agree, my dad has lung cancer, currently also has pneumonia and is in lockdown in hospital to protect him from corona virus. I don't mind taking my chances and carrying on as normal so long as he (and others in his position) are kept safe
ManEagle
Just a Man and his Eagle
Well mark you can vent and I will play for you the world's smallest violin
And Mark together We can make sweet vent-o-lin
Seriously though have been trying to get a puffer for my wife last 2 days there is none in a 200km radius at any pharmacy near us.
Back to brown paper bags not the roosters kind and Vicks. We were starting worry but She found 1 in the house and she is so happy looks like im actually getting somw tonight ....
Sweet vent-o-lin
Hope you have some luck soon mark it is a terrible sh1t fight at the moment due to inconsiderate selfish a holes
The difference is very simple
SOCIAL MEDIA
It just breeds this paranoia
Facebook , Twitter etc is God.
Take the madness and lies that were raging about a total shutdown before Morrison press conference. Total and utter fabrication by fear mongers.And most of the country believed it.
Social media was in its infancy a decade back.Obama was the first to really utilise it in 2008 election on a mass scale.
Until someone can explain why SARS ,EBOLA, HINI etc( which were far more deadly and killed so many more and not only the old and weak ) did not result in mind boggling panic then I don’t buy all this craziness.
Forget all the death rate mumbo jumbo. Simple fact is up to 500 000 people died from HINI worldwide, there were 60 million cases in the US resulting in thousands of deaths and guess what , 80 percent of people who died were people younger than 65 because only the elderly had previous immunity. And no real panic.
Throw in the 60000 dead from flu in 2018 in US and the numbers simply do not stack up and never will. I lived in Chicago in the nineties and the death toll in the ghettos amongst the elderly in their bleak winters was enormous and not a word about it.
Why try to protect 25 million when you can target, totally isolate and protect the 3 million who are at the highest risk. Can you imagine the protection and help we could give these people if we spent all this money on them and not people who won’t get a sniffle.And that takes away the issue of the idiots who would endanger the older folk.Our economy survives and so do they.
It’s madness.
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Totally different era. The depression was in the middle of two world wars. Hardship was a daily thing for many.Resilience was a given.Now they are in tears if their playstation breaks.Interesting reading on the Great Depression:
and also on suicide rates:
Despite Hard Times, People Lived Longer During the Great Depression | HISTORY
During the 20th century, Americans’ lifespans tended to rise and fall depending on the economy—but not in the way you might think.www.history.com
At the peak of the great depression suicide rates were around 0.02% of the population in the US. So I'd guess that @susan 's claim of suicide deaths outnumbering CV deaths would be unlikely. Plus all the decreased work and emissions could be great for our health and the environment in the long run 🙂
U.S. Suicide Rates Are the Highest They've Been Since World War II
They're up 33% since 1999time.com
I'm really hoping that the silver lining from all this will be that we start to think a little smarter and cooperatively as a whole. But I'm probably more terrified of the idea that the stupidity of humanity will make things worse for all of us, regardless of which way we respond.
50 to 70 people a week suicide in Australia( depending on where you get your data) so say around 8 to 10 per day over the last decade,and the post GFC years have been very prosperous in share markets and property. Times have been good, interest rates and unemployment low.
If this destroys as many people financially as it looks like doing then this virus had better get a real move on to even come close.Those suicide figures will double or triple.
The mental health and social issues that will come from this will vastly outweigh loss of life in this country. What about flattening that curve.Never gets a mention but mark my words this is the real danger of this panic.
And can we please stop with this UnAustralian rubbish, as if we are some special breed.Crisis shows the real underbelly of a society and the disgraceful activity we are seeing now shows just how different we are from our previous generations who fought world wars with courage.
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NRL CEO Todd Greenberg said the game will “go as deep and as far as we need to go” as more than 400 rugby league players have been ordered into immediate lockdown in a bid to save the season.
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More than 400 rugby league stars have been ordered into immediate lockdown as the NRL introduced strict self-isolation measures in a bid to counter the coronavirus pandemic and save the code from bankruptcy.
ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys has declared “the whole future of the game is at stake” with the NRL ramping-up its fight against the COVID-19 crisis by moving to protect their most important asset – the players.
V’landys, NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg and Rugby League Players Association boss Clint Newton were locked in high-level talks on Thursday night to thrash out a strict set of parameters NRL players must follow to keep the season alive.
As part of the NRL’s unprecedented stance to protect the sport against a coronavirus infection:
* Every full-time contract player from the NRL’s 16 clubs has been ordered to enter the code’s self-isolation program;
* All NRL players will be banned from nightclubs and crowded pubs;
* The NRL is bracing for the prospect of playing in empty stadiums until September – if the competition can survive that long;
* ARLC bosses have discussed moving the NRL’s showpiece event, State of Origin, from June until the end of the season; and
* The entire NRL playing community could be relocated to a warmer climate and housed in compound-style living when the traditional flu season hits in the winter months.
The Broncos are one club already prepared for lockdown, having prepared 30 bunk beds at their old administration offices at Red Hill.
Broncos players remained in their own homes ahead of Friday night’s round-two clash at a crowdless Suncorp Stadium, as the 16 clubs await the final details and delivery of the self-isolation program.
The Courier-Mail understands some of the measures will include players being ordered not to attend restaurants or frequent high-traffic areas in the general community such as cafes and shopping centres.
V’landys confirmed the code is determined to fight on by staging games and stressed the importance of keeping rugby league’s elite players from being infected with coronavirus.
“The whole future of the game is at stake. I can’t stress that enough,” he said. “It (self-isolation for NRL players) starts now.
“We will be in discussions immediately on this self-isolation program. We want to minimise the risk of a player contracting the virus. That is the worst-case scenario _ if a player contracts the virus.
“We will work with the RLPA to minimise the inconvenience of players, but extreme times need extreme measures and we will be taking some measures that will sacrifice some of the freedoms (that players) have now.”
The NRL have come under fire for pushing on when other sporting competitions have suspended their seasons. But with each successful round injecting around $14 million from broadcasters into the NRL’s coffers, the sport is walking a fiscal tightrope.
V’landys concedes the winter months could crippled the code, prompting the ARLC to discuss relocating players into camp-style living in warmer climates such as Brisbane, Gladstone and Townsville.
The NRL will finance private charter flights _ at an estimated cost of more than $300,000 per round _ to keep players protected during the self-isolation program.
“We’re moving into winter which is the normal flu season and that will add complication because people who get the flu will think it’s the coronavirus which puts more stress on the health systems,” V’landys said.
“We need to be agile for those contingencies and we are. That means possibly relocating the players somewhere else during the peak time.
“Our initial short-term solution is to keep the players in their current environment, to keep them where they are as long as they minimise the risk. This is more than just the players. They have elderly parents and families. It will protect the players and their families as well.
“It (the self-isolation rule) means reducing your social interaction. The detail we will work through with the clubs.
The State of Origin series opener is scheduled for Adelaide Oval on June 3. V’landys admits there is a possibility Origin – which is worth $150 million to the code – could be played before empty grounds.
“In the short term Origin is scheduled for the same time,” he said. “Some advice is telling us the stadiums could be closed until late September so we need to be ready for that contingency and we are.
“The consequences if we don’t play games is catastrophic. The losses we would sustain we can’t sustain.
“If we continue to play the whole season, the Origin series and the finals, that’s our best-case scenario. We would still incur a substantial loss but we can accommodate that loss.
“We can’t accommodate a situation where we can’t play the game. We don’t have sufficient funds.”
NRL CEO Greenberg said: “We have removed our crowds, all to assist the slowdown of this virus.
“Our intent is clear _ to play on, to give our fans the entertainment to brighten up in dark times.
“It’s absolutely vital our players do everything they can to stay healthy and keep the game healthy. Our absolute focus is doing everything we can to keep the game going and to meet our Telstra premiership schedule.”
RLPA boss Newton backed the self-isolation stance.
“We are absolutely supportive of the competition going ahead based on the expert advice the NRL has received,” he said.
“We will give the players an understanding of the restrictions that will be put on them.
“By including them in the detail, that gives us the best chance of them buying into what we will work through.”
Pete Badel, The Courier-Mail
Subscriber only
|
March 19, 2020 7:09pm
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More than 400 rugby league stars have been ordered into immediate lockdown as the NRL introduced strict self-isolation measures in a bid to counter the coronavirus pandemic and save the code from bankruptcy.
ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys has declared “the whole future of the game is at stake” with the NRL ramping-up its fight against the COVID-19 crisis by moving to protect their most important asset – the players.
V’landys, NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg and Rugby League Players Association boss Clint Newton were locked in high-level talks on Thursday night to thrash out a strict set of parameters NRL players must follow to keep the season alive.
As part of the NRL’s unprecedented stance to protect the sport against a coronavirus infection:
* Every full-time contract player from the NRL’s 16 clubs has been ordered to enter the code’s self-isolation program;
* All NRL players will be banned from nightclubs and crowded pubs;
* The NRL is bracing for the prospect of playing in empty stadiums until September – if the competition can survive that long;
* ARLC bosses have discussed moving the NRL’s showpiece event, State of Origin, from June until the end of the season; and
* The entire NRL playing community could be relocated to a warmer climate and housed in compound-style living when the traditional flu season hits in the winter months.
The Broncos are one club already prepared for lockdown, having prepared 30 bunk beds at their old administration offices at Red Hill.
Broncos players remained in their own homes ahead of Friday night’s round-two clash at a crowdless Suncorp Stadium, as the 16 clubs await the final details and delivery of the self-isolation program.
The Courier-Mail understands some of the measures will include players being ordered not to attend restaurants or frequent high-traffic areas in the general community such as cafes and shopping centres.
V’landys confirmed the code is determined to fight on by staging games and stressed the importance of keeping rugby league’s elite players from being infected with coronavirus.
“The whole future of the game is at stake. I can’t stress that enough,” he said. “It (self-isolation for NRL players) starts now.
“We will be in discussions immediately on this self-isolation program. We want to minimise the risk of a player contracting the virus. That is the worst-case scenario _ if a player contracts the virus.
“We will work with the RLPA to minimise the inconvenience of players, but extreme times need extreme measures and we will be taking some measures that will sacrifice some of the freedoms (that players) have now.”
The NRL have come under fire for pushing on when other sporting competitions have suspended their seasons. But with each successful round injecting around $14 million from broadcasters into the NRL’s coffers, the sport is walking a fiscal tightrope.
V’landys concedes the winter months could crippled the code, prompting the ARLC to discuss relocating players into camp-style living in warmer climates such as Brisbane, Gladstone and Townsville.
The NRL will finance private charter flights _ at an estimated cost of more than $300,000 per round _ to keep players protected during the self-isolation program.
“We’re moving into winter which is the normal flu season and that will add complication because people who get the flu will think it’s the coronavirus which puts more stress on the health systems,” V’landys said.
“We need to be agile for those contingencies and we are. That means possibly relocating the players somewhere else during the peak time.
“Our initial short-term solution is to keep the players in their current environment, to keep them where they are as long as they minimise the risk. This is more than just the players. They have elderly parents and families. It will protect the players and their families as well.
“It (the self-isolation rule) means reducing your social interaction. The detail we will work through with the clubs.
The State of Origin series opener is scheduled for Adelaide Oval on June 3. V’landys admits there is a possibility Origin – which is worth $150 million to the code – could be played before empty grounds.
“In the short term Origin is scheduled for the same time,” he said. “Some advice is telling us the stadiums could be closed until late September so we need to be ready for that contingency and we are.
“The consequences if we don’t play games is catastrophic. The losses we would sustain we can’t sustain.
“If we continue to play the whole season, the Origin series and the finals, that’s our best-case scenario. We would still incur a substantial loss but we can accommodate that loss.
“We can’t accommodate a situation where we can’t play the game. We don’t have sufficient funds.”
NRL CEO Greenberg said: “We have removed our crowds, all to assist the slowdown of this virus.
“Our intent is clear _ to play on, to give our fans the entertainment to brighten up in dark times.
“It’s absolutely vital our players do everything they can to stay healthy and keep the game healthy. Our absolute focus is doing everything we can to keep the game going and to meet our Telstra premiership schedule.”
RLPA boss Newton backed the self-isolation stance.
“We are absolutely supportive of the competition going ahead based on the expert advice the NRL has received,” he said.
“We will give the players an understanding of the restrictions that will be put on them.
“By including them in the detail, that gives us the best chance of them buying into what we will work through.”
NRL clubs halt player contract talks as uncertainty deepens
With 182 players without a contract beyond this season, 182 more off-contract after that and no guarantees for the game’s finances, NRL clubs are facing unprecedented uncertainty in securing players’ futures.
Fatima Kdouh, The Daily Telegraph
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March 19, 2020 8:20pm
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NRL clubs have halted negotiations with off-contract players as the uncertainty surrounding the impact of the coronavirus on the game deepens.
There are about 182 players without deals beyond this season.
There are 183 more players who will come off contract at the end of season 2021.
Under the CBA, next season’s salary cap was supposed to increase by $100,000 to $9.9 million.
But with the competition now operating on a week-to-week basis, any suspension or cancellation of the season would be “catastrophic”, according to ARLC chairman Peter V’landys.
“The losses we would sustain, we can’t sustain,’’ V’landys said on Thursday.
Players might be forced to wear some of the losses because of a clause in their CBA which allows the NRL to decrease the salary cap and other benefits if the game experiences a decrease in revenue in any year of the agreement.
The precariousness of the situation is also likely to impact some of the most high-profile off-contract players like Brisbane Broncos boom forward David Fifita and St George Illawarra forward Tyson Frizell.
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Fifita, who has drawn interest from several clubs, has reportedly received offers ranging from $3 million to $5 million.
The Melbourne Storm were open to releasing flyer Josh Addo-Carr from the remainder of his deal after season 2020 but that too could change.
Until NRL clubs have a clear understanding of where they are placed financially most will not continue talks with off-contract players.
A player manager told The Daily Telegraph that at one club, any deal that was open for discussion only seven days ago is now off the table.
“Recruitment managers are being sent home, they’re not doing any deals that were on the table last week. They’ve been told to close up shop until the uncertainty subsides,” he said.
Another player agent said players are concerned about how the coronavirus crisis will affect their job security.
“I’ve had players calling all week worried about how coronavirus will affect their negotiations, especially for the guys off contract at the end of this year. It might be a smart move for players to consider taking a small downgrade now because no one really knows how the salary cap is going to look even next year,” he said.
One club CEO urged the NRL to take a ‘prudent’ approach to registering any deal that might be struck considering the uncertain climate the game is in at the moment.
“You’ve got to stop negotiations. Clubs don’t know where they are going to be financially, they don’t know if the cap will be the same figure that it is, you don’t know what it’s going to look like,” he said.
“I’m not even sure the NRL would register your contract if you sent it in at the moment. It’s not prudent.
“The range of outcomes in this unprecedented situation is so extreme, it’s moving really fast. You couldn’t register say a million-a year contract, what if the season is abandoned and the CBA is torn up and we’re starting again.
“It’s unfair on the player, that’s the other point too. Players are understandably anxious, a worse crime would be giving them a false sense of security.”
While the RLPA has stressed a direct pay cut for players would be a final resort, Wests Tigers backrower Elijah Taylor said the entire NRL playing group would weather this tough period together.
“We are all in the same boat as players. We’re under the leadership of the RLPA and they have our best interests at heart and so we’re following their leadership. I’m sure they will come up with decisions that will benefit all players. You can’t just think about yourself, in these situations you’ve got to think about the rest of the players in the competition,” he said.
Elite sporting codes across the world have postponed their respective competitions as the coronavirus crisis escalates but the NRL has opted to play on.
The government’s banning of public gatherings mean games are being held without fans in the stands for the foreseeable future.
The NRL, under the guidance of the federal and state health officials, have placed clubs under strict protocols, like self isolation, to help protect players from the threat of the virus.
With 182 players without a contract beyond this season, 182 more off-contract after that and no guarantees for the game’s finances, NRL clubs are facing unprecedented uncertainty in securing players’ futures.
Fatima Kdouh, The Daily Telegraph
Subscriber only
|
March 19, 2020 8:20pm
Close
NRL clubs have halted negotiations with off-contract players as the uncertainty surrounding the impact of the coronavirus on the game deepens.
There are about 182 players without deals beyond this season.
There are 183 more players who will come off contract at the end of season 2021.
Under the CBA, next season’s salary cap was supposed to increase by $100,000 to $9.9 million.
But with the competition now operating on a week-to-week basis, any suspension or cancellation of the season would be “catastrophic”, according to ARLC chairman Peter V’landys.
“The losses we would sustain, we can’t sustain,’’ V’landys said on Thursday.
Players might be forced to wear some of the losses because of a clause in their CBA which allows the NRL to decrease the salary cap and other benefits if the game experiences a decrease in revenue in any year of the agreement.
The precariousness of the situation is also likely to impact some of the most high-profile off-contract players like Brisbane Broncos boom forward David Fifita and St George Illawarra forward Tyson Frizell.
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Fifita, who has drawn interest from several clubs, has reportedly received offers ranging from $3 million to $5 million.
The Melbourne Storm were open to releasing flyer Josh Addo-Carr from the remainder of his deal after season 2020 but that too could change.
Until NRL clubs have a clear understanding of where they are placed financially most will not continue talks with off-contract players.
A player manager told The Daily Telegraph that at one club, any deal that was open for discussion only seven days ago is now off the table.
“Recruitment managers are being sent home, they’re not doing any deals that were on the table last week. They’ve been told to close up shop until the uncertainty subsides,” he said.
Another player agent said players are concerned about how the coronavirus crisis will affect their job security.
“I’ve had players calling all week worried about how coronavirus will affect their negotiations, especially for the guys off contract at the end of this year. It might be a smart move for players to consider taking a small downgrade now because no one really knows how the salary cap is going to look even next year,” he said.
One club CEO urged the NRL to take a ‘prudent’ approach to registering any deal that might be struck considering the uncertain climate the game is in at the moment.
“You’ve got to stop negotiations. Clubs don’t know where they are going to be financially, they don’t know if the cap will be the same figure that it is, you don’t know what it’s going to look like,” he said.
“I’m not even sure the NRL would register your contract if you sent it in at the moment. It’s not prudent.
“The range of outcomes in this unprecedented situation is so extreme, it’s moving really fast. You couldn’t register say a million-a year contract, what if the season is abandoned and the CBA is torn up and we’re starting again.
“It’s unfair on the player, that’s the other point too. Players are understandably anxious, a worse crime would be giving them a false sense of security.”
While the RLPA has stressed a direct pay cut for players would be a final resort, Wests Tigers backrower Elijah Taylor said the entire NRL playing group would weather this tough period together.
“We are all in the same boat as players. We’re under the leadership of the RLPA and they have our best interests at heart and so we’re following their leadership. I’m sure they will come up with decisions that will benefit all players. You can’t just think about yourself, in these situations you’ve got to think about the rest of the players in the competition,” he said.
Elite sporting codes across the world have postponed their respective competitions as the coronavirus crisis escalates but the NRL has opted to play on.
The government’s banning of public gatherings mean games are being held without fans in the stands for the foreseeable future.
The NRL, under the guidance of the federal and state health officials, have placed clubs under strict protocols, like self isolation, to help protect players from the threat of the virus.
My 2 year old did that the other day and he is fine. I’m not though - I nearly had a heart attack!
Not suggesting she’ll be right GE. Suggesting a more targeted method with less mindless panic whereby there might be something left for the survivors of this.Which won’t be much the way this is going. It’s as if the future is of no consequence in this equation in the pursuit of “flattening the curve” I wonder how many people had even heard of that term till a week ago but now the curve is god..
There are two sides to this.I have traded financial markets for 35 years and this is as close as I have seen to total financial Armageddon in all that time so people need to be very aware of the incredible personal, emotional and financial cost and lives lost to depression that awaits the healthy majority in all of this if only the vulnerable are included in the equation.30 per cent unemployment is not out of the question. Good luck with that.
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Mate I'm not sure which of the measures the govt has taken you think are mindless panic? Are you opposed to the idea of social distancing and other measures aimed at trying to slow the spread of the disease?
Not at all. I am careful.Simply saying the threat is exaggerated by social media ( look at the HINI figures which decimated YOUNG people)which motivates the fools to behave like fools and does not stack up in any way re past pandemics and the result is financial destruction and broken lives which will make this look like a walk in the park. Flattening the curve is not the only consideration. As someone who has traded markets for a long time I don’t think people quite realise what we are in for if this madness continues. That WILL be Armageddon. Imagine 30 per cent unemployment and you may be close.My friends in insolvency firms are already saying this is the single greatest threat they have ever seen.
The panic is not solely driven by government here, although they’ve done there bit with there mixed messages and ass covering ,it’s driven by ****ing idiots who belt old ladies in shopping centres , people travelling to bush towns to clean out stores and thereby spread the virus, people who hoard toilet paper and essentials and people who endanger others by cleaning out ventilin supplies. If that ain’t mindless panic then I’ll give it away. And it is fed by social media and mainstream media at the expense of logic.
We have 9000 people dead , mostly elderly and are on the verge of a global depression. If people don’t understand that they had better start.
Wake me up when it reaches 500 000 dead worldwide and sixty million infected in the US ( mostly young) like in 2009 with little economic effect.
It’s just crazy. And the reason. Facebook Twitter etc was not around in any meaningful way. Simple as that.
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Blaming the panic on the ignorant people who are panicking doesn't point any way forward. The public panic buying to me indicates a real fear among sections of the community, and that fear in all likelihood is due to ignorance of the facts, and/or mistrust in the information that has been circulating?
I may have missed it but my memory is that until the last week or two the govt has preferred to remain mostly silent on Covid 19. If not actively downplaying the potential impact in this country
Couldn’t the govt have substantially allayed a lot of those fears by giving us all some plain if unpalatable information a month or two ago to get us prepared?
Or maybe I just missed it? In which case maybe someone can post links (!) to any Scomo announcements calmly and in plain language explaining things such as: how many of us are likely to catch the virus? How quickly will it spread here in Australia? What if anything can we do to slow that? Should we restrict travel? How sick will most of us get? How long will we be sick? How many will die and who is most at risk? Who should get tested? Do we have enough test kits? How long can people be infected without having any symptoms? Are there enough ICU beds in our hospitals for those who will need intensive care? Can unborn babies be affected? Infants? If we get sick and recover, can we get sick again? Will survivors nevertheless suffer permanent damage such as lung scarring? If we get sick and have to stay home from work will we get paid??
I’ve heard so many snippets of information, and guesses, and plenty of patently incorrect opinions about all those questions from a whole range of sources! So really its little wonder to me that we are seeing fear and the dangerous panic buying, from enough people that of course only makes things so much worse.
I agree with you that the economic consequences are quite likely to be more dire and last longer than the sickness. Nevertheless getting on top of the sickness as quickly as possible seems like the best way to deal with that?
I may have missed it but my memory is that until the last week or two the govt has preferred to remain mostly silent on Covid 19. If not actively downplaying the potential impact in this country
Couldn’t the govt have substantially allayed a lot of those fears by giving us all some plain if unpalatable information a month or two ago to get us prepared?
Or maybe I just missed it? In which case maybe someone can post links (!) to any Scomo announcements calmly and in plain language explaining things such as: how many of us are likely to catch the virus? How quickly will it spread here in Australia? What if anything can we do to slow that? Should we restrict travel? How sick will most of us get? How long will we be sick? How many will die and who is most at risk? Who should get tested? Do we have enough test kits? How long can people be infected without having any symptoms? Are there enough ICU beds in our hospitals for those who will need intensive care? Can unborn babies be affected? Infants? If we get sick and recover, can we get sick again? Will survivors nevertheless suffer permanent damage such as lung scarring? If we get sick and have to stay home from work will we get paid??
I’ve heard so many snippets of information, and guesses, and plenty of patently incorrect opinions about all those questions from a whole range of sources! So really its little wonder to me that we are seeing fear and the dangerous panic buying, from enough people that of course only makes things so much worse.
I agree with you that the economic consequences are quite likely to be more dire and last longer than the sickness. Nevertheless getting on top of the sickness as quickly as possible seems like the best way to deal with that?
Oh, and aside from ignorance, another cause of the panic buying could be people believing that they simply can't afford to get sick because they just don't trust that they would be looked after!
All good points SE. I suppose whst im saying is I don’t think the general population has any idea what is guaranteed to happen with a lockdown approach. Global depression, economic and social nightmare.
I guess each individual needs to balance the economic risks against the Heath risks and it will be a while before the economic nightmare really sinks in. Get ready because unless there is a change of approach or a vaccine very soon this country is done for.
All I’m saying is fully protect the weak , not the healthy masses and you may have a job in a months time.
BTW read about Qld Uni and the use of existing aids and malaria medicine. That’s the way they’ll sort this in my opinion and it may come very soon as the drugs are already approved for use. China used them and I’m willing to bet a lot of money that’s the reason behind only a couple of thousand out of 1.2 billion died. The first five cases on Gold Coast were treated with aids drugs after the patients told doctors their friends in China were taking the drugs.Full trial in 50 hospitals right now. Only problem ironically is they don’t have enough hospitalised cases for the trials. Go figure.And fat Clive Palmer gave them a million to kick off.
His name is a Dr Patterson. Regarded as a genius apparently.Gave a very confident radio interview this morning.
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You may be right but I'm not sure how to protect the weak without slowing the spread as much as possible. If we avoid the sharp 'curve' then that's the best chance for our health services to be able to help those who need most help. China (maybe) is showing signs of coming out the other side? But certainly I share your fears about global depression and social upheaval.
On a side note, I'll be interested to see how far the NRL keeps going, I didn't think they'd make it this far. In terms of TV viewing, the Dogs and Cows game was no more nor less boring than it would have been with people there!
On a side note, I'll be interested to see how far the NRL keeps going, I didn't think they'd make it this far. In terms of TV viewing, the Dogs and Cows game was no more nor less boring than it would have been with people there!
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